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Originally Posted by FORTL
Seems some contradiction in your post. "If we were all one union" followed by "...better people, better pilots..".
The latter attitude prevents the pre-supposition from ever happening.
I know several very good pilots flying various equipment (BE350 thru B767) for various companies. I wouldn't judge their skills, or quality as human beings using your metrics.
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I am sorry I suppose the sarcasm got over looked there. My point is they are no different than anyone one else with mouths to feed and bills to pay but the RAH pilots will be looked down on because of this whole debacle which was by no means created by the RAH pilots.
PS: there will never be one pilot union, that opportunity is long past. It would of saved a lot of headaches and given the pilots the control they need over their careers though, wouldn't that of been nice.
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Originally Posted by Flyboydan
MW??? You mean YX right?
Anyhow, there are no shareholders that Midwest (I meanTPG/NWA management) mangement have to please as the airline was taken private 1 year ago. TPG/NWA had failed to do anything, not even drop a penny in the poor bucket until now. They have allowed their $500 Million, keep AirTran away fund, to fail because they don't really care.
As for giving the Midwest flight crews a fair deal to fly the EMB-170 is what YX management did back at the start of summer. They told them to accept a paycut of 45-65% which would pound them smack dab in the RJ pilot payscale. The Midwest crews have flat out told them screw you.
Wait, you want to stick our friendly outstanding YX crews with 88 seat RJ pay scales because it was their fault they took the job??!! Midwest management is reponsible for the flying a 717 will 20 fewer seats than standard. Don't blame the crews one second!
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Thanks for updating me on the two letter identifier.
No I don't want to stick our "friendly, outstanding" yx crews with rj rates. The fact remains they could be flying E-175's with 88 seats in them but instead they are flying B717's. The idea was nice but no longer prudent in today's market. I am by no means blaming the Midwest "YX" pilots for taking the job. While everyone continues to blame me for taking mine, how ironic?
No pilot should take even one concession in this fragile market, you and I have given enough all ready. Management/shareholders/consumers are going to have to carry the load this time. This will however mean fewer jobs, fewer flights and companies revamping their business plans. Does it suck, Yep!
Everyone likes to point out how RAH pilots fly for 50 seat rates, please direct me to your information. And please be real lets not get into the crap fo pay. Not one of these companies pays an FO enough.
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I'll direct you to the small narrow body pay comparison sheet.
Republic is very competitive in the 5 year captain mark and exceeds even Jet Blue and US Airways on the top end. Horizon is the only one paying more. When our current contract was negotiated we didn't have a single 70 seat aircraft on the property. But since I don't get junior assigned or have to sit hot reserve I am willing to take a little less home and enjoy my time off. They also fought for not getting whipsawed by our own certificates and bull**it like dry leasing airplanes, we'll have to see how that pans out.
I have no qualms with the Midwest folks they are great people as are the crews at republic. It is a shame that we are getting into business under these circumstances. I would have much rather seen it be a growth for both companies, who knows maybe there is a chance that Midwest can get back on their feet with this deal and once again everyone can make some money. P*s*ing on each other certainly won't get anything accomplished.