Led Zep

Why not just fly the MAP utilizing the ADF?

coldpilot

1. The OP stated that the aircraft is not equipped with an ADF
2. Nobody getting an instrument rating in a new aircraft these days knows the ART of using the ADF and NDB approaches and holding. Another FO in my ATR transition class had never shot an NDB approach until he had to do it in the sim last week!

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FlyingChipmunk

I think your alright to use the GPS, That excerpt is saying that the GPS is for monitoring a non-approved approach such as a localizer using the GPS. An approved approach or using the GPS in lieu of an ADF in this case still is legal.

Yeffro

Looks like you are authorized to use GPS here.


In reference to the op's approach link....
I am curious if the whole missed procedure is in the database, or if you would fly direct to LNC after the initial climb, manually OBS outbound on the 102 from, and identify FLIPP with GPS and the No.2 Nav from CQY?

Yeffro

Yeah, just starting to get a grip on all this.

ppilot

Exactly right. There are overlays for ILS approaches, etc. in the database. The GPS is used for monitoring if you load an overlay.

Led Zep

My bad, I missed that when I read (or attempted to read) the first post.
With that being said, this is what I would do. I would either decline the approach and request another, or I would ask ATC for alternate missed approach instructions in the event of a missed approach. The "ADF REQUIRED" is what would drive me to that decision. Just my $0.02 as to what I would do.

Oh man, now I'm really starting to feel old!

250 or point 65

hold on

Again, its important to read the whole section.

1-1-19 f.(b)(4)

The aircraft GPS system must be operated within the guidelines contained in the AFM, AFM supplement, or pilot's guide.

-To me, the AFM says that you are not allowed to substitute GPS for an ADF on an approach, only use it for SA. It says the CDI is not to be coupled to the GPS so are you going to use the digital CDI on the GPS screen?

FDXer

Why not get alternate missed approach instructions? When you check in with approach, ask them for alternate missed approach instructions. They will always give them to you and you won't need the ADF. Could be something as easy as "straight ahead to 3,000 and contact me on ??".

III Corps

with the comment ADF REQUIRED, I agree with you. While the information may be in the GPS database, for whatever reason the FAA decided to put the note on the chart. IF you had ADF, you could fly the GPS with ADF raw data and no one could squawk.

But no ADF and shooting an approach which states ADF REQUIRED. I can just see the inspector saying, "What part of the two word sentence did you not understand? Here's you violation."

And yes, that old feeling.. shot my first NDB for real in Vietnam.

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