Roberto

... MEC meeting in Denver where ALPA's Prater spoke.

He was very blunt and told all in attendance that ALPA was going to lose the age 60 issue. Its supporters in Congress have told him that it will change. The Senate is going to put the rule change in this year's FAA spending bill and the House will be doing the same. ALPA's congressional supporters have told him that the "safety" issue is bogus and dead!

... He was quite blunt with those in attendance, mostly younger pilots. He reiterated that the 60 issue must be addressed NOW. He indicated by his choice of words that no matter the survey's outcome, the BOD must face reality and change the ALPA constitution. It is hoped that this will be done by Memorial Day so that ALPA can be involved in the law that is going to be passed this year.

... This issue is also erroding congressional support for ALPA.

TonyC

If you have such a low opinion of the organization that you resort to third-grade dog food name calling, why do you care about their position or the position or opinion of their President?






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org1

Maybe they left him hanging in the wind like they have so many of us; but he realizes they DO have a certain amount of political pull?

nightrider

translation,

In other words, the position you guys voted on in the survey doesn't suit me so I will just change the bylaws to suit me. If prader does this then he should be immediately recalled.

This guy is a total p.o.s.

nightrider

HSLD

The FAA is making the rule (NOT ALPA) and it is the FAA that's intent on changing the rule. While ALPA can voice concerns of "affected parties" this is not section 6 negotiations with an airline. A new mandatory retirement age for airline pilots will happen and ALPA may have the opportunity to help mold the rule.

ALPA faces a problem though, there is currently no verbiage in the bylaws to serve as guidance in the event that a change to the rule IS going imminent.

So the question is this:

Does ALPA as an organization ignore the fact that the FAA is going to change the rule, and simply repeat "we're against this" and live with the resulting rule? Or, change the bylaws that allow the officers to participate in the rule-making to help shape a rule that represents ALPA pilot interests?

This rule is being fast tracked and there is reportedly a Senate Bill that will be introduced next week, with a House version to follow. The FAA NPRM is going to happen fast, and it appears that this rule is going to happen.

ALPA is going to have to make a decision, as an institution, as to whether or not it wants a seat at the table. That's what I hear Prater saying.

TonyC

Incorrect translation. Are you a Jelly Donut?


You should take some time to inform yourself before jumping to such a foolish conclusion. Capt Prater cannot just change the by-laws. You can read the Constitution and By-Laws on the ALPA website so that you can gain a better appreciation for the process.

The Age 60 Rule Policy can be changed by the Executive Board, or the Board of Directors. Both democratically-elected bodies represent the pilots of ALPA (the Executive Board represents the MECs (consists of MEC Chairmen), and the Board of Directors represents the LECs (consists of the Status Reps)), and their approval would be required to change ALPA Policy. Contact your Reps with your concerns.




Oh, and it's not a vote -- it's an opinion poll.




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angry tanker

The fact is that the union can still require an age 60 requirement in the contracts. Look at the lawsuit in Germany were a Captain sued for age discrimination. The court ruled that even though the age limit was 65, the union (his union) required an age 60 retirement. Let the civil war begin...

org1

This is not Germany.

Albief15

But since we are rolling along with ICAO we might as well be.

Hey...when's the next train to Dachau? Are we going to follow their examples of human rights? Perhaps we should model our military after the highly elite and impressive French forces.

On the other hand--the Danes do have raising up good lookin' women down. We NEED a department of Scandinavian women to help with our own stock.