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Age 65 Rule Dec 13, 2007: Age 60 is now 65

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Old 12-12-2007, 07:10 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Thumbs up Apaad Update, We Won!!!

Senate passed HR 4343 by unanimous consent this evening at roughly 2145.

When Bush signs it, it's law.

Hayes, etc. will present it to White House tomorrow AM to try to get this signed
ASAP.

More info tomorrow.
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Old 12-12-2007, 07:15 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I will view this as a Loss, if it's alright by you.
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Old 12-12-2007, 07:45 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Default Time to call the White House

Repeat.........
caution Pres Bush on changing the rule without adopting the same medical standards Europe enacted to provide a safe system

The number to call and encourge a veto is:
202-456-1111

direct to the message center of the White House
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Old 12-12-2007, 07:52 PM   #4 (permalink)
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caution Pres Bush on changing the rule without adopting the same medical standards Europe enacted to provide a safe system

The number to call and encourge a veto is:
202-456-1111

direct to the message center of the White House
You must have failed a number of courses in high school.
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Old 12-12-2007, 08:04 PM   #5 (permalink)
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http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/...Retirement.php
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Old 12-12-2007, 08:20 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Sure, can't find news of it anywhere...
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Old 12-12-2007, 11:44 PM   #7 (permalink)
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You must have failed a number of courses in high school.
Classy. Good thing you're staying in the cockpit another 5 years.

FYI, this is from the APA:

ALLIED PILOTS ASSOCIATION URGES PRESIDENT BUSH TO VETO SPENDING BILL, PRESERVE AGE 60 RETIREMENT FOR AIRLINE PILOTS



Fort Worth, Texas (November 13, 2007)—The Allied Pilots Association (APA), representing the 12,000 pilots of American Airlines (NYSE: AMR), is urging President Bush to follow through with his stated intention of vetoing a transportation appropriations bill.

The spending bill includes language that would raise airline pilot retirement age to 65 from the current age 60 standard. Congress is expected to pass the bill sometime this week. The legislation will then go to the White House for final approval.

“By an overwhelming majority, our pilots support keeping retirement at age 60,” said APA President Captain Lloyd Hill. “They support the current mandatory retirement age based on numerous safety concerns, foremost among them pilot fatigue.”

Hill pointed out that the National Transportation Safety Board has linked pilot fatigue to 10 commercial aviation accidents since 1993 that killed 260 people. He also noted that the issue of pilot fatigue has generated significant public attention recently. An article in the Nov. 7, 2007 issue of USA Today reported that fatigue led hundreds of pilots, mechanics and air traffic controllers to make mistakes on the job, including six cases where pilots fell asleep in mid-flight. Pilots acknowledged that they “flew to the wrong altitude, botched landings and missed radio calls.”

Hill added that research by the Aerospace Medical Association has shown that older pilots have greater difficulty dealing with the physical demands of overnight flying and long flights across multiple time zones. The Federal Aviation Administration has conceded that older pilots’ accumulated experience does not compensate for the impact of fatigue on their performance.

“President Bush has cited cost concerns as the reason behind his plans to veto the transportation appropriations bill,” Hill said. “We agree the bill would prove costly—but not just in dollars and cents.”

APA plans to run newspaper advertising later this week that calls on airline passengers to make their voices heard. The union will recommend that travelers contact the White House to urge President Bush to follow through with his veto plans.

“We will let our passengers know that for safety’s sake, it’s the right thing to do,” he said.
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Classy. Good thing you're staying in the cockpit another 5 years.

FYI, this is from the APA:

ALLIED PILOTS ASSOCIATION URGES PRESIDENT BUSH TO VETO SPENDING BILL, PRESERVE AGE 60 RETIREMENT FOR AIRLINE PILOTS



Fort Worth, Texas (November 13, 2007)—The Allied Pilots Association (APA), representing the 12,000 pilots of American Airlines (NYSE: AMR), is urging President Bush to follow through with his stated intention of vetoing a transportation appropriations bill.

The spending bill includes language that would raise airline pilot retirement age to 65 from the current age 60 standard. Congress is expected to pass the bill sometime this week. The legislation will then go to the White House for final approval.

“By an overwhelming majority, our pilots support keeping retirement at age 60,” said APA President Captain Lloyd Hill. “They support the current mandatory retirement age based on numerous safety concerns, foremost among them pilot fatigue.”

Hill pointed out that the National Transportation Safety Board has linked pilot fatigue to 10 commercial aviation accidents since 1993 that killed 260 people. He also noted that the issue of pilot fatigue has generated significant public attention recently. An article in the Nov. 7, 2007 issue of USA Today reported that fatigue led hundreds of pilots, mechanics and air traffic controllers to make mistakes on the job, including six cases where pilots fell asleep in mid-flight. Pilots acknowledged that they “flew to the wrong altitude, botched landings and missed radio calls.”

Hill added that research by the Aerospace Medical Association has shown that older pilots have greater difficulty dealing with the physical demands of overnight flying and long flights across multiple time zones. The Federal Aviation Administration has conceded that older pilots’ accumulated experience does not compensate for the impact of fatigue on their performance.

“President Bush has cited cost concerns as the reason behind his plans to veto the transportation appropriations bill,” Hill said. “We agree the bill would prove costly—but not just in dollars and cents.”

APA plans to run newspaper advertising later this week that calls on airline passengers to make their voices heard. The union will recommend that travelers contact the White House to urge President Bush to follow through with his veto plans.

“We will let our passengers know that for safety’s sake, it’s the right thing to do,” he said.
I hope all those APA members stick to their guns when they find out the Captain or F/O on the flight they want to jumpseat on is age 60+. I feel it would be my duty to inform them and suggest that they make other travel arrangements.
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Old 12-13-2007, 04:22 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Those staying 5 more years- good luck if the medical standards stay as "fair" as what has been smoothed by the house and senate... Just the thought of what your bloodwork would look like get you worried?

Work 5 more years- it won't be enough for those on the broke side of part 121 or the rich/greedy/got nothing better to do or anyone to do it with side.

When will it be 67 or 70 or unlimited by age that you lobby for next? Nice- you work to death, your kids and ex's get to spend it or it goes to taxes. Your company thanks you- no pension to pay out to you, if they haven't already disolved it. Thanks for almost pulling us all down with you.

It won't be enough for you, that's all that is certain. Enjoy the bliss of your ignorance.
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Old 12-13-2007, 04:22 AM   #10 (permalink)
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FH,

I'd be a little careful about what you are suggesting. I think there will be many more of us "younger" dudes deciding who jumpseats, and when, than you "older" whiners will. Only a select few companies, 2 who still have nice pensions, have ropes left eager to benefit from a grossly inequitable windfall for them. Enjoy it, you got yours.
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