TOGAANG

Whole career is 28 years for me I hope but I doubt we will be at the bottom the entire time. Is what we get paid good, yes. Is it great or industry leading, no way. Can I live with it until 2020, sure.

I hope we all remember this and when we negotiate a new contract in 2019 I hope we incorporate work rules over pay, but yes pay will hopefully exceed the others.

Arado 234

Would you please stop inserting those pesky (important) little details? We got egos to mAAintAAin here!

"I am flying to Hawaii!"

450knotOffice

It IS important, no doubt about it.

My response to the UA guy was that new hires DO fly to the islands. That's all. Everything else he said was spot on.

As for your continual dig on AA pilots...you don't even know how arrogant you sound, apparently. I paraphrase when I say "everything we at LUS did was better, bla bla bla."

Arrogance. But of course you don't see that, because, well, you 're too arrogant to.


IN case you haven't noticed by now, nearly EVERYONE at AA agrees that our contract blows in general. I've met very very few who disagree with that position. I personally helped a resolution get passed at an LAX APA meeting to explore the idea of joining ALPA, and I believe many (probably most) here would like to see a change. With that said, you just keep harping and harping about how AArogant we are.

Pot. Meet kettle.

Arado 234

If you say so, more power to you.

450knotOffice

No. No "power to" me. We're all in this together. For whatever reason, however, you seem to feel it's you (enlightened LUS folks) vs. us (idiot LAA folk). It's not. We are all in this together and want to make this a better place to work.

How about you stop with the constant attacks against those who are now considered your co-workers. WE want improvements to our sub-par contract as much as you do.

Sliceback

If you want to live anywhere, as the UA new hire who went to SFO did, you can make almost every airline work. But if you want a specific airline you have to hope they hire you.

If you live in CT/NY/NJ/PA/MD you have access to all of the Big 3 between JFK/EWR/PHL/DCA/IAD. That's where the head scratching starts if you get multiple offers.

Recent DL new hire. Late 30's. Retires around 1700. AA? 600.
What's a 38 yr old new hire retire at UA?

Recent DL new hire. Mid 40's. Retires around 2500. AA? 1700.
He thinks UA is 2800(3100??).

UA has about 50%+ more large w/b's than AA so 500 at AA is similar to 900 at UA. Or #2000 at AA is like #3200 bidding power at UA.

DL has less large w/b's, but a larger percentage of 767's than AA, so the prediction gets tougher. Do you reach 777 seniority or just 767 seniority? Just a WAG but #1000 at AA might be the same as #750 at DL, but 2000 at AA would be like 2600 at DL.

QuagmireGiggity

It's not that I'm not happy to be here it's the fact that whats-his-fart get's $13 million to quit and go to United. Meanwhile the carpet when you come through that door in Miami stinks to high heaven, chairs that are almost painful they're so uncomfortable. What a stinkhole. I just want to get paid for my 4 slash trip days this month. That's four days of my life I don't get paid.
I get it we have a contract but it's my belief that Management is taking advantage of a loophole because there was nothing in the contract forbidding it. Still shocked you can't get premium rate unless they feel it's necessary. Even my regional paid an OT rate for doing OT.
That's B.S. Any flying on what would have been a scheduled day off should be Premium rate.

TOGAANG

Slice,
I have a buddy who is 43 and got hired at AA Feb 2016. He will retire right around 1000 which is better than 1700 but that is splitting hairs.

I wouldn't say UA has 50%+ more CAT 4 WB (including 764). Counting off airline pilotcentral AA has 112 to UA's 140. Now that is today and not 5 years from now but we all have orders in to buy more. I would say it is closer to 25% more. The great thing about AA is we pay in CAT bands vs aircraft. So a 787 pays same as 330, 777, 350, 764 which isn't true at DL or UA. But again we are all splitting hairs when it comes to Top 3. It'll change minimum 3 more times in a 20+ year career.

TOGAANG

Let me fix one thing, UA does pay the same for 787 or 777 where DL does not. I miss quoted that earlier.

AFPirate

My numbers that I've put together -- WB fleet comparison between AA and UA indicates 214 (UA) to 199 (AA) with WB orders at 67 (UA) to 44 (AA). If the A350 orders remain in play for UA, that would leave a UA WB fleet that is some 15% larger than AA. These are fleet numbers that I've pulled from databases other than APC.

https://sites.google.com/site/newame...rican-mainline

https://sites.google.com/site/united...fleet-tracking

Off-topic, I get caught up in the 752 fleet numbers which really makes DAL seem like a larger WB fleet than in reality (112, 51, 56 for DAL, AA, UA respectively in terms of 752s). I can't really give the 752 a true WB inclusion because the 739ER and the 321 carry just about the same amount...plus most of the 752s are getting retired.

They mentioned in training that UA has more long haul WB aircraft (requiring 4 pilot crews) than the other two legacies combined but I haven't been able to divine that with the fleet numbers I have...