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ZapBrannigan
06-23-2008, 06:15 PM
Well, it's been 3 and a half years since I last put on an airline uniform. It's been 6 since I last sat in the cockpit of a 737 working for a major airline. With the introduction of the "leaving the career" section, I thought it appropriate to update you on my decision in case it helps anyone else.

Last August I was finally recalled by US Airways. After much deliberation, hours upon hours talking with my wife, my friends, my family, coworkers, etc. I elected to stay in corporate aviation. From time to time over the last year or so I have felt some regret over that decision. Shadows of shiny-jet-syndrome that occasionally pop-up.

But at the end of the day, I think i'm better off than I was before. Had I gone back to the airlines I would undoubtedly have been junior reserve for a long, long time. (If I managed to remain employed through this downturn). That would mean weekends, holidays, and special occasions spent on trips or in crashpads. (Seriously -- would you have moved to Philly?)

Here I make decent money. Not getting rich, but not starving either. I am home most nights. At most I spend 4 or 5 nights a month away from home. I spend nearly every weekend at home, and have not worked a major holiday since i've been here. I am usually on the ground by 17:30, walking in my door by 18:00 -- in time to play with my son for a while before his 19:30 bedtime. The equipment is maintained well, and the other pilots are a pretty good group of talented and safety conscious people.

What i've learned is that there is more to life than an airline career. Although I never expected to take this turn, here I am... and I really don't miss the airline lifestyle much. In a way I feel like the airlines were a single man's job. This job is much better suited to a family.

So 6 and a half years since my major airline furlough... and 3 and a half years since I gave up on the airlines and left my last airline job -- i'm doing ok. It was not a life altering event. I don't feel as though I gave up on my dream... I just modified it a little bit.

Good luck to all considering leaving the hat and stripes behind. I know it's a tough decision and if anyone ever wants to talk about how I made it, feel free to drop me a PM.

-Zap
Former 737...Former DC9...Former CRJ...Former D328...Former SF340...Former J31...

...Current Learjet pilot.


saabguy493
06-23-2008, 07:49 PM
I bet you miss the Saab the most out of all those aircraft!?!?

ZapBrannigan
06-24-2008, 03:29 AM
Saab had the most comfortable, well thought out cockpit of all of those airplanes. But...it was an A model...


Rook
06-24-2008, 08:16 AM
Great story Zap. Thanks for sharing. Hoping to follow your footsteps someday.

Ewfflyer
06-25-2008, 05:23 AM
Great story Zap. Thanks for sharing. Hoping to follow your footsteps someday.

+1, thanks for sharing......makes me appreciate that I never went 121!

SeatMeat
06-25-2008, 08:08 AM
I think your story is one that we should all take to heart. The fact that you didn't continue with your 121 career and stayed on the corp. side shows that your were flexable and accepted the changes that your flying career gave you.

A furlough is not the end of a flying career. It seems to me that others don't take it that way.

the King
06-26-2008, 12:52 PM
Hooray for the J31. I'm certainly glad I'm in a 135 charter/sales group instead of an airline right now.

ZapBrannigan
06-26-2008, 05:45 PM
We mustn't anger the mighty Jetstream gods lest they come down and smite thee.

the King
06-26-2008, 08:06 PM
Certainly not, for we cannot blame the autopilot.

HercDriver130
07-02-2008, 02:46 AM
My story is a bit like Zaps.... though different....

7 years flying the herc.....

followed by 3 years flying an ATR.....

followed by 12 years OUT of the business....

Today I commute to ATL for my last 121 trip on the E170...

in 10 days or so I start training in the Citation Encore for a corp outfit with 5 of them..... no commuting, pay is decent, ......QOL is what it is about.

jumppilot03
07-02-2008, 09:23 AM
HercDriver are you starting with a law firm in MO? They are the only company I know of with that may Encores.

HercDriver130
07-02-2008, 10:03 AM
I think the actual break down is 3 encores 2 bravos......and no its not in MO.

TonyMontana
07-11-2008, 07:30 PM
My story is a bit like Zaps.... though different....

7 years flying the herc.....

followed by 3 years flying an ATR.....

followed by 12 years OUT of the business....

Today I commute to ATL for my last 121 trip on the E170...

in 10 days or so I start training in the Citation Encore for a corp outfit with 5 of them..... no commuting, pay is decent, ......QOL is what it is about.


Just curious Herc, What did you do in the 12 years you were out of the business?

acl65pilot
08-25-2008, 07:07 PM
I think most would jump from the airlines is they could make 150K a year in the end. Most know it is a combination of money, and the home like. With out money the Mrs. will want you to have a second job.
I love the job I have, but given the right opportunity, I too would jump. It just needs to eventually have the money of a mid level Captain at a major to do so.

ZapBrannigan
08-26-2008, 04:03 AM
Don't think i'll ever make $150K a year in this job. Maybe touch six figures if i'm lucky.

Ah well. Maybe in my next life.

DAWGS
08-26-2008, 06:03 AM
It all boils down to what you like. Having done both, (corp and 121), I personally have to go with 121 regardless of money. Once you have a little seniority, it allows you have much more choice and flxiblilty than corporate allows. Ex. bases, equipment, time off, schedule. I average 16 days off a month. The past two months I have had 18 days off. If I want to make more money I fly more. Some people like flying with the same people and developing relationships with the execs. I personally like being a number and flying with new people. In corporate, flying with the same pilot all the time, the habits of the other pilot start getting old (their noises, manerisms, etc) kinda of like flying with your brother after a while, only your with him for a long time in a small space.

As I said I think it all comes down to the individual. The key is to know your likes and dislikes. All in all I'll take 121.

Dawgs

Marvin
09-05-2008, 04:29 AM
It all boils down to what you like. Having done both, (corp and 121), I personally have to go with 121 regardless of money. Once you have a little seniority, it allows you have much more choice and flxiblilty than corporate allows. Ex. bases, equipment, time off, schedule. I average 16 days off a month. The past two months I have had 18 days off. If I want to make more money I fly more. Some people like flying with the same people and developing relationships with the execs. I personally like being a number and flying with new people. In corporate, flying with the same pilot all the time, the habits of the other pilot start getting old (their noises, manerisms, etc) kinda of like flying with your brother after a while, only your with him for a long time in a small space.

As I said I think it all comes down to the individual. The key is to know your likes and dislikes. All in all I'll take 121.

Dawgs

If you can stay hired ... there is some degree of timing involved there.

kt61
09-05-2008, 08:34 PM
I'm jealous of both Zap & Herc... I'd go back to flying fulltime in a second for a decent corporate job. Who needs 150k for good QOL and high 5 figures?

ZapBrannigan
09-06-2008, 04:15 AM
I have days when I wish I could go back to just bidding a schedule. I miss flying mindless LGA turns. Other days I really like it here. I guess it just depends.

I suppose i'll always have some regrets. Maybe when my son is a little older i'll apply at SWA or FedEx and see what happens. <shrug>

atpwannabe
09-07-2008, 02:49 PM
A straight to the point & touching story Zap. Hope you're happy; sounds like your are.:)

All the best.




atp

HercDriver130
09-07-2008, 07:59 PM
The thing I like MOST about this new gig... well the airports are always different....at least mostly they are. The clients are mostly nice, pleasant.... etc. I have worked on average 10 days each month since coming here. Yes I am on call much of the month... but havent been called out YET.....I have been gone two nights in two months... now october will be different with some long range scheduling in place, but still overall my QOL is much better than my years of 121 ....... to each his own.