A321

With this shove-down-the-throat JCBA and MOU with hands tied in bk, we are now locked into the lowest compensation of the 3 legacy carriers until 2019. Giving away profit sharing was one of the biggest mistakes this pilot group could have ever committed.

Let us not make the same mistakes again.
Pay attention to the psychology used against this pilot group.
Do not allow yourself to be played, and let us not be played against each other, as this management group did with AW/US.

Julio

What would you expect in 2019? I'm new to the industry, thanks.

80ktsClamp

Keep in mind that chart was made a few days ago by DL mgmt as a way of scolding us for turning down the TA.

A321

Don't be scolded. Fight for it!

Thanks for voting the TA down and fighting for something more. That's bolder and braver than how the AA/US pilots folded.

andrewtac

Me too, hope AA is in a good spot then. UAL and DAL should have higher pay then (base only, and still have PS on top of that). The price of fuel should stay low for some time and profits should stay high. Hopefully 2019 will be good for pilots at AA.

LuckyNow

Judging from my career arc so far, we'll get profit sharing in 2019, only due to the cyclical nature of this business, the profits will have dried up. That said, who else thinks we'd be crazy NOT to hedge fuel now while it's rock bottom?

A321

AA pilots are frustrated because originally their contract was supposed to be amendable starting with openers in Jan 2017, but the pilot group stupidly traded big pay raises in 2015 for another 2 years on the contract with openers not until Jan 2019. Big, short sighted mistake.

2019 is too far away to predict the economic climate, fuel prices, etc.

eaglefly

Most likely another round of "kick the can". With easily the cheapest pilots among the big 3, there's little incentive for Parker to even offer higher rates, unless he want's scope relief quickly.

To give industry equal rates (or leading by pennies), he'll want Group 1 scope, further relaxation of LTD, more reserve flexibility, including airport standby as a minimum. If we go for it again, he'll get most of the rate increase back from the increased productivity and outsourcing as well as increased insurance costs leaving us no better off and 25% stupider. If we balk, he'll tell us to let him know if we change our minds and tell the media and analysts he offered industry leading pay to his pilots again and we rejected it.

A reasonable possibility though either Ft. Fumble or a majority cry from pilots would put whatever Parker offered up for vote which would likely pass and wa'la...........history repeats itself like it all to frequently does.

Bon Appetit !

Name User

It was a year and one day extension on the contract. An opener is just that, if you were seriously thinking we'd get a contract early I have a bridge to sell you.

The MOU was what handicapped us not voting yes/no on that contract. I think it was our only play.

I can't believe I'm saying this but I'm siding with the company here... we signed our contract, it's done. We aren't going to get retroactive increases because of UAL and DAL leapfrogging us in the future unless it's built into the contract, which it isn't, begging management for a revisit just puts us in a weaker position.

eaglefly

Of course the flip-side of over-expectation is expecting the employees to collectively match the Delta product considering the bad taste of how they feel they've been taken advantage of by someone who anchored his arrival as one who said he would change the culture for the better which has gotten arguably worse.

No free rides and I think it's folly to expect to mimic Delta with a Walmart philosophy towards your employees. Thus, I think with virtual certainty and despite pretty new packaging, the new AA will walk in the foot prints of the old AA, just bigger. As long as all the present financial tailwinds remain in place enriching management, the BOD's and the shareholders, it's all good, but when headwinds kick in and it's the front-mine employees who can really make a difference, I think that's when the chickens come home to roost. It seems more and more, I see the "do the minimum and go home" philosophy in play and how can you blame anyone for that ?

We'll never catch Delta that way, that's for certain, but as I said before, maybe that's not the real goal ?