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Age 65 Rule Dec 13, 2007: Age 60 is now 65

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Old 02-02-2007, 10:20 AM   #1 (permalink)
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British...ays_Flight_548

British European Airways Flight 548British European Airways Flight 548

On June 18, 1972, British European Airways Flight 548 (callsign BEALINE 548), a Hawker-Siddeley Trident 1C operated by British European Airways (BEA), crashed two minutes after takeoff from Heathrow Airport, killing all 118 passengers and crew on board. The crash occurred close to the town of Staines, near London, United Kingdom, and was the worst air accident to have occurred on British soil until the Lockerbie disaster of 1988.

Accident Synopsis

The aircraft, registered as G-ARPI and known familiarly as "Papa India", was on a scheduled flight from London to Brussels under the command of Captain Stanley Key, one of BEA's most senior captains. 22-year-old Second Officer J.W. Keighley sat in the right-hand seat, while the slightly more experienced 24-year-old Second Officer S. Ticehurst acted as monitoring pilot. During the climb-out from Heathrow, while the aircraft was flown at the correct speed for the configuration, the leading-edge lift-augmentation droop was prematurely retracted. This led to a series of stalls. The condition was not rectified by the pilots despite the operation of the stick pusher, and the aircraft entered a deep stall from which there was no possibility of recovery. The aircraft rapidly descended with a high, nose-up attitude, until striking the ground close to the A30 near the King George VI Reservoir on the outskirts of Staines. There was no fire on impact, which was unusual for the flat descent crash the plane committed.
This aircraft has previously been involved in an accident when its tail was torn off by an Airspeed Ambassador which crashed at Heathrow on 3 July 1968.

Investigation

The question facing the Air Accidents Investigation Branch was the underlying cause of the crash. Although the immediate cause of the stall was easily determined, detailed examination of the wreckage and flight recorder revealed no evidence of any mechanical or structural failure. Investigators soon discovered, however, that human factors likely played a major role. At the time of the accident, BEA was involved in a labour dispute with the British Air Line Pilots Association. Approximately one hour before the flight, the vehemently anti-union Captain Key had entered into a heated argument with another captain about the desirability of strike action. Both of Key's subordinate officers on the flight were present during the confrontation. Also, among the wreckage of Papa India, investigators found a crew table on which the following offensive graffiti directed at the captain had been scribbled:
  • KEY MUST GO
  • YEAH BUT WHERE?
  • BOAC?
  • ANYWHERE WILL DO!
  • WHEN KEY DIES, WHO WILL BE GOD'S NEXT REPRESENTATIVE IN BEA?
  • DOWN WITH KEYLINE MANAGEMENT
A handwriting examiner testified at the inquiry that neither S/O Ticehurst or S/O Keighley were responsible for the graffiti. It is not known if Captain Key saw it on the day of the accident.

Autopsy

Post-mortems of the accident victims showed that all on board had died from injuries received in the accident. However, the autopsy of Captain Key also revealed undiagnosed coronary artery disease, including evidence of a small healed and possibly silent heart attack. More telling, a recent tear was found in the inner lining of the left descending coronary artery. Two cardiologists who examined the Captain's remains testified that the tear probably occurred during or after his outburst in the flight crew room. The cardiologists were not agreed as to the level of incapacitation likely experienced by Captain Key in the minutes and seconds preceding his death, but both felt that the Captain would have been distracted to some extent by the developing cardiac event.
The AAIB also examined a number of crew interaction aspects which it found wanting, including Captain Key's forbidding personality and S/O Keighley's previously documented lack of initiative in simulated emergency situations. The Board also examined how BEA's training schedule for new staff had been disrupted by the labour dispute, leaving inexperienced pilots like S/O Keighley unable to undertake the more complicated but less critical duties of monitoring pilot and in effect forcing them into the role of first officer long before they were ready for that position.
The main questions remained, however: who moved the droop retraction lever, and why was action not taken to correct the error? Furthermore, did the crew override the automatic stall warning system because prior experience with false activations led them to believe it was unreliable, or did a medical emergency in the cockpit distract the crew from its duties?
The AAIB ultimately could not determine a probable cause for the accident. Based on evidence presented during the inquiry, the Board made a series of recommendations with respect to operation of the Trident, crew training, cockpit resource management, cockpit voice recorders, and effective medical examinations. The Board's findings were confirmed by a judicial inquiry under Mr Justice Lane. Load control measures were also taken. Prior to the accident, the cabin of the aircraft was divided into 3 sections, A B C. Section B was immediately in the middle of the aircraft over the wing area. When the load sheet was worked out the middle section of the aircraft, section B was not considered as important. It was more important to trim the aircraft by balancing section A and section C. The incident made loading the aircraft stricter by making sure that section B was also taken into account for the aircraft to be in trim for take-off.
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Albuquerque Man Helped Co-Pilot Land Continental 757




