jungle

This guy went surprisingly cheap:

http://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/memb...8&expand= M01

Open the tab in transportation.


But then again, we can't go look in his freezer.

Speech is free, but results always require money.

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Nortonious

ALPA, SWAPA, and others were pro age 65 (or rather repeal of age 60)
APA was against
(check out the number$)

I like your overall synopsis, but side with jungle in that public interest had little to do with it. If the public had been told that age 65 would lower their fares 50 cents, then everyone might have written their congressmen.

My take is the bill was signed after a series of very successful Capitol Hill "Blitzes" by APAAD & Co, convincing everyone this was an age discrimination issue. And oh yeah, the PAC $$$ didn't hurt.

Klako

It was all about age discrimination.

The opposition that came from ALPA and APA begs the question; what legitimate labor union would actively support a rule which discriminates against its own members, force them to leave their jobs and leave them with reduced benefits? ALPA and APA had been milking the Age 60 rule for all it's worth for much to long a time.

rjlavender

You are correct Klako, these organizations might meet the legal definition of the word "union," but not the philosophical. Because of their take on Age 60, among other things, their memberships are anything but unified.

Bob

ClutchCargo

F/O Lavender:

I suppose you think that SWAPA is "unified"? The bottom half of their seniority list is majorly P.O'd now that age 65 has come home to roost.

Too bad that you didn't end up there. They have a domicile in HOU. OOOPPSS, forgot they have an "up-or-out" policy. You wouldn't make it there.

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HercDriver130

A southern air L-382(L-100-30) ..... now that was an organization.....

ClutchCargo

It wasn't just a job, it was a (well paying) adventure!

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Nortonious

This horse has been beaten to death elsewhere, but I respectfully contend it was about convincing everyone it was age discrimination (if age 60 was discriminatory, so is age 65). A "medically qualified" law change would have been non-discriminatory, but of course none of us really want to go that route

Age 60 repeal has been a battle long fought. I believe in can be shown ALPA was most recently in favor of repeal: ALPA response

Regardless of which way any particular union stood on the issue, no membership was 100% united. Gents, we all know it comes down to $$$ and people vote with their pocketbooks (Senators, Congressmen, and Pilots). In general: Older, more senior pilots who lost their defined benefit plans, or never had them, were in favor of age-60 repeal. Younger, less senior pilots were not.

HercDriver130

Clutch.... knew many FE's from my squadron who did time with Southern Air.... parked next to them a few times in places on other continents that I would just as soon forget.... Humanitarian airlift... now that is a laugh...

ClutchCargo

You've never eaten "hard" rice?

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