eaglefly

Not going to make that much effort, but you can read it for yourself. To assist you, see Para. 4 which stipulates the parties agreement to the process specified therein. Para. 5-6 specifically describes and anticipates USAPA's temporary existence. Para. 10 is the section USAPA is using to undermine the entire process and thus invalidate the MOU. Para. 26. describes how it is APA that files the single carrier petition in anticipation of them being the sole collective bargaining representative and last, but certainly not least is page 13., which includes Gary Hummel's signature agreeing to the MOU.

FreighterGuyNow

Thought so ..

Paragraph 4 refers to a new contract replacing the old one.


nce the MTA has been fully implemented, it shall fully displace and render a nullity any prior collective bargaining agreements applicable to US Airways pilots

Par 5 and 6 do not apply until the NMB issues a single carrier determination.

Airways, and its successors, if any, shall continue to recognize and treat with USAPA as the representative of the pilots employed by US Airways until another representative for the pilot craft or class is certified by the National Mediation Board (the "NMB").

Para 10 applies only to seniority integration. The Jcba can proceed as scheduled. Indeed is required to proceed:

it is understood that, in no event, shall the seniority integration arbitration proceeding commence prior to final approval of the JCBA


Hardly the claim you make this is undermining the entire MOU.

flybywire44

APA and USAPA cannot come to a mutual agreement. APA and USAPA collectively failed the timeline. NMB arbitration is the most expeditious means to make the protocol agreement move forward.

Otherwise, the MOU would have the protocol agreement remain unsettled till post-JCBA.

If the NMB gives USAPA and APA a list of 7 arbitrators, than we will have confirmation that USAPA's "attack" is not an has merit.

N43898

So just curious, are you guys saying that the JCBA will be very similar to the MOU? Though it is better, it is far behind in almost everything to United, Delta and Fedex.

Talk to guys at these companies, the MOU is far behind.

eaglefly

Sounds like you have nothing to worry about then. Congrats in advance on USAPA's certain victory !

eaglefly

You've convinced yourself, but you haven't convinced me. Like the other guy, since you've convinced yourself, you too have nothing to worry about. Of course, if they don't, I know to you guys it won't be validation that USAPA was full of it, it will be just another judge, arbitrator, union, management or internet yahoo who got it wrong, as always. I fully understand now the futility of arguing any merger issue with most Usapians because USAPA is righteous, always correct and the citadel of ethical propriety.

InformationEcho

Whatever the outcome, USAPA will fight against it.

Let them wither.

eaglefly

Well, 2016 should see the pay rates jump much closer to Delta and United and the 401(k) is competitive. No profit sharing and work rules in some cases are competitive and some not. How PBS is handled in the future will be the anchor of scheduling and QWL. We have to remember this MTA and the minor adjustments of the final JCBA are borne of a bankruptcy contract with limited ability to build upon. Leverage is everything and we didn't have that. We had it for a few days, but it was starting to become too effective and a robocall ended it.

There's no reward for self-inflicted wounds.

757HI

That's laughable, in a not very funny way. usucka walked out and had lawsuits (NMB petition, and injunction) filed almost simultaneously!

Those lawsuits came out so fast, usapa must have been working on them at the same time they were "participating" in the SLI protocol talks. "participating" as in someone showed up, but with no intention of making progress unless usapa got 100% of what it wants. Typical usapa. It took it's ball and went home in a huff….

We could all be moving on and getting this airline merged, getting the operations integrated.

AAG may be one of the three "big boys", but that does not mean it's invulnerable! We cannot afford to fart around with usucka while the competition gets out ahead of us.

Once again, usucka is the great divider, the obstacle.

Oh, who wrote Sec 10 anyway?? usucka.

eaglefly

Well, according to Para. 8 of the agreement I apparently don't understand (when interpreted in Usapian), once single-carrier is ruled and a single operating certificate is in place (imminent ?), then an 18 month clocks starts that will whack virtually all "protective" provisions that segregate each carriers flying rights and definition. After that, Parker is essentially free to do whatever he wants. The last aircraft projections I saw for 2014 had AA gaining 41 aircraft and U losing 16. Of course, U has some extra retirements, but I wonder if that trend will continue ? If Parker wants or needs it to continue, it will. Para 8., allows for Parker to furlough from U and rehire at AA (in accordance with the Nicolau flow-thru arbitration (FLO-0108, 4/9/10). After 18 months, who knows ?

USAPA is playing with fire if you ask me, but it wont be them that gets burned. Considering in the past (USAPA essentially being a fairly small contingent of very senior angry old men) they have been willing to cut off their noses to spite their face (working for almost a decade where F/O's made 2/3 of the average American Eagle captain and in some cases US Airways CAPTAINS made less then AE captains), would they be willing to repeat history ? Also considering this time THEY have gotten most, if not all the financial benefits it would then be those more junior that might pay the price, would they be willing to repeat history ? Sure looks like it to me. I don't see them losing much for going on a rampage just for the sport of poking Parker in the eye on the way out the door and I'd hate to see that happen, but once a bull gets out of control, it's very difficult to quiet and control him. Frequently, the only recourse is euthanasia and perhaps Parker had that in mind when he crafted the MOU with APA ?

If the bull decides to persue endless new ways to tip over this apple cart (which is looking to be the case), Parker built in an 18-month "poison pill" that let's him disregard virtually all protections and mix pilots and flying as he sees fit, i.e., furlough from one and hire at another.....or after 18 months maybe not hire ? Did CAL offer slots to all UAL furloughees after they merged and still technically separate SLI-wise when that side was hiring ? Unlike USAPA, he's apparently learned not to repeat past mistakes and has no plans to be held hostage by USAPA this time for longer then 18 months past single-carrier. Unfortunately, if this blows up, it may be those junior on the U side that become ill from this poison and it will have been USAPA that administered it to their own junior pilots like the Rev. Jim Jones did to his followers if this were to occur.

Perhaps many junior at US Airways and the third-list (non-East) crowd should in the words of a certain former freight guy, "sit up and take notice" ? It may be YOU that pays the price for the strategies and tactics of a small group of angry old men, because it almost certainly won't be them. They've already got theirs and are just clicking the DME down until retirement. A little fun before heading out to the pasture might not be so bad for them. You certainly wont be able to sue them for DFR. There's a 6-month time limit on that from the point you knew or should have known they were acting "in a discriminatory manner", "arbitrarily" or "acting in bad faith", but soon they won't even be a union to sue at some point. By the time those junior realized USAPA screwed them, it will be too late. They will have collaterally trashed the junior U pilots china shop this time before they fled out to pasture never to be seen again.