Originally Posted by Jetalc
Because one way you have a job, and the other way you don't. It's that simple. SWA has been headed the "wrong" way financially for the last couple of quarters, and there was every indication that every single F9 pilot would have been furloughed. It is my understanding that SWA is already overstaffed, and that the only intention behind SWA trying to aquire F9 was to get the gates and the dominance in DEN. Screw the pilots, screw the 1000+ flight attendants, rampers, gate agents, mechanics, etc. Getting "stapled" to the bottom of SWA's list would not have been a windfall for anyone except SWA. The higher pay rates are stellar, no doubt. Oh - except that EVERY F9 PILOT WOULD HAVE BEEN ON THE STREET!!! Why does nobody understand that?
There was no job protection, no seat protection. And the "pay protection?" Yeah, that doesn't apply to someone who's furloughed. At the outset, it seemed a very generous offer until you look at what the bid really means. Immediate furlough of 200+ F9 pilots, followed (possible/probably) by the furlough of the rest. How does that equate to a win/win? F9 was not in Chapter 13 - it was Chapter 11, which is a huge difference. F9 was not facing liquidation or "no jobs" if SWA didn't come in and "save the day."
I think SWA is simply ****ed because of the fact that they didn't get what they wanted, how they wanted it. I completely understand and respect the fact that SWAPA was looking out for its members - that is what it is supposed to do. All FAPA was doing was looking out for its members as well. FAPA didn't "sell out the junior pilots." FAPA actually preserved everyone's (and my) ability to pay their mortgage.
Sorry for the fragmented thoughts - there is just so much misinformation out there, mostly by people who don't know the facts. If you are one of those people, why don't you please just shut your pieholes? Thank you, and rant is over.
I love how you say to shut our pieholes without the facts, yet you are running your mouth based on rumor. The only fact that is true, is that there was no seat protection, THANK GOD. No offense, but I 100% do not agree with a captain from a bankrupt protected carrier deserves to be integrated to a healthy company, sorry! So, How do you know our only intention for Denver was to correct a pilot overstaffing ? Do you know the numbers at all? Last numbers I heard from Dallas was around 200. I hardly doubt our intention was to offset that number. But, yes it was to get gates and grow in Denver, I think everyone knows that. Look, you guys all think we wanted to furlough you all, when we had plans for line reductions and plans to protect every SWAPA pilot (which would have been former FAPA pilots). What a lot of folks do not know is FAPA also wanted $3000 a month for furloughees, FOREVER, plus medical coverage forever ???? Current SWAPA guys do not even get those benefits. So, NO, not every pilot at FAPA would have been furloughed, and I think the potential for the currently furloughed had a good chance of being recalled. I personally do not think it was a complete win for you guys, but when you balance your chance of job protection with SWA compared to bankruptcy and chances with a regional, I think guys are confused as to the path you have chosen is all. The rest of the crap on here is retarded. We will continue to grow in Denver and find other ways. We haven't been competing against Frontier much in Denver, and I imagine that is about to change. We completely respect that FAPA has done what they thought was best for you, as did SWAPA for us. So once again check your facts as well before you open your pie hole dude!