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Jack Bauer · 10-19-2007, 02:55 PM

Issue: Reserve Availability List – Management would like to know that if this list is generated for viewing, if there would be a problem with having the pilots name on the list along side his/her order of call out. The groups consensus was that there would not be a problem with this. The report will be given back to Management.
Outcome: The names of the respective pilots on reserve are still not listed for a given reserve day. Why is this? The pilots have overwhelmingly wanted and asked for it and here it appears even Sapa and management agree on it. Did somebody change their mind? What is the holdup? The reason for the names not being made available to reservists is unknown at this time.

Issue: Appendix D
Outcome: “There is no new progress on Appendix D solutions and at present, we are not discussing it with Management. As was reported in previous SAPA meeting minutes, SAPA and Management have yet to agree on a viable solution.” The above is from the May Sapa meeting minutes and appears to be the last time it was formally addressed.
This one simple policy change attempt has consumed many, many hours and yet all we have gained to this point is that F.A.’s are no longer required to sign. Why can this issue never seem to be resolved? Why, when we have given so many concessions in the past couple years haven’t we received a serious resolution to this procedure? Here are a few excerpts from Sapa meeting minutes regarding this issue. Many more occurred before these and probably many more will be seen in the months to come. Other meetings regarding appendix D are listed below. Many other meetings make no mention of Appendix D at all. If we are using this as an example of Sapa’s effectiveness, how would you rate them? What are they doing at all these meetings?! (Any later change had nothing to do with Sapa).

SAPA MEETING MINUTES
February 27, 2002

Appendix D “There are many variables and factors that play into this issue and only some were discussed at this meeting. Further discussion will ensue at the next SAPA meeting.”

SAPA MEETING MINUTES
March 27, 2002

Appendix D “Discussion with Management on this issue has ensued but with no resolution. The Executive Board will meet with Management for resolution.”

SAPA MEETING MINUTES
July 23, 2002

Appendix D – “Start discussion on possible solutions: deferred.”

SAPA General Meeting Minutes
September 5-6, 2002

Appendix D - SP 317.7.6.A vs. SP318.6 – “A company representative suggests that a conflict may exist between the two policies. SAPA agrees unanimously not to address this issue: 12 In Favor, 3 Absent.”

SAPA MEETING MINUTES
March 20-21, 2003

Appendix D – “Discussion took place as to the feasibility of going to an electronic submission. It is obvious that the Flight Attendant should not have to sign the Appendix D since it is the pilots that have sole control over flight times. Either the CA or the FO should be signing the Appendix D.”
SAPA MEETING AGENDA
April 8, 2003

Appendix D – “More discussion on Appendix D resolutions took place. In short, the general consensus of the group is that we continue to press for the implementation of a program that allows for pilots to enter the 000I times into the computer and then send the times to SGU”
SAPA MEETING MINUTES
May 14 & 15, 2003
Palm Springs, California
Appendix D – “There is no new progress on Appendix D solutions and at present, we are not discussing it with Management. As was reported in previous SAPA meeting minutes, SAPA and Management have yet to agree on a viable solution.”

Issue: It is SAPA’s desire to have a Crewmember Policy Manual that supercedes the Company Policy Manual.
Outcome: “SAPA reps Tony Fizer, Jeff Soper and John Wangensteen met to commence work on separating the Crewmember Policy Manual from the Company Policy Manual. Tony reported that in two days they were able to get through the entire manual and found that they were not comfortable with giving up practically any of the policies in our manual to the Company Policy Manual. Discussion in the next flight ops. meeting will reveal the next step that needs to be taken, if any, regarding this project.” Why are we talking about giving anything up? Help me understand???! Is there a planned deadline to have this finished or is it now officially a dead issue? Minutes regarding this subject over the last year are listed below. You tell me how effective Tony Fizer, a guy who flies the line maybe once a month, is doing at getting this done?

SAPA General Meeting Minutes
September 5-6, 2002
Creation of pilot only policy manual - SAPA supports adherence to the Pilot Policy Manual for pilot-specific issues. SAPA proposes an agreement with Flight Ops management regarding separation of the two manuals, and a statement to that effect including a timeline by 10/01/02.

