ewrbasedpilot

I've noticed at my carrier that I'm moving BACKWARDS on the seniority list. Twelve numbers in the past three months. This age 65 ruling is REALLY starting to hurt not just current pilots, but career advancement. I had a seniority analysis run and pre-65 ruling I would have retired around #1000 at CAL. Now it is approximately #1800!!!!! Now I see that oil AND the age 65 law are resulting in airlines putting perspective pilots in "pools" with no real idea of when hiring or classes will continue. Just when we thought things were finally getting better.......................

subicpilot

So what's the point of your thread? You answered your own question.

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ewrbasedpilot

The point, which you obviously missed, was whether those that were such a cheerleader for the age 65 law are now happy with what's happened to their careers. Pilots are now not only stagnant, but going BACKWARDS in their career progression.

subicpilot

No kidding I missed it. That's why I asked the my question. "Master of the obvious."

Sounds to me like you are asking the question, then answering it in the same breath. You seem surprised about the stagnation and backwards movement. Did you expect something else? Why do you think so many of us resisted the age 65 movement? You gave an example of how it hurts you. How can it help? The people helped are those who lost their retirement through post 911 airline bankruptcies, and those who made poor investments or have too many ex-wives and/or toys. I have no idea what percentage of the total pilot force this equates to. Everyone else is hurt, until the industry gets a chance to react to the change by amending pilot contracts to increase retirements and benefits based on the extra 5 years of service, and we make sure not to give back our ability to retire at 60, if we choose to do so.

Is that more like what you were expecting in this thread?

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buzzpat

Ummmm, aren't post-60 year old guys pilots too? Seems to me (and I'm not one) they've paid their seniority dues too. Things may have slowed down for you but at least you're not being required to terminate your career prematurely (as they were).

Slice

Prematurely? It wasn't out at 60 when they started this gig? Bull****. If 60 is premature then so is 65. Fly till you die baby, yeah!!!

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Superpilot92

Those people at age 60 KNEW what the retirement age was. There should be NO surprise in this. They milked the age 60 and enjoyed all the retirements of those senior to them only to pull the ladder up when it was their turn. They are collectively giving all of their fellow union members and pilots the bird!! Fly till you die!! Sounds nice doesnt it

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ewrbasedpilot

Prematurely? I guess EVERY pilot that reached age 60 before the December date was retired prematurely, right? 35-40 years must not be quite enough for guys like you................

ewrbasedpilot

Sorry, didn't mean to be so sarcastic. I just had a friend who went through a nasty divorce at age 54. His clock was cleaned so now he's happy he'll get to work till 65 to "replenish" his retirement fund. I agree that THEIR poor financial planning shouldn't constitute an "extension" of flying years for them, unlike our government who deems age 60 seems only discriminatory in our profession. What a bunch of hypocrites we have running our country.

subicpilot

No worries!

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