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Age 65 Rule Dec 13, 2007: Age 60 is now 65

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Old 04-20-2007, 09:09 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Hey guys the greedy geezers (GG) are going to blitz washington may 1-3, I have some guys that are going on a reverse blitz from my count there will be between 20-30 of us and we will follow the geezers, to show the senators that this is bull****, everyone they see we will also see. If you don't want to get screwed in the for the next five years stand up now!!!!

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Old 04-21-2007, 03:31 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Where are you signing people up?
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Old 04-21-2007, 08:27 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Andy,

I've got a website in the works to organize this kind of stuff; it should be up within a week.
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Hey guys the greedy geezers (GG) are going to blitz washington may 1-3, I have some guys that are going on a reverse blitz from my count there will be between 20-30 of us and we will follow the geezers, to show the senators that this is bull****, everyone they see we will also see. If you don't want to get screwed in the for the next five years stand up now!!!!

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So what will be your argument? That you are greedy gen x'ers ? So you are more deserving? Age discrimnation is age discrimnation.

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Old 04-21-2007, 09:44 PM   #5 (permalink)
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How about that we are JUST AS deserving of advancement as the geezers who rose up because of Age 60 but now want it to go away?

We're not claiming we are better, we just want the same playing field.
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The same playing field is that the majority of upgrades are due to expansion, not attrition. ALPA had 18000 members in 1978, over 66000 today. There was no "regional" airline industry to speak of then--the local service carriers were the equivalent then--the industry has gotten bigger--yet many of the pilots retiring now have had to start over after their airlines went out of business during the upheavals caused by deregulation which continue to this day.
You go back to a regulated industry where all aspects of the industry are regulated by the government including, salaries, and guranteed pensions then maybe you would have a case for retaining the age 60 rule, however if you go back to an industry like that I'll show you one that is vastly smaller than it is now.

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The same playing field is that the majority of upgrades are due to expansion, not attrition. ALPA had 18000 members in 1978, over 66000 today. There was no "regional" airline industry to speak of then--the local service carriers were the equivalent then--the industry has gotten bigger--yet many of the pilots retiring now have had to start over after their airlines went out of business during the upheavals caused by deregulation which continue to this day.
You go back to a regulated industry where all aspects of the industry are regulated by the government including, salaries, and guranteed pensions then maybe you would have a case for retaining the age 60 rule, however if you go back to an industry like that I'll show you one that is vastly smaller than it is now.

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Deregulation...um 1978? So almost 30 later you want to change the rules? Where were the Eastern, Braniff, and Pan Am guys screaming for this change when they went under? They weren't because bad luck, timing, or poor life decisions are part of life. If you want a guaranteed pension, go work for the government!
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....because bad luck, timing, or poor life decisions are part of life.
And you had the bad timing to be a newbie when age 65 comes to pass. Tuff freakin luck. Boo Hoo!
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Go ahead; you'll be doing the geezers (I'm one, so I can say that) a big favor. A bunch of youngsters whining that they can't get the seat they think they deserve will look really good next to a bunch of older guys who have gotten their retirement stolen and can't even collect SS until two years after they're forced into retirement. Who do you think the general public will identify with? Have fun out there

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Hey guys the greedy geezers (GG) are going to blitz washington may 1-3, I have some guys that are going on a reverse blitz from my count there will be between 20-30 of us and we will follow the geezers, to show the senators that this is bull****, everyone they see we will also see. If you don't want to get screwed in the for the next five years stand up now!!!!

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Old 04-22-2007, 06:23 PM   #10 (permalink)
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It's about the money on both sides, I just haven't heard many of the pro-65ers admitt that. If age discrimination is age discrimination, then fight to get rid of all of it, not just those age limits that effect you.

One last thought, remember, most infants are bald, have no teeth, and wear diapers and we don't let them in the cockpit either.
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