justjack

The very presence of union buster, Mr. Glass, immediately hurls me into combative mode. This should serve as a wake up call. I was beginning to exhale, just ever so slightly.There is nothing - no move, now from Parker that we should not consider suspect.

aa73

Riddle me this.

Delta exits Bk and gets a kick a$$ contract. Apparently Richard Anderson opens his wallet to preserve labor peace.

United exits Bk and gets a kick a$$ contract under which Smisek also goes the distance to ensure labor peace.

Why should we be any different??? Why are Parker and Kirby breaking the mold - right at the time when they NEED labor peace?

This is gonna get ugly. The pilots of AA have been through this before, fall 2012. The wounds are still fresh.

Skubajet

I'm a little concerned about this profit sharing. We should definitely get it, but if we do like everyone is hoping, there is going to be quite some animosity between other labor groups (flight attendants and rampers) in the airline against the pilots. This will not be a positive force toward the morale at AA. Just something to think about. I'd be happy with a significant percentage increase over DAL rates to make up for it.

I must be missing something. DP should just give everyone profit sharing. Either he is really stupid or really smart but it seems like its the first one because whether we as pilots get it or not, there will be unhappy labor groups. I mean look at delta and southwest, both successful AND happy labor groups...it isn't rocket science.

justjack

Take a realistic look at all of the other airlines that Parker/Kirby (now Glass again) have managed. Management always had the upper hand. Parker does not know how to run a successful airline under any other circumstance. Name one airline, name one instance, in the past where Parker was playing on an even playing field with labor.
These employees all got behind Parker when it looked like the merger was not going to happen. Before that, the very reason that USAirways lived to see the day that there was a chance for a merger was because pf employee concessions. Look at Jerry Glass's history. Find one case where it went well for labor.
I say let this go to arbitration.

aa73

^^^makes sense

I could be wrong but didn't jerry glass work at delta too at some time?

PurpleTurtle

Jerry Glass | F&H Solutions Group

Do a YouTube search on him and you can see him crowing about DeltaNorthwest FAs rejecting the union.

drinksonme

Never mind......

Diesel1030

Agreed.. Pennies on the dollar to help ensure good morale and start kicking a$$.

NO SCOPE GIVES...

Mr Glass can come on in and APA should walk right out the door into arbitration where I'll happily wait for our pay parity if he even attempts scope concessions. Scope cannot be arbitrated.

dynamic psi

Stand strong, we at envoy are trying to hold fast in the face of round 4 with Glass and company. DO NOT BEND when it comes to scope.

TRZ06

First, Ive never heard of this guy Glass but if what is said is only half true, the writing is on the wall. Second, from what little Ive seen of DP since the merger, he seems to be a fervent delegator. It makes sense he would bring in someone to do the dirty work. I imagine the company will send out a contract proposal directly to the membership...an end around play bypassing the union negotiators completely. This is all very traditional American from the past, albeit under new management. For me, this is the bottom-line. Others have wondered why management wouldn't use this opportunity to build a new relationship going forward. Although I think this would be a smart move, I feel all they want is the cheapest labor force they can get away with. For them that cost advantage realized outweighs any morale issues with personnel, and in the end Wall Street is happy with the numbers. Certainly it is not the strategy of Delta, but it appears to be the same strategy used at America West and US Air. We will head down the road of Arbitration. DP will swear we could have done better with what was offered before arbitration. And with the cost neutral basis that has to be followed, I expect we'll see something close to our initially agreed upon MOU. Why else would he not even deal on the low/no cost items APA sent him? Why would he bring back the Scope provision?
DP knows darn well he'll be almost as happy with the arbiter's decision and the airline lumbers onward none the worse for what has happened. Like every management team we've had from Crandall on, the all too familiar "its only business...nothing personal" attitude seems to be the mantra. You can bet that labor's response both now and in the future will continue to be "you get what you pay for!" and the rest is History repeating itself again, and again, and again.