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OK, so are we going to make this thing work, or no.

I, for one, am ready to move ahead, and try to find a way to make this thing work.

I'll lose in DOH, I'll come out ahead in relative percentage. But you know what, I don't really care. I want what makes my airline stronger in the end, and what makes my paycheck bigger.

This is a rambling post, I know, but let's not get bogged down in things that, in the end, don't amount to much.

We'll all be alright.


Let's go Redtails and Redneck Boys!

Oh Yeah, Air France and KLM and (soon to be) Alitallia are no big deal>?/>

Maybe:D

I want what makes my airline stronger in the end, and what makes my paycheck bigger.Good point - look at the weaker airlines these days - either going out of business, bankruptcy or furloughing. I don't want any of those options - a stronger Delta is good for everyone who is employed there.

I think everybody wants this! Let's get going! QOL, more money, and (hopefully) no layoffs...

finally!! Some more glass half full guys!! I am in complete agreement, getter dun ;)

Wow, Its great to read some positive posts. I am a new hire and it is a very scary time. I hope we can all come together and realize we have the best thing going for us with this merger. Pilots are generally only about self gain. We will all have some sacrafice, but in the end I am confident in this management and their plans. Good luck to all and remember that it could be you in the bottom 950 at UAL!!!!!!

Finally a positive post. I'm sure someone will bust the bubble, but we should all think about a few things. Who knows what will happen tomorrow or next week. It is all about the OIL. I see a lot of posts that slam airline vs. airline (to include the people that work for them). Remember that we all took the job that we have because it was the best offer at the time -- not because it was the team that we have championed since birth. Pilots are a brotherhood that is an elite talent and discipline. If we keep our jobs, be thankful, humble and tasteful, because our BROTHERS may not be so fortunate. Maybe this is too much military camaraderie, but what got us to this point in the first place? Respect for an airline pilot and a tour bus driver should never be in correlation. Money will be paid, and money will always be made on air travel...regardless of the OIL price (it may just be in the form of an executive bonus, but the money is still made). So how do we make it clear to the people--whom will always be paying these fares--that the two individuals in the front of the tube are extraordinary humans that will wisk them from one point on God's green earth to the other in the fastest, safest, and most economical manner possible because they are battle-tested, FAA scrutinized, and self-critical, perfection-driven professionals? We unite, but we do it in a respectful way. Don't crap on you brothers to make the point. I am truly happy to be here.

Semper Fi!

I guess we will know tonight what the contract holds. My sources say: a no furlough clause, immediate pay parity, and an equity payout. That amounts to a livable first year for me.

I think all sides will be happy. (Of course, I am sure some people will still complain)...

:cool:

SOFA,
Solid post. Your motivation is contagious. I don't work at either of these airlines, but I have a common service background with you. I knew a Marine pilot would get it during these times. It just takes a few moments of being on the working end of an RPG, an 82 MM mortar system, or any Soviet bloc light calibre weapon and overcoming that foe to know that our industry's challenges are sumountable. There are far worse plights to threaten us in this world. Fly safely. Always Faithful!

hey while we are at it why not merge all the airlines into the US Airline Utility and reregulate it!

I guess we will know tonight what the contract holds. My sources say: a no furlough clause, immediate pay parity, and an equity payout. That amounts to a livable first year for me.

I think all sides will be happy. (Of course, I am sure some people will still complain)...

:cool:

A no furlough clause, effective immediately with the merge? Sounds like a dream... Hope it comes true. Good luck guys.

A no furlough clause, effective immediately with the merge? Sounds like a dream... Hope it comes true. Good luck guys.

If it's the same one we got in LOA 19, it's even more worthless than most. No furloughs as a result of the merger. Hmm... Let me see... What else might we be able to blame the furloughs on???

Honestly, right now the best furlough protection we have is the fact that they would be furloughing a lot of guys off the ER and have to re-train a bunch of MD-88 pilots to fill those positions.

Finally a positive post. I'm sure someone will bust the bubble, but we should all think about a few things. Who knows what will happen tomorrow or next week. It is all about the OIL. I see a lot of posts that slam airline vs. airline (to include the people that work for them). Remember that we all took the job that we have because it was the best offer at the time -- not because it was the team that we have championed since birth. Pilots are a brotherhood that is an elite talent and discipline. If we keep our jobs, be thankful, humble and tasteful, because our BROTHERS may not be so fortunate. Maybe this is too much military camaraderie, but what got us to this point in the first place? Respect for an airline pilot and a tour bus driver should never be in correlation. Money will be paid, and money will always be made on air travel...regardless of the OIL price (it may just be in the form of an executive bonus, but the money is still made). So how do we make it clear to the people--whom will always be paying these fares--that the two individuals in the front of the tube are extraordinary humans that will wisk them from one point on God's green earth to the other in the fastest, safest, and most economical manner possible because they are battle-tested, FAA scrutinized, and self-critical, perfection-driven professionals? We unite, but we do it in a respectful way. Don't crap on you brothers to make the point. I am truly happy to be here.

