yes its an ils loc and vor. where does the timed approach come in? is it just a dive and drive? i understand the pie. i use my hand for left and right turns and that helps. it also helps to draw a picture. ive been told i dont have to understand the entry to perfection until i go for the double I or the atp. i have plenty of plates to look at and i will start going at that in earnest. however the minor details of the information provided seems to make all the difference and that can prove frustrating at times.