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Yes. I suggest first checking the availability of seats on the "company business" section of Travelnet. If it looks good, call scheduling advise them you desire to DV8 and tell em the flight number. Go book it as "Company Business" and enjoy.

Thanks for the quick reply! I should have been more specific - I live close to where the trip starts and want to just drive there rather than report to base and DH. Do I need to call someone? Do I need to do something on the computer?

Thanks for the quick reply! I should have been more specific - I live close to where the trip starts and want to just drive there rather than report to base and DH. Do I need to call someone? Do I need to do something on the computer?


Just call them and tell them; prior to the report, that "you are in position" That will be the words they are looking for. Crew Sked number Option 1, Option 5.


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Simply put, No More Bacon. Lets get back to constructive debate.

Question for anyone willing to help.

I just finished my 88 initial qual distance learning and the WWO. I plugged my codes into Icrew and it only credited me 5:22 for the initial and :30 for the WWO. I thought the 1-2 started on July 1 with the new PWA. Did I read the negotiator note pads incorrectly?

If it is supposed to be 2-1 and its an error who would be the best person to contact?

Thanks!

Anyone know about the new PWA RLL bid details...I am bidding for August SEA330...ALV is 77 hours so reserve guarentee is 75 hours. It looks like I would qualify for the RLL option since the bid packet shows down to 146 on the fo list and I bid 138. There are some trips at the lower limit of the LCW that are worth about 69:30 but I would rather get an RLL to get me up to the reserve guarentee or just be on straight reserve for the extra 5 or so hours. Not sure if I would qualify for the RLL if they can build me in the Line Construction Window so I would get stuck with a 70 hour month with hopes of adding a small trip later in the month. Any input on this would be greatly appreciated before I have to sit on hold trying to get some bid advice on the bid help line. I would rather hold a schedule with at least 73 hours credit and have some control of my QOL otherwise but do not want to get stuck with under 70 hrs now that reserve guarentees have increased dramatically.

There are changes to the rll that I have been looking at too. I think to get an rll now, you have to be unblockable. There is also some new thing where you can opt for ALV, but you are treated like it is recovery flying. I don't know how it will play out til I screw it up a few times.

Just call them and tell them; prior to the report, that "you are in position" That will be the words they are looking for. Crew Sked number Option 1, Option 5.


105,000th post.

perfect. thanks!

Question for anyone willing to help.

I just finished my 88 initial qual distance learning and the WWO. I plugged my codes into Icrew and it only credited me 5:22 for the initial and :30 for the WWO. I thought the 1-2 started on July 1 with the new PWA. Did I read the negotiator note pads incorrectly?

If it is supposed to be 2-1 and its an error who would be the best person to contact?

Thanks!
First make sure of the official run times on your fleets site they are listed in the initial qual material. If they are off call training planning.

Have a computer question. I downloaded Internet Explorer 9. It apparently has a new feature called InPrivate browsing. You know, for those Nigerian scammers and porn guys. Ever since I downloaded it, APC will come up a blank page unless I go to InPrivate browsing. I also loaded a new Norton AV program around the same time. I have checked everything I can to figure out why it does this but have been unsuccessful so far. Any ideas? APC is the only site that does this.:(

While I'm not in the "I paid my dues so should you" school I think there's a limit to how quickly things can or will get fixed for the new hires. There are things that are better than other airlines (health insurance active 1st day on property - CAL is/was 6 months) and things that are worse (no hotel rooms for new hires). While is sounds like a "we should do it because it is right" I don't think it's a minor cost item - given that it is probably anywhere between $50-100/day/pilot you're looking at $1500-$3000/month and I'm just not sure it's been a priority to fix during each contract (I'm sorry to say it was not on my priority list). I do think that 1st year pay was a HIGH priority when I first got hired and I do think it is now reasonable (it was 2K/month for the first year in 2000) and now it is $60.92/hour (which is a minimum of $4386.24/month). You can call me what you want but fixing lodging for new hires is not a huge priority on my list (pay was a big one).