Semper Fi!

Uhhhh.... great post.

Only.... I did choose my airline because it was "the team I had championed since birth." I didn't apply anywhere else.:D

That and I'm straight civilian because at the time Uncle Sam didn't like that I was only correctable to 20/10 and not that way naturally. Oh well his loss and mine.

Semper Fi, ur.....uhh.... Go Delta!:)

A no furlough clause, effective immediately with the merge? Sounds like a dream... Hope it comes true. Good luck guys.
And then what happens after the first year of no furloughs?:rolleyes:
A year goes by very fast these days.

If it's the same one we got in LOA 19, it's even more worthless than most. No furloughs as a result of the merger. Hmm... Let me see... What else might we be able to blame the furloughs on???

Honestly, right now the best furlough protection we have is the fact that they would be furloughing a lot of guys off the ER and have to re-train a bunch of MD-88 pilots to fill those positions.

100% accurate!

The new agreement is no furloughs for two years, about 10 percent pay raise, with annual pay raises of 4 percent, better work rules, improved retirement, and a small equity share. Who could complain? This merger is a win situation for everyone, including the new hires.

The new agreement is no furloughs for two years, about 10 percent pay raise, with annual pay raises of 4 percent, better work rules, improved retirement, and a small equity share. Who could complain? This merger is a win situation for everyone, including the new hires.

Don't tell that to some of the dedicated DAL "NO" voters it will destroy their tantrums.;)

I just cant believe some of the people on here were dedicated die hard DALPA followers for LOA 19 and now suddenly disagree with their reps UNANIMOUS suggestions and have turned their backs on them. :cool:

I don't know any Delta pilots who liked LOA 19. However it was excepted as a stepping stone to set the bar higher for the joint contract. The joint contract did not even budge the bar. That is what Delta pilots don't like.

I don't know any Delta pilots who liked LOA 19. However it was excepted as a stepping stone to set the bar higher for the joint contract. The joint contract did not even budge the bar. That is what Delta pilots don't like.


Well thats probably because the industry, economy, and Oil keep getting worse everyday. Anyone who things our negotiating power for "more" will increase if we wait needs there head examined. Oil isnt going down anytime soon and the economy is in the tank. we will be lucky to have an industry if this keeps getting worse. We need to get this done in order to give OUR company the best shot at survival. All we have to do is out last the others and then when things turn around we will have all the negotiating power we need for "more". we had "more" in feb and things were pushed off and because of both sides attempting hardball, hopefully we have learned not to push it off anymore. What happened with "you guys need to get on board the train before it leaves mentality" all of a sudden?

I must be getting senile,I'm agreeing more with the Redtail logic than my brother Widget logic.

I must be getting senile,I'm agreeing more with the Redtail logic than my brother Widget logic.

I think most people have gotten knocked down off of the high horse mentality and have realized that continuing to bunt heads is nothing more than a waste of time and further hurts our position. I think its great we are moving forward together and hopefully we can continue to buck the trend in this crazy industry.

Uh...rr...if you didn't apply anywhere else and relied on your legendary skill to nail the job at your (ONE and ONLY) dream job of Delta, then you are Truly the ONE. It is an honor meeting you, SIR. The rest of us are just stick and throttle pushers trying to make a living, so I am sorry to have offended you. Are you sure that is was your VISION or Esprit de Corps that Uncle Sam had a problem with????

Uh...rr...if you didn't apply anywhere else and relied on your legendary skill to nail the job at your (ONE and ONLY) dream job of Delta, then you are Truly the ONE. It is an honor meeting you, SIR. The rest of us are just stick and throttle pushers trying to make a living, so I am sorry to have offended you. Are you sure that is was your VISION or Esprit de Corps that Uncle Sam had a problem with????

I didn't apply anywhere else either. :cool: So count me as the second ONE and then keep counting because there are a lot of us here at DAL who did just that. And I'm sure NWA has a lot in MSP as well.

I personally had no interest whatsoever in CAL, UAL and never would've in a million years considered NWA. I flew enough in the regionals and lived in too many bases I had no ties too and sacrified too much time away from family (so that I could be a "stick and throttle pusher") to know that when it came to me personally it was either DAL or nothing. In fact, for a while nothing would've been fine except that DAL was just so damn good.

Also, the military wasn't an option for me either thanks to my pre-lasik vision. So I guess you can question my Espirit de Corps too... but that seems a bit pointless given that it would be a lot more interesting to know why a lot of us gladly would just stick to LOA 19.

