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Age 65 Rule Dec 13, 2007: Age 60 is now 65

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Old 01-30-2008, 12:49 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I talked with a United Captain today who told me of an official stat he heard recently.

16 people have turned age 60 since the passage of the retirement age legislation.
All 16 have stayed.

How are the numbers at your airline?

Here is a link to a thread showing the amount of people who were SUPPOSE to retire when age 60 was still in effect. It does not take much reading to figure out that upward movement and hiring at the airlines is really going to take a plunge.
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Old 01-30-2008, 02:09 PM   #2 (permalink)
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i dont think anyone is surprised there. even the people who "said" they were going to retire at 60 were full of it and we all knew that.
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Old 01-30-2008, 02:58 PM   #3 (permalink)
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i dont think anyone is surprised there. even the people who "said" they were going to retire at 60 were full of it and we all knew that.
A question is how many age 60 pilots would have retired if the pension had not been terminated at UAL?
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Old 01-30-2008, 03:29 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Has any airline mgmnt. or union surveyed the pilot group to gauge who is staying and who is going ?

I suggested this on our union's website.

Just curious,

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Old 01-30-2008, 03:29 PM   #5 (permalink)
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hence the reason the news is not surprising that people are still staying.
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Old 02-05-2008, 11:50 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Two days ago I talked to 2 ONT pilots (UPS) who were planning on retiring when they turn 60; which will be later this year for both of them.

I said something like, "yeah, sure, we'll be talking about this again sometimes next year..." but they both said their plans were set in stone. I think they might be a minority for now but at least they're still out there.
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Old 02-08-2008, 03:21 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Recession Fears Spark Retirements/Cancellations At AA?


A downturn in the stock market made it appealing for 143 senior pilots at American Airlines to call it quits Thursday, according to American. The airline says the departed were watching the falling stock market and decided to lock in the value of their retirement plans by jumping ship. An AA pilot can lock part of his pension plan's value three months ahead of an announced retirement date, but can either retire or withdraw his notice at the end of that three months depending on his perception of the market. With pilots now allowed to stay on to age 65, senior pilots must weigh the value of those extra years against the value of their pension portfolios. American employs about 9,000 pilots, but in anticipation of Thursday's fallout canceled 28 flights (mostly long-haul routes flown on Boeing 777 aircraft by senior pilots) scheduled for February. The cancellations represent about one-tenth of one percent of AA's entire February schedule. The move brought some quick winter heat from the Allied Pilots Association (APA). The APA is framing American's strategy in the union's weekly newsletter as "inept decision-making in manning this airline," which it believes is understaffed. Cuts in training capacity at American may also make it slower to respond to an increased demand for pilots. APA is currently engaged in contract talks with the airline. American last year canceled more flights than any network carrier -- 2.7 percent of its schedule, according to early statistics by Flightstats.com. American Airlines officials have proposed changes to retirement plans that would dissolve some of the flexibility built into the current programs.
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It has everything to do with the pension. NWA still has their pension and a large amount of their retirements are early outs (pre-60) it will effect all carriers differently.
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Old 02-08-2008, 09:01 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Posted on Thu, Feb. 07, 2008

Law change has airlines seeking retired pilots

By TREBOR BANSTETTER
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Travelers may soon notice more gray hair in airplane cockpits when they board their flights, thanks to a wave of recently retired pilots trading in their beach chairs for seats on the flight deck.
A recent change in federal law, which raised the mandatory retirement age for commercial pilots from 60 to 65, means that some retired pilots can return to the skies. Airlines, facing a growing pilot shortage, are beginning to recruit retired pilots who are younger than 65.
"There are lot of pilots who love flying. It's an absolute passion for them, and they may be interested in coming back," said Brandy King, a spokeswoman for Dallas-based Southwest Airlines. "So we want to give them that opportunity."
The change, which Congress approved in December, came as many newly retired pilots were adjusting to living with far less retirement income than they had planned during their careers. The termination of most airline pension plans cut deeply into pilot nest eggs, forcing some to turn to nonflying jobs to bring in more money.
"Many of these pilots are living on just 25 to 30 percent of what they thought they were going to have," said Kit Darby, a pilot and president of consulting firm Air Inc., which helps pilots with career decisions. "So they're a needy group, and some of them are going to jump at the chance to go back to flying."
According to Air Inc., retired pilots have been interviewed for jobs at Delta Air Lines, Southwest and Eos Airlines, which flies between New York and London.
Fort Worth-based American Airlines has no plans right now to recruit retired pilots, spokeswoman Sue Gordon said. American still has more than 2,000 pilots on furlough, who are first in line for new jobs.
Southwest created a team to contact retired pilots who are still young enough to fly, and interviews will begin this month. King said there are about 200 retired Southwest pilots eligible to return.
Pilots who want to come back would go through a two-week interview process and then undergo additional training before returning to flight duties. "It would be all the things that a new pilot does," King said.
But there are drawbacks. The law mandates that retirees who return to their old jobs must be placed on the bottom of airline seniority lists and treated the same as new hires. That means retired captains will come back as first officers, and they will likely earn less than before they retired.
They will also fly smaller airplanes and won't get to pick the choice routes.
"That could be frustrating for some pilots who were at the peak of their careers," flying as captains on the biggest airplanes and earning the largest paychecks, Darby said.
Still, he added, many older pilots may still choose to resume flying, particularly if they're already working to augment their retirement income.
The new pool of veteran pilots comes as the industry is struggling with a growing shortage of pilots. Many regional airlines have slashed their hiring requirements during the past year to meet the demand for new pilots, and some, including American Eagle, have had to adjust flight schedules because of fewer pilots.
That's why "every airline is looking at this right now, and at some point I think all of them are going" to be recruiting retired pilots, Darby said. "It's a group with a lot of experience, and a lot of them want to come back."
Share of Southwest (ticker: LUV) finished at 11.96, up 25 cents in trading Wednesday. Shares of AMR Corp., American's parent company (AMR) finished at $15.25 per share, up 61 cents.
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It seems at Delta, they have done everything (with Alpa's concurrance) to discourage retired pilots from coming back. First, the whole new hire interview process. Friend of mine retired after 25 years at Delta. He is now only 55 and was turned down. Perfect record for those 25 yrs and one of those guys, when retiring, the CPO probably said, "who?". I do believe that a few have been hired, again with first year pay. No problems going to the bottom of the seniority list, but year one pay? Selling nuts and bolts at HomeDepot will get you a higher salary.
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