250 or point 65

What does "Procedure NA for Arrival on FAK VORTAC airway radials 012 CW 252" mean?

Ok, I'll clarify, so that I don't get answers as if I'm working on my instrument rating...i know what these terms mean:

• Procedure NA
• VORTAC
• 012 CW 252

What I don't understand is what this means for me...

• arrival (arrival to FAK? arrival to the IAP from FAK?
• airway radials (any radial? only those radials that have a published airway?)

This is my interpretation and we'll see if this is correct. If I am navigating to FAK on any radial 012 CW 252, I cannot use FAK as a feeder route. However, if this is correct, there's another problem. Say I'm X (30) DME on the 180 radial. It looks like I could'nt use HPW either. Also, maybe this is a moot point because my interpretation is incorrect.

annnnnnd......GO!

http://204.108.4.16/d-tpp/0810/00347R2.PDF

If the link doesn't work...its the RNAV 2 at KRIC...but all the RNAV IAP's there have similar notes

rickair7777

Are there any airways to FAK or HPW from the south? Maybe the MEAs are too high from that direction?

Looks like you would need vectors, but potomac approach is 24 hours, so that should not be a problem.

250 or point 65

yes, but only 3. on has a highish MEA, but the others don't. also, there are plenty of plates out there that list something like "procedure NA for arrivals at XXXXX via northwest JXX or Vxx"

rickair7777

Maybe it's because they conflict with V airways or other feeders to other uncontrolled fields?

KC10 FATboy

What they are trying to do (IMHO), is to keep you from performing a procedure turn at the feeder fixes. If you are coming from the west, use FAK. From the east, use HPW. Notice, they are limiting you to a 120 degree cone of entry.

-Fatty

250 or point 65

well, then which one do i use if i am coming from the position i mentioned? i can't use either....

detpilot

Why not go direct to JEDEL?

250 or point 65

well sure, i could go direct Ubekistan if i want, but the point is, i want to know if ATC gives me direct to one of those VOR's to start the approach, do i have to say no?

SamFoxpilot

I agree. Feeder fixes aren't mandatory. If you can't use them just file to the appropriate IAF suitable to your direction of arrival.

250 or point 65

Yes, but in some cases feeder fixes are important to the feasibility of an approach. What if the OROCA in this area were 7000 ft and the approach started at 2500 from the IAFs? In this case a feeder route may allow you to fly a lower MEA along that route.

So again, what does this note really mean?