I didn't apply anywhere else either. :cool: So count me as the second ONE and then keep counting because there are a lot of us here at DAL who did just that. And I'm sure NWA has a lot in MSP as well.



True that, I never ever considered Delta.

Another who only considered Delta, FedEx, UPS and SWA. Just do the math. It takes too long to break even from a $80K regional Capt. gig.

Atlanta base, international growth, good working environment. Turns out Delta not only was the best place to apply, it has been the best place to work. Most of us just hope nothing changes.

If this SLI works the way it is supposed to, status quo should be protected.

True that, I never ever considered Delta.

Another NWA guy who did just the same here. I turned down a DAL job offer. NWA was a much better fit for me and I'm having a blast flying cargo out of ANC. But like I said before, there is nothing the pilot group can do to stop the merger. We might as well stop the pansy internal fighting and get unified to make the merged Delta the airline of all our dreams.

Frieghtguy:

You are right and hopefully, this airline will be big enough for us all to do the flying we enjoy.

Frieghtguy:

You are right and hopefully, this airline will be big enough for us all to do the flying we enjoy.

Agreed!! :D

Frieghtguy:

You are right and hopefully, this airline will be big enough for us all to do the flying we enjoy.

Thank you. I have great hopes for the new merged Delta as well.

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What love :rolleyes:

Those of you that only applied at one place must be quite confident in your abilities and ability to interview. I applied at so many places I can't begin to list them all, notably Delta, NWA, Piedmont, Western, American, Customs, a government agency along the upper Potomac, and the NTSB. I had class dates/offers from the above, and the NWA class date was first and had no "B" scale so I came here. No regrets. This is my job, this is not my life. My life is great, my job is okay. No amount of corporate "love" from the world's biggest airline really matters to me. I am grateful for my job and believe this merger is a positive step for me personally, I can hardly wait to fly with a copilot so Sierra Hotel that he/she only applied at one place. It ought to be an eye opener!

Those of you that only applied at one place must be quite confident in your abilities and ability to interview.

I think a lot of military and corporate guys are/were in the same situation; they already have a pretty good job, and will only leave it for a new job that they consider better.

I only applied at two airlines; Delta and American. (I was already in Delta's schoolhouse when American offered me an interview.) Why only two airlines? I was in the Navy, doing pretty well there, and enjoying it somewhat.

I got out in '99 when EVERYONE was hiring. Sent apps everywhere. Heard back from NWA, UAL, DAL, FEDEX, and American. Didn't hear from US Air, which was my first choice (see where I'm going with this?). Anyway, NWA gave me the first class date, and they weren't really anywhere on my radar screen, other than just another one of the dozen or so airlines I applied to. I asked an old head in my guard unit for some advice. He told me when he was a young buck back in the 80's, everyone thought he was an idiot for turning down Eastern and going to American. He told me that you'll only know that you made the right choice the day you retire from that airline. Between now and then, a whole world of crap can change.
So, I went with NWA. Now it looks like I'll be a Delta guy. And you know what, who the hell knows what I'll be 10 years from now, or if any of us will be working in this industry. Enjoy the E-ticket ride you're on, cuz who knows where it'll take us.

So, I went with NWA. Now it looks like I'll be a Delta guy. And you know what, who the hell knows what I'll be 10 years from now, or if any of us will be working in this industry. Enjoy the E-ticket ride you're on, cuz who knows where it'll take us.

Well said. We live in interesting times!

I meant no offense to those that applied to only one company, but my point was that we all chose a job in this industry (regardless of our background or reasons for leaving our previous careers). When I decided that I could not accept another two-year unaccompanied deployment, I applied everywhere I could to include "underwear model" at Ed's Big and Small. I am truly thankful to be here. I guess my point is that we share the skies with brothers (and sisters) of the same skill, dedication, and desire to continue making a living. We have very little control, in the grand scheme, of our futures in this industry. It is just sad to see folks crapping on their brothers that may wear a different uniform and cover (or those not required to wear a cover). If I lose my job, which is an unwelcome but likely scenario, you can bet that I will apply for more jobs everywhere that is taking...even if it is the Lane Bryant's Androgynous Catalog. Gotta give the family a place to live and something to eat, right? Or should I choke myself?!

... "underwear model" at Ed's Big and Small. ...... Lane Bryant's Androgynous Catalog. .....Or should I choke myself?!

This is a smorgasbord of very disturbing mental images.

I think a lot of military and corporate guys are/were in the same situation; they already have a pretty good job, and will only leave it for a new job that they consider better.