SAPA MEETING AGENDA
October 17, 2002
Creation of pilot only policy manual - SAPA is adamant that the Crewmember Policy Manual be recognized as the manual that supercedes all other Company manuals with respect to pilots. SAPA has also indicated to Management our desires to split off from InFlight and creating two separate and distinct manuals.

SAPA MEETING MINUTES
January 9-10, 2003
Creation of pilot only policy manual - Work will commence shortly on the identification and subsequent segregation of flight attendant policy from the Crewmember Policy Manual.

SAPA MEETING MINUTES
February 13, 2003
Creation of pilot only policy manual – Progress on these projects has been slow due to time constraints. These items are considered to be high priority and SAPA will continue to make as much progress as possible in the coming months.

SAPA MEETING MINUTES
March 20-21, 2003
Los Angeles, California

Creation of pilot only policy manual - Due to time constraints over the past months, a new time line was established for completion of these SP rewrites.

SAPA MEETING MINUTES
May 14 & 15, 2003
Palm Springs, California
Creation of pilot only policy manual - Time constraints have hampered our efforts to initiate work and progress on this issue.

SAPA MEETING MINUTES
June 25 & 26, 2003
Creation of Pilot Only Policy Manual - Management, SAPA and SIA will commence work on the splitting of the Crewmember Policy Manual and the Company Policy Manual.
SAPA MEETING MINUTES
August 6th & 7th, 2003
Creation of Pilot Only Policy Manual - SAPA reps Tony Fizer, Jeff Soper and John Wangensteen met to commence work on separating the Crewmember Policy Manual from the Company Policy Manual. Tony reported that in two days they were able to get through the entire manual and found that they were not comfortable with giving up practically any of the policies in our manual to the Company Policy Manual. Discussion in the next flight ops. meeting will reveal the next step that needs to be taken, if any, regarding this project. Where is this going? Will this ever be completed?