Richard Metcalf
The Albuquerque Journal


Albuquerque businessman Stephen W. Brown doesn't consider himself a hero.
But when a medical emergency struck down the captain of a nearly full Continental Airlines jet flying to Mexico, Brown climbed out of his passenger seat and into the cockpit.
The 47-year-old licensed private pilot, who usually flies a single-engine Cessna, helped land the Boeing 757-300 loaded with 209 other passengers at McAllen-Miller International Airport in McAllen, Texas, on Saturday.
The plane had taken off from Houston on a flight to Puerto Vallarta when the co-pilot called for help. Brown responded.
"Yes, it was a rush," Brown told the Journal in an e-mail Wednesday from Puerto Vallarta, where he was still on a business vacation. "A combination of sheer excitement and shock kept my heart racing from beginning to end.
"I suppose most private pilots daydream about this sort of scenario where assistance is needed on the flight deck," he said. "The sad part, of course, is how I ended up on the flight deck."
The captain later died. The nature of his illness has not been disclosed.
While a few flight attendants and passengers tended to the stricken pilot, the co-pilot took over as captain of the plane. He then asked over the intercom whether there were any pilots on board.



"There's nothing wrong with that," said Federal Aviation Administration spokesman Roland Herwig, who confirmed Brown's role in the emergency landing. "The (acting) captain can take any action for the sake of safety."
For some passengers on the flight, the broadcast request may have caused anxiety, Brown said, "but everybody remained calm."
A co-owner of Johnstone Supply, Brown was on the flight with his wife, Kristin Brown, and several business associates and customers.
Brown and one of his companions, also a licensed private pilot, stepped up to the front of the plane in response to the call for assistance.
Brown said that at that point, he wasn't nervous because he knew one pilot can land a 757. And as a licensed pilot himself, he also knew about a protocol called cockpit resource management.
"The captain knew full well he could land the aircraft without my or anyone else's help; however, protocol dictates he look for assistance," he said.
Brown, who has logged 150 hours of flight time since he got his pilot's license 1 1/2 years ago, got the nod over his companion.
"When I sat in the right seat, the captain looked at me and asked, 'When was the last time you flew?' '' he said. "I told him last week and he said, 'Good, you're current.' ''
The co-pilot-turned-captain told Brown that he had 28 years of experience.
"At that moment, I was undoubtedly the least nervous person on the plane," Brown said. "I knew, while technically it was deemed an 'emergency situation,' the captain would land the aircraft without incident."
Brown's role was to perform some standard radio work, coreview checklists and lower flaps and landing gear as instructed.
A 757 is nearly twice as long as a regulation basketball court, with a wingspan of 125 feet. Pilots use a computerized, fully integrated flight control system with electronic displays.
"What an incredible opportunity," Brown said about helping to land the plane.
He said the real credit goes to the flight crew members and passengers who tried to revive the captain.
Brown said credit also goes to the pilot who took over but who hasn't been identified by Continental Airlines.
"The pilot next to me was a true professional, dedicated to doing his job even in the most difficult of emotional situations," he said.
Continental Airlines confirmed basic information about the flight but would not release any detail, pending a federal review.
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Wow, I am convinced.
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Pilot's heart attack forces American Airlines emergency landing.
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Publication Date: 27-JUL-01

Pilot's heart attack forces American Airlines emergency landing.
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An American Airlines flight en route from Los Angeles to London, UK made an emergency landing at McCarran International Airport in Las Vegas on 25 July after the pilot suffered a heart attack.

