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Old 08-02-2007, 03:24 PM   #11 (permalink)
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F-16's only have one engine. The guy in your Avatar did the only thing to do in that situation. Seriously though. If possible I would auto land.
That guy didn't have an engine problem, he had an altitude problem.
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Old 08-02-2007, 03:45 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Land....autoland..... just land the farker.... you fly the needles until you hit the pavement.... flare just a bit... at some RA call if its ZERO vis.... ( i have seen the fog so thick at Mildenhall you couldnt see the wing tips of a C130 )

YOU DONT STAY in the AIR or attempt a SE go around with BURNING engine. Thats what I'm doing. We use to hand fly the C130 sims at Little Rock with the VIS off..sorta kinda land it...then turn it on to see how we did..... might not be pretty .... but i bets its prettier than a burning hole in the ground.
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Old 08-02-2007, 11:22 PM   #13 (permalink)
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I don't have much airplane experience, however I have tons of helicopter experience. I must ask the question: Is it prudent to takeoff from someplace that you can't land to should you have an emergency on takeoff or shortly thereafter? Seriously, just because the regs say you can doesn't mean it is the wisest choice. I am going to have to say it better be very important for me to takeoff or I ain't going. Just my two cents

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Old 08-02-2007, 11:46 PM   #14 (permalink)
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I don't have much airplane experience, however I have tons of helicopter experience. I must ask the question: Is it prudent to takeoff from someplace that you can't land to should you have an emergency on takeoff or shortly thereafter? Seriously, just because the regs say you can doesn't mean it is the wisest choice. I am going to have to say it better be very important for me to takeoff or I ain't going. Just my two cents

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It happens all the time in Part 121 ops. If wx is below landing minimums you'll have a takeoff alternate on the release. It has to be within one hour's flying time for single engine cruise speed in still air, if I remember correctly.
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Old 08-03-2007, 04:06 AM   #15 (permalink)
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And remember it IS just a hypothetical...... they use to pile it on in the sim when I was in the AF... especially if you werent handling things very well..... however, we use to do it in C130 ops..... If we had vis for departure....AND a good departure alternate... we were going...... "You call....we haul"......And under Part 121 like slice said...if you can meet all the criteria.... you are going...
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That guy didn't have an engine problem, he had an altitude problem.

ALL mishaps are altitude problems.
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Old 09-02-2007, 03:00 PM   #17 (permalink)
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I would land. Don't have auto land in the king air but leveling off at 10' RA and pulling the power off will get you on the ground. Also keep in mind that just because you're at 200' and still in the clouds doesn't mean that at 50/100/150 you won't break out.

As for the weather going foul while you are in the pattern, very possible. I landed in JAX at night to refuel in a 172. VFR and stars were out when I went into the FBO to hit the latrine, when I came back out I couldn't see the airplane through the fog. Also departed out of Stuttgart one day with half the runway Clear NSW, and the other half in crazy thick fog. Just imagine it rolling down to the MM.
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Old 09-04-2007, 08:39 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Land the F'er. Better than to try to make it to your departure alternate and have your only thrust producing engine, burning nonetheless, quit all together half way there. Between 100' and 20' RA try to slow your descent to about 200-300 FPM and ease her in. Stop, pull off the runway and evac.
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Engine 1 is on fire, however still producing thrust/power, its your only left engine so you are going to leave it on

Engine 1 is always the left engine
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Why all the panic about an engine fire? Turbine engines are on fire from startup to shutdown all the time. Now, a cabin fire....hell yeah, get back on the ground ASAP!
After the miss, climb to a safe altitude and go the nearest better wx airport, at a reduced power setting. Along the way, try a re-start of engine 2. Heck, it might re-light with no indications of any fire. Engine 2 was shut down WAY too fast in the first place.
Why crash onto, or near, a 0/0 runway only to find afterwards that the "fire" was caused by a faulty sensor? If it is a "real" engine fire..... so what?
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