What do you expect with new contract?
08-27-2016, 11:52 AM
#21
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Originally Posted by NotTellin
I expect to not tell the company on a public forum what I'm willing to settle for.
Wrong.
There is zero harm to make posts on a public forum that pilots of Alaska expect an industry leading contract. This includes hourly rates of pay, retirement, profit sharing, the value of a vacation and training day AND scope. Let's get real. Management undoubtably already knows this. And yes, they can afford it. So go ahead. Post positions that shoot for the moon!
OTOH, what we shouldn't do is post ridiculous company sympathizing comments that reflect concessionary positions or items of compromise. I hope this younger generation of reps can better articulate and argue our interests than the ones we have sent in the past.
08-27-2016, 03:22 PM
#22
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And this is still relevant. Do not forget...
Alaska Airlines Receives Arbitrator's Decision
4/30/2005 7:01 p.m.
SEATTLE — An arbitrator notified Alaska Airlines today of his decisions on the major terms of a new contract between the airline and its Air Line Pilots Association (ALPA) bargaining unit.
The decisions of the arbitrator, Richard Kasher, cover all 1,465 pilots employed by Alaska Airlines. The new contract becomes effective May 1.
The existing contract between the airline and the union called for an arbitrator, mutually agreed upon, to resolve differences if the parties were unable to reach agreement. ALPA and Alaska Airlines began contract talks in October 2003. The arbitrator was called in to help craft a settlement when an agreement could not be reached by a December 15, 2004, deadline.
While wage provisions go into effect tomorrow, full implementation of all provisions is expected to occur over several weeks. The contract becomes amendable in two years.
The terms of the agreement, set by the arbitrator, were based on information presented by both the airline and ALPA. They include an approximate 26 percent reduction in pilot wages, various work rule changes resulting in productivity improvements and higher employee health care contributions. No changes were made to the pilots' pension or profit sharing plans.
"We are grateful to the arbitrator for helping us reach a resolution," said Dennis Hamel, Alaska's vice president of employee services. "This allows us to move forward with a competitive wage and benefit package for our pilots and helps us achieve a better cost alignment with other major carriers."
When the times were "bad" there was a sacrifice big time. The times are very good now so nothing less than industry leading standards across the board will be expected.
Alaska Airlines Receives Arbitrator's Decision
4/30/2005 7:01 p.m.
SEATTLE — An arbitrator notified Alaska Airlines today of his decisions on the major terms of a new contract between the airline and its Air Line Pilots Association (ALPA) bargaining unit.
The decisions of the arbitrator, Richard Kasher, cover all 1,465 pilots employed by Alaska Airlines. The new contract becomes effective May 1.
The existing contract between the airline and the union called for an arbitrator, mutually agreed upon, to resolve differences if the parties were unable to reach agreement. ALPA and Alaska Airlines began contract talks in October 2003. The arbitrator was called in to help craft a settlement when an agreement could not be reached by a December 15, 2004, deadline.
While wage provisions go into effect tomorrow, full implementation of all provisions is expected to occur over several weeks. The contract becomes amendable in two years.
The terms of the agreement, set by the arbitrator, were based on information presented by both the airline and ALPA. They include an approximate 26 percent reduction in pilot wages, various work rule changes resulting in productivity improvements and higher employee health care contributions. No changes were made to the pilots' pension or profit sharing plans.
"We are grateful to the arbitrator for helping us reach a resolution," said Dennis Hamel, Alaska's vice president of employee services. "This allows us to move forward with a competitive wage and benefit package for our pilots and helps us achieve a better cost alignment with other major carriers."
When the times were "bad" there was a sacrifice big time. The times are very good now so nothing less than industry leading standards across the board will be expected.
08-27-2016, 04:08 PM
#23
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"We are grateful to the arbitrator for helping us reach a resolution," said Dennis Hamel, Alaska's vice president of employee services. "This allows us to move forward with a competitive wage and benefit package for our pilots and helps us achieve a better cost alignment with other major carriers."
Ah yes, one of my darkest days of our lives... homes lost, divorces, and a plethora of other $hit storms came our way in just one moment. I get sick to my stomach even now when I hear the word Kasher.
"Cost alignment with other major carriers", aka "market based wages and work rules" you say?! When was the last time management mentioned these exact words? That's right-only when it benefits them. Time to pay up, bro!
Ah yes, one of my darkest days of our lives... homes lost, divorces, and a plethora of other $hit storms came our way in just one moment. I get sick to my stomach even now when I hear the word Kasher.
"Cost alignment with other major carriers", aka "market based wages and work rules" you say?! When was the last time management mentioned these exact words? That's right-only when it benefits them. Time to pay up, bro!
08-28-2016, 08:51 PM
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Truth is....Times were not tough for them then....They used the fanciest accounting in the business to "lose"money into more corners of the airline than anyone could track.....Times were not tough for them when they furloughed....the freaks that heavily populate our seniority list for whom the color of the paint job matters more than the quality of the contract are selling the " sixth place" mantra....."we cant expect to be at the top"...."what do you want to give up for more money"......on and on ad nauseum....besides knowing how to split a penny lengthwise, alaska airlines has mastered the art of hiring yes voters.....70% of the seniority list....looking forward to an 6th to 8th place JCBA and the years of sniveling about a domestic narrowbody seniority list.....Brad and company for the easy win
08-28-2016, 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Klsytakesit
Truth is....Times were not tough for them then....They used the fanciest accounting in the business to "lose"money into more corners of the airline than anyone could track.....Times were not tough for them when they furloughed....the freaks that heavily populate our seniority list for whom the color of the paint job matters more than the quality of the contract are selling the " sixth place" mantra....."we cant expect to be at the top"...."what do you want to give up for more money"......on and on ad nauseum....besides knowing how to split a penny lengthwise, alaska airlines has mastered the art of hiring yes voters.....70% of the seniority list....looking forward to an 6th to 8th place JCBA and the years of sniveling about a domestic narrowbody seniority list.....Brad and company for the easy win
08-28-2016, 10:17 PM
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Originally Posted by NotTellin
At least on October 1, they will be adding 700+ hardened veterans of the airline industry. There are very few yes men in our group. 8 airlines will do that to you.
No shortage of "yes men" here, either.
Originally Posted by Klsytakesit
please remember to vote NO on the JCBA
Without having even seen it?
08-29-2016, 02:40 PM
#28
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Grabbed these numbers from the Southwest forum. Please correct if wrong.
Southwest new TA:
12 year pay by September 2020
CA: $282.30/hr
FO: $197.60/hr
Allegiant, Delta, and UPS getting new contracts is putting us in a very strong position.
Southwest new TA:
12 year pay by September 2020
CA: $282.30/hr
FO: $197.60/hr
Allegiant, Delta, and UPS getting new contracts is putting us in a very strong position.
08-30-2016, 06:44 AM
#29
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Originally Posted by Klsytakesit
please remember to vote NO on the JCBA
08-30-2016, 10:08 AM
#30
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Originally Posted by EskimoJoe
I want to hear exactly what both merger committees are proposing for SLI before I'd ever consider voting for a JCBA. A JCBA is way down the priority list.
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