I agree with you-all good things there. I'm not suggesting we should have to give up anything to help them out-it should be done on a corporate level. I'm not certain, but I doubt the regional airline pilots gave up anything to get the newhires there hotel rooms. Maybe I'm wrong.

Have a computer question. I downloaded Internet Explorer 9. It apparently has a new feature called InPrivate browsing. You know, for those Nigerian scammers and porn guys. Ever since I downloaded it, APC will come up a blank page unless I go to InPrivate browsing. I also loaded a new Norton AV program around the same time. I have checked everything I can to figure out why it does this but have been unsuccessful so far. Any ideas? APC is the only site that does this.:(

Weid. I will report you post so the admin from Internt Brands sees it

I don't see why people are all bent out of shape over the hotel for newhires deal. Our newhire pay is better than anyone else out there and the health insurance kicks in day 1. That more than offsets the cost of putting yourself up for a couple of weeks.

We do get single occupancy hotels during indoc and then we are on the hook during sim training. I ran behind the hotel we were in for indoc, found a crash pad in less than 10 minutes (there are tons back in that neighborhood), and had a house to stay in the entire month for $250. I had a full kitchen, private room, and a nice living room to study in. Beat the heck out of a hotel room for a month. If I had to do it all over again and I had a company paid hotel, I'd go pay for a crashpad again on my own dime.

...I'm not certain, but I doubt the regional airline pilots gave up anything to get the newhires there hotel rooms. Maybe I'm wrong.

In the April-June 2008 hiring boom at Comair, Delta provided new hire pilots with paid hotel rooms for the entire training cycle.

This was done freely, i.e. did not require any changes to the PWA.

However there were over a dozen regional airlines hiring from the same pool of applicants, and IIRC this was done so the Comair subsidiary could "keep up" rather than "get ahead"

First make sure of the official run times on your fleets site they are listed in the initial qual material. If they are off call training planning.

FYI the times are as follows

643 minutes for 88 initial
88 minutes for 90 differences
59 minutes for WWO


Total 13 hrs and 10 mins total

It was short on my time card total credit was 5:52 and should have been 6:35 I think I can't make the math work. I will contact training planning thx.

I went back and added up the times as listed on the CD menu pages and they are higher than what the welcome letter states. How do they decide how much to pay is there some type of average or is it strictly based on runtime?

Question for anyone willing to help.

I just finished my 88 initial qual distance learning and the WWO. I plugged my codes into Icrew and it only credited me 5:22 for the initial and :30 for the WWO. I thought the 1-2 started on July 1 with the new PWA. Did I read the negotiator note pads incorrectly?

If it is supposed to be 2-1 and its an error who would be the best person to contact?

Thanks!
Welcome to flying Douglas products. This is part of your initiation. From now on nothing will work quite like it is supposed to. Fortunately NASA developed a Flight Log for Douglas aircraft that many pilots have found helpful.

Douglas Flight Log Application: https://titan-server.arc.nasa.gov/HTML_ERS/general.html

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Just posted Delta's new payscale on APC... here's a quick look:
http://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/images/stories/airlines/pay_delta2012.png

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Best movie ever.

"Looks like I've got myself some diesel-9, eh? You're quick, real quick. Never seen a man beat the Douglas before. A feller, a quick feller, he might have an ADF under there. I'd have to pin his head to the panel..."

Have a computer question. I downloaded Internet Explorer 9. It apparently has a new feature called InPrivate browsing. You know, for those Nigerian scammers and porn guys. Ever since I downloaded it, APC will come up a blank page unless I go to InPrivate browsing. I also loaded a new Norton AV program around the same time. I have checked everything I can to figure out why it does this but have been unsuccessful so far. Any ideas? APC is the only site that does this.:(

Try turning compatibility mode on for apc. "Tools, Compatibility Mode". Or "Tools", Compatibility settings (and add apc as a URL to use CM).

