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Kingbird87
01-12-2009, 06:54 PM
Okay,
I know we have had a few divisive threads, but I'm beginning to get on board this train. I just returned from annual CQB, and a lot was said about our new airline and employers. Yes, we will see a lot of changes, and most of it will be for former NWA pilots. But, a tremendous catharsis seems to be coming out of all this merger. We can be a hell of a lot better, smarter, safer, more efficient, and even better looking when we put the two together. Good to Great from Delta, fewer shoe clerks and lawyers running Flight Operations, an FOM 1/3 the size, and a lot of responsiveness to up the chain concerns. From NWA, a number of huge philosophical changes to operations, no boldface, yellow/red emergency, NASAP, FOQA, and the whole meteorological empire. I think this is an outstanding start. I know SOC dictates streamlining ops and changing as little as possible for changes sake. But the really cool thing I picked up on was this. Both sides in this integration are realizing that the other is pretty frickin' sophisticated, and together this is going to be SH.
I've also been browsing the Delta Net and have come to some conclusions. First, I didn't almost hurl reading all the company press releases and believe me that is a first. Second, I am feeling an intense pride in what our (NWA) people are bringing to this. The video of the whale in flight with the Delta livery, Richard in Shanghai, the unbelievable employees at Narita, Glen Hauenstein's unbridled audacity in marketing, and after browsing the performance stats, the dramatic leading performance measurements by the new employees. It is not without a little excitement I write this. I have worked for the worst, most selfish and inconsiderate management for years. But we are an incredible bunch, that Midwest stoicism and work ethic is unique. RA knows this, and together with Delta's tradition of reasonableness in labor relations, the real synergy is at hand. I was told that 155 gates are going back to airports, a savings of 200 million a year, a billion form AMEX, hell, once the economy turns, this thing might dwarf all our expectations. From this new Delta pilot, I'm glad to be aboard, take it easy sizing up the changes, help a brother out struggling with all these buttons, be glad we work together, and not as competitors, and thank you for the efforts you have all made to put together a first class airline and Flight Operations Dept. for me to spend the rest of my career.


Reroute
01-12-2009, 07:32 PM
Excellent post. Well said.:)

DAL4EVER
01-12-2009, 08:18 PM
If we are able to capture "Best Practices" from both companies I too believe this will be an amazing airline. DAL brings a much more positive corporate culture, newer interiors, excellent TOC (MX) and Europe, South America, Africa and the Mid-East. NWA brings Asia, the mid-west, a highly sophisticated WX and Dispatch culture. Combining DAL's network gurus with the gurus from NWA and I hope we are able to capture everything this merger could mean. Five to ten years from now there could be some amazing opportunities for pilots and the displacement talk will be ancient news (I hope).

Thanks for the positive post.


newKnow
01-12-2009, 08:54 PM
Okay,
..... I just returned from annual CQB, and a lot was said about our new airline and employers....

Hey!! Was that you talking on the phone while we were trying to take the test on Day 1?? :D I should have known. :rolleyes:

New K Now

IXLR8
02-07-2009, 04:14 PM
NWA brings Asia, the mid-west, a highly sophisticated WX and Dispatch culture.
Thanks for the positive post. True. But, I hear they are going to keep the Delta flt plan system instead of the more advanced Jepp system the NWA guys use....Not sure why they would do that....seems if you want to be the biggest, best airline out there, you would want the best equipment...:confused:

Justdoinmyjob
02-08-2009, 06:44 AM
True. But, I hear they are going to keep the Delta flt plan system instead of the more advanced Jepp system the NWA guys use....Not sure why they would do that....seems if you want to be the biggest, best airline out there, you would want the best equipment...:confused:

You have to remember, sometimes is easier and cheaper to retrain 5000 guys than 7000 guys. Not saying it's the right thing to do, just that management will be looking for the cheapest way to do it.

Nosmo King
02-08-2009, 01:12 PM
Cheaper, yes. Easier, no. I bet the DL pilots wouldnt mind being retrained on ACARS so that it logs takeoffs and landings on each leg, rtaher than the FO having to manually enter them after each trip... The only coplaint I have heard about DL flight plans is that you cant read it straight across and make a position report, the items are out of order. For those of us on CPDLC/ADS, that is not a factor :D

Justdoinmyjob
02-08-2009, 03:19 PM
I bet the DL pilots wouldnt mind being retrained on ACARS so that it logs takeoffs and landings on each leg, rtaher than the FO having to manually enter them after each trip...

All that requires is a flight Ops bulletin, and over half the guys won't even read it. After all, not everyone enters the data the right way into the ACARS now.:cool:

Hawaii50
02-08-2009, 04:24 PM
Cheaper, yes. Easier, no. I bet the DL pilots wouldnt mind being retrained on ACARS so that it logs takeoffs and landings on each leg, rtaher than the FO having to manually enter them after each trip... The only coplaint I have heard about DL flight plans is that you cant read it straight across and make a position report, the items are out of order. For those of us on CPDLC/ADS, that is not a factor :D

The flight plans at DL are set up to read the position report straight across. I have heard the ACARS systems are completely different and likely to be a pretty big expense for the company.

Superpilot92
02-08-2009, 05:51 PM
Great Post Kingbird!

iceman49
02-10-2009, 03:36 PM
The NWA Jeppesen flight plan is designed to be read, left to right exactly like the position report format. Since I have been working with both systems...the Jepp flight plan is more concise and clear, but it comes down to costs.

acl65pilot
02-11-2009, 07:48 AM
ACARS will be a mess to implement here! It is one major issue

Kingbird87
02-11-2009, 08:05 PM
It will be done, because it saves money. A lot of money.

sailingfun
02-12-2009, 04:02 AM
Cheaper, yes. Easier, no. I bet the DL pilots wouldnt mind being retrained on ACARS so that it logs takeoffs and landings on each leg, rtaher than the FO having to manually enter them after each trip... The only coplaint I have heard about DL flight plans is that you cant read it straight across and make a position report, the items are out of order. For those of us on CPDLC/ADS, that is not a factor :D


I have been reading position reports straight off from the Delta flight plan for the last 20 years. The new flight plan Delta has however leaves a lot to be desired in my mind. They have moved sections around. The strangest part is the winds are now near the top of the flight plan in a location that is worse then the old position. They also have to much clutter in the body of the flight plan. I don't need a remark or note for every altitude or speed change. I can read the flight plan itself.

newKnow
02-12-2009, 09:56 AM
ACARS will be a mess to implement here! It is one major issue

So we are supposed to keep the NWA ACARS system and the process of getting takeoff and landing data on it?

acl65pilot
02-12-2009, 12:54 PM
I understand it to be better. But we have some significant issues with our interface.

iceman49
02-12-2009, 06:48 PM
There are many enhancements other than ease and clarity that come with the NWA system, unfortunately they will be a "future attribute"