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There was one action found to be a dfr failure-10h. I disagree with the 9th on that, but that's the way the system works. You got your remedy.

The MOU was a do over. It got us out of our quagmire. One side, the east came off it's position (DOH ). The other agreed to, the west, but had their fingers crossed and went to court. It really got you nothing and the do over continues.

It's over. We're just waiting to see what the do over contains and I don't believe it was a grand slam for the east.

PurpleTurtle

Any elimination or moderation of the Nic is an East win and a West loss. If you wear a $20 cheep a$$ tie that cost you $675 you don't want to lose an inch.

East wins, to that extent, but I also agree it won't be a grand slam because of the LOS adjustment (West has less furlough time). And truthfully the West still has a lottery ticket when you confess that no one really ever grew up wanting to ever work for AWA... and now look how awesome it has turned out!

Wiskey Driver

As you indicated in the very first sentence "the first proposed ratio" was just that, first proposed. The ratio changed on our part but it was used to match up to the initial east proposal which never changed from DOH. Well I guess to be fair I would have to say that the east position did in fact change from DOH but only after and arbitrator had made his ruling.

Now if you are going to get into these specifics with me TR, at a minimum you need to better arm yourself with proper information. The west's final proposal was a major step from the initial proposal, but you my friend can not provide any proof of the east's move off of its stance of DOH and I think it was summed up best by the east merger attorney Dan Katz when asked by George if there had been any movement. The answer was they stand on their position of DOH.

The current panel is now changed with trying to unravel this mess you've created. I highly doubt that they started with 3 lists as if the last merger never happened. To do that they would most certainly have to start from scratch and that would create even more headaches. I won't speculate on what they will or won't do, I will however say that the information being passed on this thread is not a true and accurate measure of the final outcome. One needs only to ask themselves the obvious question of why have this rebuttal phase if the final decision has already been made. I would be willing to bet that they have put together a few different lists and now the members get to say how this would or would not impact the groups for which they represent.

The people making these bold statements here are merely doing what the east has done in the past and this is managing expectations which also proved to be a bad deal then as well.

WD

Wiskey Driver

Prove it.

WD

DarinFred

I couldn't really care less. I'm just posting what I've heard. I could be 100% wrong.

R57 relay

WD, those words above are not mine, they are George Nicolau 's. He obviously didn't think that you made any substantial changes. Again read his words.

My understanding is that the time for adjustment in this merger was post hearings, when the teams got together privately with the panel. This phase is more of a gross error check.

I could be wrong, but given your track record, I bet you are.

Wiskey Driver

Well I beg to differ on your statement of your caring less, why even comment if that were the case? I will say that it's not worth a prolonged discussion about it. I can say with certainty that no one or committee has at this stage any real insight into the final product other than the one's making the decision and even they are asking the members for some guidance with this rebuttal phase.

WD

Wiskey Driver

I am not disputing who said it, only that those are his words prior to that unprecedented 30 day cooling off period. There were significant west changes after that but no east move from its DOH position.

In terms of who is correct or incorrect I think someone once stated that you are never wrong about anything ever. I think that either makes you the worlds smartest person or the luckiest.

Good luck to you in this thing I sure you will do just fine.

WD

R57 relay

Me never wrong? I'm wrong about things every day. What you will rarely see from me are definative statements about future events that I don't control.

Read Nicolau's words again. You might have thought you made huge changedls, he did not.

Upsddown

That's not true. The SLI committee members have a very good understanding of what the arbs are proposing the list look like. Rebuttal is not a do over for the hearings.