I only applied at two airlines; Delta and American. (I was already in Delta's schoolhouse when American offered me an interview.) Why only two airlines? I was in the Navy, doing pretty well there, and enjoying it somewhat.Or was it the double breasted "navy" uniform at DAL you liked?;)

I didn't apply anywhere else either. :cool: So count me as the second ONE and then keep counting because there are a lot of us here at DAL who did just that. And I'm sure NWA has a lot in MSP as well.

I personally had no interest whatsoever in CAL, UAL and never would've in a million years considered NWA. I flew enough in the regionals and lived in too many bases I had no ties too and sacrified too much time away from family (so that I could be a "stick and throttle pusher") to know that when it came to me personally it was either DAL or nothing. In fact, for a while nothing would've been fine except that DAL was just so damn good.

Also, the military wasn't an option for me either thanks to my pre-lasik vision. So I guess you can question my Espirit de Corps too... but that seems a bit pointless given that it would be a lot more interesting to know why a lot of us gladly would just stick to LOA 19.

How does your head fit through the cockpit door?:rolleyes:

I applied everywhere I could to include "underwear model" at Ed's Big and Small. I am truly thankful to be here. ?!

It was nice this last time around where I was able to be selective about leaving a really good job for DAL but the time before that... not so much- I was unemployed. Like you I applied everywhere but thanks to my coke bottle glasses and apparently a big head, thank you 757Driver, I never thought about applying as an underwear model. :(

It's a good idea, I've heard chics dig it if you're a bikini model :D


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It was nice this last time around where I was able to be selective about leaving a really good job for DAL but the time before that... not so much- I was unemployed. Like you I applied everywhere but thanks to my coke bottle glasses and apparently a big head, thank you 757Driver, I never thought about applying as an underwear model.

It's a good idea, I've heard chics dig it if you're a bikini model :D


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I don't even want to know what that looks like from the rear.:eek:

Think I just lost my appetite........

Now I understand who these "professionals" are that write on the bathroom walls in the pilot lounge...from the other side, however, humility is truly a wonderful thing.

Now I understand who these "professionals" are that write on the bathroom walls in the pilot lounge...from the other side, however, humility is truly a wonderful thing.

Humility is being a girl, and being told that you look like Travis Tritt. That's all I'm gonna say about that!! :o

Now I understand who these "professionals" are that write on the bathroom walls in the pilot lounge...







Are you referring to the MSP “Over 60” derogative remarks? If so, I would have to strongly agree with what is stated on the walls. Hope these POS pilots start get the hint...

Flying past aged 60 while your airline is talking about laying people off makes you a scab in my book.

Flying past aged 60 while your airline is talking about laying people off makes you a scab in my book.

I might not call them a scab, but if they have a full 25 years in I would call them greedy!

Flying past aged 60 while your airline is talking about laying people off makes you a scab in my book.

A scab is a whole different animal; I hope your career is never damaged by them. Using the term 'scab' for anyone who acts in a manner you don't like will ultimately cheapen the term. Let's not turn this board into another USAviation.

You may not like flying past 60, but it's within the contract and within the law.

A scab is a whole different animal; I hope your career is never damaged by them. Using the term scab for anyone who acts in a manner you don't like will ultimately cheapen the term. Let's not turn this board into another USAviation.

You may not like flying past 60, but it's within the contract and within the law.

I agree with CVG767A. Even though I strongly oppose age 65, lets not throw around the scab name loosely. It should be reserved for the true scabs-the ladies and gentlemen who crossed a picket line.

A scab is a whole different animal; I hope your career is never damaged by them. Using the term 'scab' for anyone who acts in a manner you don't like will ultimately cheapen the term. Let's not turn this board into another USAviation.

You may not like flying past 60, but it's within the contract and within the law.

Amen.

I have no intention of flying past 60 but to call them SCAB's is ridiculous.

Flying past aged 60 while your airline is talking about laying people off makes you a scab in my book.

Your book needs a re-write.

Flying past aged 60 while your airline is talking about laying people off makes you a scab in my book.

Dude - your book needs a revision. Flying until 65 is now authorized, legal, and a viable option to all pilots. Calling people scabs for flying past 60 is a pretty long stretch. Lets see, the speed limit used to be 55 mph- so anyone who drives 65 mph is a scofflaw and should be ticketed, airlines used to require 20-20 uncorrected vision to be hired - so anyone who needs glasses is unqualified and should be fired...... you see where I am going with this? I wish the law did not change and wish neveryone would retire at 60, but everyone has a unique situation so lets not throw the "scab" word around indiscriminately.

Scoop

Humility is being a girl, and being told that you look like Travis Tritt. That's all I'm gonna say about that!! :o

Uhum. Well, I'm sure that it is very unlikely for someone to make a comment such as that...unless, of course, you are in Boston where there are alot of women that make that look sexy...