10-19-2007, 02:55 PM	#4 (permalink)
Jack Bauer Gets Weekends Off Joined APC: Jun 2007 Posts: 113	Issue: Reserve Availability List – Management would like to know that if this list is generated for viewing, if there would be a problem with having the pilots name on the list along side his/her order of call out. The groups consensus was that there would not be a problem with this. The report will be given back to Management. Outcome: The names of the respective pilots on reserve are still not listed for a given reserve day. Why is this? The pilots have overwhelmingly wanted and asked for it and here it appears even Sapa and management agree on it. Did somebody change their mind? What is the holdup? The reason for the names not being made available to reservists is unknown at this time. Issue: Appendix D Outcome: “There is no new progress on Appendix D solutions and at present, we are not discussing it with Management. As was reported in previous SAPA meeting minutes, SAPA and Management have yet to agree on a viable solution.” The above is from the May Sapa meeting minutes and appears to be the last time it was formally addressed. This one simple policy change attempt has consumed many, many hours and yet all we have gained to this point is that F.A.’s are no longer required to sign. Why can this issue never seem to be resolved? Why, when we have given so many concessions in the past couple years haven’t we received a serious resolution to this procedure? Here are a few excerpts from Sapa meeting minutes regarding this issue. Many more occurred before these and probably many more will be seen in the months to come. Other meetings regarding appendix D are listed below. Many other meetings make no mention of Appendix D at all. If we are using this as an example of Sapa’s effectiveness, how would you rate them? What are they doing at all these meetings?! (Any later change had nothing to do with Sapa). SAPA MEETING MINUTES February 27, 2002 Appendix D “There are many variables and factors that play into this issue and only some were discussed at this meeting. Further discussion will ensue at the next SAPA meeting.” SAPA MEETING MINUTES March 27, 2002 Appendix D “Discussion with Management on this issue has ensued but with no resolution. The Executive Board will meet with Management for resolution.” SAPA MEETING MINUTES July 23, 2002 Appendix D – “Start discussion on possible solutions: deferred.” SAPA General Meeting Minutes September 5-6, 2002 Appendix D - SP 317.7.6.A vs. SP318.6 – “A company representative suggests that a conflict may exist between the two policies. SAPA agrees unanimously not to address this issue: 12 In Favor, 3 Absent.” SAPA MEETING MINUTES March 20-21, 2003 Appendix D – “Discussion took place as to the feasibility of going to an electronic submission. It is obvious that the Flight Attendant should not have to sign the Appendix D since it is the pilots that have sole control over flight times. Either the CA or the FO should be signing the Appendix D.” SAPA MEETING AGENDA April 8, 2003 Appendix D – “More discussion on Appendix D resolutions took place. In short, the general consensus of the group is that we continue to press for the implementation of a program that allows for pilots to enter the 000I times into the computer and then send the times to SGU” SAPA MEETING MINUTES May 14 & 15, 2003 Palm Springs, California Appendix D – “There is no new progress on Appendix D solutions and at present, we are not discussing it with Management. As was reported in previous SAPA meeting minutes, SAPA and Management have yet to agree on a viable solution.” Issue: It is SAPA’s desire to have a Crewmember Policy Manual that supercedes the Company Policy Manual. Outcome: “SAPA reps Tony Fizer, Jeff Soper and John Wangensteen met to commence work on separating the Crewmember Policy Manual from the Company Policy Manual. Tony reported that in two days they were able to get through the entire manual and found that they were not comfortable with giving up practically any of the policies in our manual to the Company Policy Manual. Discussion in the next flight ops. meeting will reveal the next step that needs to be taken, if any, regarding this project.” Why are we talking about giving anything up? Help me understand???! Is there a planned deadline to have this finished or is it now officially a dead issue? Minutes regarding this subject over the last year are listed below. You tell me how effective Tony Fizer, a guy who flies the line maybe once a month, is doing at getting this done? SAPA General Meeting Minutes September 5-6, 2002 Creation of pilot only policy manual - SAPA supports adherence to the Pilot Policy Manual for pilot-specific issues. SAPA proposes an agreement with Flight Ops management regarding separation of the two manuals, and a statement to that effect including a timeline by 10/01/02. SAPA MEETING AGENDA October 17, 2002 Creation of pilot only policy manual - SAPA is adamant that the Crewmember Policy Manual be recognized as the manual that supercedes all other Company manuals with respect to pilots. SAPA has also indicated to Management our desires to split off from InFlight and creating two separate and distinct manuals. SAPA MEETING MINUTES January 9-10, 2003 Creation of pilot only policy manual - Work will commence shortly on the identification and subsequent segregation of flight attendant policy from the Crewmember Policy Manual. SAPA MEETING MINUTES February 13, 2003 Creation of pilot only policy manual – Progress on these projects has been slow due to time constraints. These items are considered to be high priority and SAPA will continue to make as much progress as possible in the coming months. SAPA MEETING MINUTES March 20-21, 2003 Los Angeles, California Creation of pilot only policy manual - Due to time constraints over the past months, a new time line was established for completion of these SP rewrites. SAPA MEETING MINUTES May 14 & 15, 2003 Palm Springs, California Creation of pilot only policy manual - Time constraints have hampered our efforts to initiate work and progress on this issue. SAPA MEETING MINUTES June 25 & 26, 2003 Creation of Pilot Only Policy Manual - Management, SAPA and SIA will commence work on the splitting of the Crewmember Policy Manual and the Company Policy Manual. SAPA MEETING MINUTES August 6th & 7th, 2003 Creation of Pilot Only Policy Manual - SAPA reps Tony Fizer, Jeff Soper and John Wangensteen met to commence work on separating the Crewmember Policy Manual from the Company Policy Manual. Tony reported that in two days they were able to get through the entire manual and found that they were not comfortable with giving up practically any of the policies in our manual to the Company Policy Manual. Discussion in the next flight ops. meeting will reveal the next step that needs to be taken, if any, regarding this project. Where is this going? Will this ever be completed?