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I can't believe this. It's not fair. Steal what little the regional pilots have left--hope of maybe one day having a better QOL.
No offense to anyone out there...but if there is a SINGLE accident where an over-60 captain is involved (even if the FO is under 60), I am doing everything possible to make sure every one and their mom knows about it.
The senate already voted. It goes to the house next. The pres can veto, but is not expected to. Expect another 5 year delay in your career. It will have the same effect as 9/11 to some. Hiring with stop for 5 years, unless you want to fly for Mesa.
I believe the house passed it, but it has not gone to the senate yet. But it will soon, and they will pass it.
It looks like it will take effect immediately, but there will be no retrocative effect...ie those who have already turned 65 will NOT get to return to their previous position. But they could interview, get rehired, and start over at the bottom if they really wanted to.
I do not expect a five year hiatus...I expect slowed hiring, and maybe the net effect will equivalent to a 2 year hiring freeze spread out over five years. Many old guys don't WANT to keep working, and many won't be able to pass the medical.
This could drive regional hiring mins back up to 1500/300 though. We can only hope.
I can't believe this. It's not fair. Steal what little the regional pilots have left--hope of maybe one day having a better QOL.
No offense to anyone out there...but if there is a SINGLE accident where an over-60 captain is involved (even if the FO is under 60), I am doing everything possible to make sure every one and their mom knows about it.
It's not fair in that certain older pilots benefited from age 60, and will now get to benefit from age 65.
But it is fair in that the original age 60 rule was created by corrupt politicians owned by the CEO of American Airlines (he didn't want to pay super-senior jet pilots). The basis for the original rule was management BS, and even if it was valid in 1950, we live a lot healthier today and can expect at least another five years of productivity.
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I'm sorry, but from my non-121 viewpoint, this whole arguement is ridiculous. You're taking some of the most experienced pilots, and safe pilots out of the cockpit. I flew with a few guys over 80 in my flight instructing days, and tell you what, every one of us can learn lessons from those folks. As far as turbojet ops, I'd think that most of their actions are slightly slower, but more accurate in the case of an emergency.
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No offense to anyone out there...but if there is a SINGLE accident where an over-60 captain is involved (even if the FO is under 60), I am doing everything possible to make sure every one and their mom knows about it.
Ok, so let's yank everyone under 30 from flying jets, if anyone under 30yrs old has a wreck. Come on', be a little more thoughtful in what you say, the same thing can be said for any age group if you want to play that game.
Honestly, with the Regionals upping the min's back to 1000+hrs would be great. Actually get people that have seen more in real-life situations, than just in their training environment.
Flame me if you will, but remember there are always two sides to any story. With the current rush of new-hires in the regionals anyways, I really don't see the problem of halting all progress with new folks getting jet-jobs. There are hardly any "qualified" people left to be hired, so maybe a slow-down would help out to replenish the supply of able and willing bodies for the next hiring rush.
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I'm sorry, but from my non-121 viewpoint, this whole arguement is ridiculous. You're taking some of the most experienced pilots, and safe pilots out of the cockpit. I flew with a few guys over 80 in my flight instructing days, and tell you what, every one of us can learn lessons from those folks. As far as turbojet ops, I'd think that most of their actions are slightly slower, but more accurate in the case of an emergency.
Ok, so let's yank everyone under 30 from flying jets, if anyone under 30yrs old has a wreck. Come on', be a little more thoughtful in what you say, the same thing can be said for any age group if you want to play that game.
Honestly, with the Regionals upping the min's back to 1000+hrs would be great. Actually get people that have seen more in real-life situations, than just in their training environment.
Flame me if you will, but remember there are always two sides to any story. With the current rush of new-hires in the regionals anyways, I really don't see the problem of halting all progress with new folks getting jet-jobs. There are hardly any "qualified" people left to be hired, so maybe a slow-down would help out to replenish the supply of able and willing bodies for the next hiring rush.
It's not so much about reaction times...those are measured every six months in the sim anyway.
It's about overall health, which is significant for two reasons:
1) Sudden Incapacitation. The older you get, the more likely that this will happen...many of the causes (ie aneuryism) can't be predicted without extremely expensive and invasive medical procedures. This is just a fact and no amount of arguing can get around it. The older you get, the higher the risk...what's the cutoff point? Hard to say, but I wouldn't want to go much older than 65.
2) Exhuastion: Older folks don't handle the stress of the road as well (redeyes, commutes, time zones, altitude, noise, chemicals, etc). A guy who could pass his medical and sim (with plenty of rest) might not perform so well after flying the rougher schedules for a few days. Most old (and usually senior) guys have the better schedules, but not all.
My dad is 67, and I know there's no way he could handle some of the schedules I fly...and he's in good health, eats right and exercises. He just get tired too easily.
I can't believe this. It's not fair. Steal what little the regional pilots have left--hope of maybe one day having a better QOL.
No offense to anyone out there...but if there is a SINGLE accident where an over-60 captain is involved (even if the FO is under 60), I am doing everything possible to make sure every one and their mom knows about it.
No offense, but if there is a single accident where the under 30 year old crew were acting like juvenile brats tearing up a playground and destroy a perfectly good airplane..... oops, (sorry Pinnacle) that already happened.
I'm sorry, but from my non-121 viewpoint, this whole arguement is ridiculous. You're taking some of the most experienced pilots, and safe pilots out of the cockpit.
How do you think they gained that experience? Oh yeah, they benifitted from age 60.
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