The pilot, who is said to be in a stable condition, was attended by a doctor and nurse who were passengers on the Boeing 777 flight while another officer flew the aircraft.

The pilot was removed from the aircraft by paramedics as soon as it landed, but the passengers had to stay on board for about an hour until a gate became available according to The Associated Press.
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A China Airlines pilot suffered a heart attack today en route to Vietnam, forcing the co-pilot to make a turnaround back to Taipei. Capt. G.I. Gueorguiev, 45, lost consciousness about 40 minutes after Flight CI652 took off for Ho Chi Minh City, company spokesman Scott Shih said. Co-pilot Lin Hsin, 27, took control and landed safely.

None of the 259 pax were injured and the Airbus A300-600 took off again by late morning with a new pilot. Gueorguiev was sent to a hospital but "showed no signs of life" after the heart attack, Shih said. The captain had passed the mandatory health examination given to pilots every six months, he added.

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Ohio Police Chopper Pilot Dies Before Takeoff





Updated: July 20th, 2006 02:30 PM PDT

A Columbus Police pilot died suddenly Monday, NewsChannel5 partner ONN reported.
Officer Paul "Stan" Kaiser was doing his preflight check and was sitting inside of the helicopter about to take off when he suffered an attack.
It happened around 2 a.m. Kaiser and his partner were preparing for their two-hour flight around Columbus when he started having problems. His partner ran for help and even though there is a fire station with medics right next door, their efforts couldn't save him.
Kaiser was transported to The Ohio State University Medical Center where he was pronounced dead.
The 59-year-old has been with the department since 1973, spending most of his time with the department flying helicopters.

His death is taking a toll on his fellow co-workers, they said.
"Three officers performed CPR on him. We are making sure his family's needs are taken care of," said Sgt. Mike Woods of the Columbus Police Department.
Kaiser has been a pilot since he was 17 years old. His family members said they know of no medical condition which would have promoted the heart attack. Three weeks ago Kaiser had his yearly medical checkup required by the Federal Aviation Administration, and it gave no indication of any sort of medical problems.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.../05/uplane.xmlHeart attack pilot dies after saving passengers


Last Updated: 1:13am BST 06/06/2006




A pilot who was suffering a heart attack saved the lives of his three passengers by making an emergency landing on a motorway, before dying shortly afterwards.
Jack Francis, 61, was flying his single-engine Cessna 185 home from Jackpot, Nevada, with his wife and another couple on Sunday morning when the attack began.
Despite his pain, Mr Francis managed to land the plane safely - on a main road in Utah.

The plane ran off the highway and hit a fence before coming to a stop, but his three passengers were unhurt.
But Mr Francis was not so lucky. Paramedics managed to carry him out of the plane, but he died shortly after arriving in hospital.
Derek Jensen, Utah Highway Patrol spokesman, said: "He basically saved these other three peoples' lives by landing the plane on the highway."
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Whoa, sounds like we need more stringent medicals. But then I recall quite a few years ago after I was done taking a much more difficult company medical exam I said to the nurse I guess I'll live another year. She stated that there was no such thing implied. All they were stating is that I was healthy at the time they examined me; nothing more.
I believe that under the NPRM scenario you can give input, so if there's data to suggest older pilots are mentally and physically deficient submit it.
One thing I'm curious about is how was the determination to retire made prior to the age 60 implementation? I believe
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To finish my thought since my computer decided to go ahead and post, I think medical certification was more demanding back then with few waivers, but I'm just guessing.
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From the NIH:
http://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/health/dci/...tack_risk.html

What Makes a Heart Attack More Likely?

Certain factors make it more likely that you will develop CAD and have a heart attack. These are called risk factors. Risk factors you cannot change include:
  • Your age
    • Men: over age 45
    • Women: over age 55
  • Having a family history of early heart disease
    • Heart disease diagnosed in father or brother before age 55
    • Heart disease diagnosed in mother or sister before age 65
  • Having a personal history of CAD
    • Angina
    • A previous heart attack
    • A surgical procedure (angioplasty, heart bypass) to increase blood flow to your heart.
Maybe the age should be 44 for men?
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