Hueypilot

That's a dumb question. On the flip side, do you think US Airways will adopt AA's A330 procedures? No? You guys don't have those jets? Exactly.

As it's been pointed out, AA is adopting the US Airways procedures for Airbus ops, and keeping LAA procedures for Boeing aircraft. What's your point? You seem to think that anything and everything we do must originate from the AA side of the house.

aa73

Just curious, what is rare about our 757/767 procedures? Honest question. When I left the fleet we were doing everything the Boeing way.

Justdoinmyjob

HP,
Don't sweat it. We had the same thing during the DL/NWA merger. There was the usual 1%ers who felt that their old way was the only way. We ended up doing "best practices," although initially it turned out 25% NWA, 75% DL procedures. Plus some totally new ones, neither side ever did. Since then, we have been slowly changing some things to the old NWA ways.

EMBFlyer

No offense to you intended. It may be the Boeing way (in fact, I'm pretty sure it is). Our procedures were just simplified. It's been an adjustment to the checklist philosophy that we've had to adopt. Part of it may be due to the fact we don't have a mechanical checklist installed. The USAir QRH was more advanced and more helpful. The Boeing QRH doesn't direct you to many places. You have to figure out where you need to go when you finish one. The USAir QRH directed you to the next step (although, I guess we're paid to be pilots after all). One big thing was the way our manuals were laid out. I'm finding it very hard to find information I need in the AA manuals. The USAir manuals were very logical in how they were laid out and everything was pretty much at your fingertips (and not in 3-4 separate places).

I guess I got spoiled by simplified procedures on the Airbus.

Frisco727

Dumb question?
It's called sarcasm.

As far as procedures are concerned, I hear a lot of complaining about AA procedures. I understand that the AM West procedures were changed because LUS was the larger company. Maybe it's your turn to adopt the procedures of the larger company....

Frisco727

Those commuters are welcome, as long as they don't pull that, "alcohol on your breath" stunt as suggested earlier.

Yes, we agree on the uniform.

A big thumbs down from me as well.

Cheers

Sweatsock

Can't speak about the Boeing stuff, but as far as the bus the new procedures we are getting make little sense.

For 17 years the bus did automatic inrange report, now they cant, We have to do position reports once an hour domestically, but the bus already sends aircraft status in real time to ops, they can even see which autopilot is currently active and what the engines are doing etc.

The new performance stuff now requires that you look to 3 different places to load t/o performance (TPS, gate download, and final close out) Used to be all on one printout sent during taxi for 2 active runways and 2 flap settings.

Seems like they just gave the bus a lobotomy for no other reason that to be doing it the AAmerican way.

Oh well, just send the check to the correct bank account!

EMBFlyer

That's the wAAy we've AAlways done it!

Hueypilot

As pointed out, many of the "procedures of the larger company" make no sense.

Our new ACARS formAAt is maddening. I've never had more button pushes in my life just to do simple things. We had a pretty streamlined way of doing things that worked very well. Now it's unnecessarily complicated...I guess simply because you guys are "larger". I'll end this with the fact that larger does not always equal "better".

Frisco727

It makes sense for AA to adopt the Airbus procedUreS, LUS has the larger fleet. I don't expect John Hope, who was LUS to adopt AA's procedUreS. So, the AAirbus pilots may find some of the LUS procedUreS frustrating.

The AACARS format is not that complicated it's just a matter of learning the new system.