American interviews and class dates
#1441
Does anyone know if there's a way to tell if you were not selected besides the TBNT email? I applied several months ago but I was just deleting my Junk Folder without checking it for the first month. So if I received a TBNT, I wouldn't have noticed it for the first month. I'm still updating my times every two weeks and all my sections still have green check marks.
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#1442
New Hire
Joined APC: Oct 2010
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It is a question absent implication.
Involuntary furloughed pilots in the United SLI arbitration received credit for the length of service they were active. Voluntary furloughs also received a furlough credit in addition to LOS credit.
I think we'll certainly see a length of service credit for everyone.
Eagle, You may know that USAPAs push for DOH was not successful in their previous merger with AmWest. It may likely not be successful in an integration with APA.
There is some confusion about Third-List pilots, but there are two seniority lists at US Airways. Some pilots on each list were hired after the US Airways/America West merger. These pilots are "listed" as holding conditional notice to that previous merger. Meaning Third-List pilot seniority expectations are relatively less.
So, with all that... Congrats to those recently hired or returning to the newAA.
Involuntary furloughed pilots in the United SLI arbitration received credit for the length of service they were active. Voluntary furloughs also received a furlough credit in addition to LOS credit.
I think we'll certainly see a length of service credit for everyone.
Eagle, You may know that USAPAs push for DOH was not successful in their previous merger with AmWest. It may likely not be successful in an integration with APA.
There is some confusion about Third-List pilots, but there are two seniority lists at US Airways. Some pilots on each list were hired after the US Airways/America West merger. These pilots are "listed" as holding conditional notice to that previous merger. Meaning Third-List pilot seniority expectations are relatively less.
So, with all that... Congrats to those recently hired or returning to the newAA.
As far as LOS for the integration calculus...well, that's a whole other ballgame. I'm happy (and thankful, btw) to exercise my contractual right to defer and see how the whole mess is played out. When all is said and done, if it looks like I'm back near the bottom of the integrated list, I might just make the tough decision to gamble my career at JetBlue (or whoever buys us!).
#1444
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Joined APC: Jun 2008
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Gotcha. I guess I didn't word it correctly; I was simply talking about LOS for pay purposes. I hope you're correct that there is support for this. Browsing C&R doesn't give me a warm fuzzy however.
As far as LOS for the integration calculus...well, that's a whole other ballgame. I'm happy (and thankful, btw) to exercise my contractual right to defer and see how the whole mess is played out. When all is said and done, if it looks like I'm back near the bottom of the integrated list, I might just make the tough decision to gamble my career at JetBlue (or whoever buys us!).
As far as LOS for the integration calculus...well, that's a whole other ballgame. I'm happy (and thankful, btw) to exercise my contractual right to defer and see how the whole mess is played out. When all is said and done, if it looks like I'm back near the bottom of the integrated list, I might just make the tough decision to gamble my career at JetBlue (or whoever buys us!).
#1445
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2005
Posts: 1,425
Why would they not integrate the furloughed pilots as DOH? That doesn't seem right, that a furloughed guy would be behind a new hire potentially hired a decade after them. Or is it that the furloughs were given a chance to come back, and declined? I can kinda see both sides.
#1446
Are we there yet??!!
Joined APC: Apr 2006
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When you have guys that were on property with AA for less than a year and then furloughed vs US guys that are third-listers that have been on property for 5+ yrs. Is it fair for the AA guys that were barely on property to go senior to the guys that have been there for 5+ yrs? I would think not.
Personally, I think it will go LoS with fences.
Personally, I think it will go LoS with fences.
#1447
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When you have guys that were on property with AA for less than a year and then furloughed vs US guys that are third-listers that have been on property for 5+ yrs. Is it fair for the AA guys that were barely on property to go senior to the guys that have been there for 5+ yrs? I would think not.
Personally, I think it will go LoS with fences.
Personally, I think it will go LoS with fences.
#1448
When you have guys that were on property with AA for less than a year and then furloughed vs US guys that are third-listers that have been on property for 5+ yrs. Is it fair for the AA guys that were barely on property to go senior to the guys that have been there for 5+ yrs? I would think not.
Personally, I think it will go LoS with fences.
Personally, I think it will go LoS with fences.
I don't have a problem with a third lister flying their fenced off LCC opportunties and working into a proportion of that flying in the future operation when the fences drop.
But go entirely in front of AA furloughess based on LOS? Sorry, NFW.
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#1449
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When you have guys that were on property with AA for less than a year and then furloughed vs US guys that are third-listers that have been on property for 5+ yrs. Is it fair for the AA guys that were barely on property to go senior to the guys that have been there for 5+ yrs? I would think not.
Personally, I think it will go LoS with fences.
Personally, I think it will go LoS with fences.
#1450
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Joined APC: Aug 2006
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Originally Posted by Thedude
When you have guys that were on property with AA for less than a year and then furloughed vs US guys that are third-listers that have been on property for 5+ yrs. Is it fair for the AA guys that were barely on property to go senior to the guys that have been there for 5+ yrs? I would think not.
Personally, I think it will go LoS with fences.
I guess you've forgotten why they were furloughed. I haven't.
I don't have a problem with a third lister flying their fenced off LCC opportunties and working into a proportion of that flying in the future operation when the fences drop.
But go entirely in front of AA furloughess based on LOS? Sorry, NFW.
AA CA
Originally Posted by Thedude
When you have guys that were on property with AA for less than a year and then furloughed vs US guys that are third-listers that have been on property for 5+ yrs. Is it fair for the AA guys that were barely on property to go senior to the guys that have been there for 5+ yrs? I would think not.
Personally, I think it will go LoS with fences.
I guess you've forgotten why they were furloughed. I haven't.
I don't have a problem with a third lister flying their fenced off LCC opportunties and working into a proportion of that flying in the future operation when the fences drop.
But go entirely in front of AA furloughess based on LOS? Sorry, NFW.
AA CA
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