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Old 07-12-2008, 10:07 AM   #18 (permalink)
Shamrock23
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Well, I'm from Europe too and you're totally wrong when you say the only reason Turkey is kept out is "because is is a Muslim country.” Some 90% of Albanians are Muslims too and they're already applying for the EU membership yet no one seems to be protesting. I've lived in 4 different European countries and from my perspective the vast majority of people I'd talked to disagree with your sentiment.
Albania has about 3 million people, compared to the 70 million people in Turkey which would put it right up there with France and Germany. Any poll I have ever read about shows that most Europeans are against Turkey joining. You tell me the reason so? They are a developed country, have a good economy, a large military. So then what is the real reason? If you look at some of the countries they have left join, Turkey is in a much better situation than many of them.

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So who is it or rather, which country’s leadership needs to "change their close minded agenda"? Is it Germany and France or are you talking about Ireland? Also, is that truly a "close minded agenda" or does it simply differ from your "wide-open minded agenda"?

Yes Germany and France want it there way or no way. The idea of having a union is that everybody has a voice.

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You are correct that the Irish were the only ones to vote on the new "semi-constitution" and they also rejected it. According to the polls most Irish felt, among many other things, that the EU was expanding too fast and that it should put the expansion plans on hold for the foreseeable future; so are you saying the Irish are close minded now?
Maybe? but then the French and Dutch must have been close minded in 2005 when they voted basically the same thing down. But that is what is great about the European Union, they will figure a way out to get this through somehow. Did you ever think that maybe people think that Europe is trying to become something that it will never be. European military? what is that a joke? Europe needs to take a good look at what is happening to NATO in Afghanistan right now. The same thing would happen if a European country was ever attacked, some countries would do something about it and some will stand by. They can barely manage to get helicopters for there peacekeeping mission in Chad right now.

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Interesting... So I guess the Europeans don't want to let Turkey in because "they are Muslim" yet you don't think Mexico would "add anything" because... they are all Catholics? Right? You see, that's not logical either. Don't discount the view of the vast majority of Europeans (Gallup after Gallup) as “close minded” simply because their views are contrary to your personal beliefs.
For one USA and Europe are too completely different places. You tell me some good reasons why Turkey a developed modern country has received so much resistance when they have wanted to join the EU for the past 40 years and maybe I will change my mind.

There is no need for a North America union and that has nothing to do with religion. Cheap labor is always going to get into this country through legal and illegal immigration, America is already a superpower, so there would be no benefits to a union. If Mexico had an economy that was somewhat close to America and Canada then maybe it would be a good idea, but even then I don't see any benefits. The idea of the European Union was that they are mostly smaller countries and to act as one would make them stronger.
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