FYI the times are as follows

643 minutes for 88 initial
88 minutes for 90 differences
59 minutes for WWO


Total 13 hrs and 10 mins total

It was short on my time card total credit was 5:52 and should have been 6:35 I think I can't make the math work. I will contact training planning thx.

I went back and added up the times as listed on the CD menu pages and they are higher than what the welcome letter states. How do they decide how much to pay is there some type of average or is it strictly based on runtime?

Its run time, and I would first e-mail your rep, and contract admin. They may have a better answer as to why.

Its run time, and I would first e-mail your rep, and contract admin. They may have a better answer as to why.WWO on the MD88? Thought that might be World Wide Ops, but it is probably Weight on Wheels Operations ... a course which explains all the levers, pulleys, cables and mechanical relays which get out of rig, as well as the human factors, poorly designed spoiler handle, bucket scraping, lack of powered controls, brake issues, steering issues, hydraulic failures, aft CG nosewheel steering effectivity, autopilot (autoland abnormalities) and pilot parallax issues that result in the airplane going in a direction other than intended while the weight is on the wheels.

The good news is that it seems to be designed to bounce off stuff and is easy to repair. Those things on the forward fuselage have nothing to do with managing airflow during a uncoordinated stall, they are curb feelers. Stalls with the ball out of center aren't recoverable.

Now that 5 leg days and Jackson Mississippi overnights have moved to the 737, I'm preparing for the nonstop thrill ride that is the MD88. Anyone know if we need to take Malarone for JAN? Recall on MD88 IOE for the obligatory new hire qual beverage we walked to a convenience store and shared a tall boy (two cups) while sitting on the curb.

This is one of the most stupid discussions ever on APC...
You guys are basically acting like a Royal Navy captain at Dunkirk, telling an infantry platoon you're going to leave them on the beach, because you don't have suitable accomodations (no cabin for the officer, and some of the men might go without tea), and you wouldn't want them to suffer sunburns on the deck for the 18 mile trip home. So they can hang out and wait for the panzers.

Newhires want JOBS, and they need money, every day, not hotel rooms for a few weeks.
Ten points for a great historical reference, but I'll take away 3 of those because it was maritime-based. You'll get this whole thread moved to Nautical Pilot Central:rolleyes:

Just posted Delta's new payscale on APC... here's a quick look:
http://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/images/stories/airlines/pay_delta2012.pngFreight Dog is a 747-A :eek:

Holy Smokes!

Newhires want JOBS, and they need money, every day, not hotel rooms for a few weeks.
That way if they find themselves drinking " Maggie Numbnuts" or Olde English out of a 40 oz while sittin on a curb with their IOE instructor in Jackson Mississippi they'll be appreciative. :)

MD88 IOE Beverage Guide: Modern Drunkard Magazine (http://drunkard.com/issues/03_03/03-03_forty_fury.htm)

Love the Categories for the review ... (Flava, Street Cred, Power) ... what else matters when in Jackson, MS?

Have a computer question. I downloaded Internet Explorer 9. It apparently has a new feature called InPrivate browsing. You know, for those Nigerian scammers and porn guys. Ever since I downloaded it, APC will come up a blank page unless I go to InPrivate browsing. I also loaded a new Norton AV program around the same time. I have checked everything I can to figure out why it does this but have been unsuccessful so far. Any ideas? APC is the only site that does this.:(

My new computer came with IE 9. I tried to use it. I ended up installing IE 8. DAL IT doesn't support IE 9. There are all sorts of things that just go to a blank screen. I called IT and they said that they were working on supporting it. It's been out over a year. Now I know how the Apple guys feel.

My new computer came with IE 9. I tried to use it. I ended up installing IE 8. DAL IT doesn't support IE 9. There are all sorts of things that just go to a blank screen. I called IT and they said that they were working on supporting it. It's been out over a year. Now I know how the Apple guys feel.

Waterfox for best results.

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WWO on the MD88? Thought that might be World Wide Ops, but it is probably Weight on Wheels Operations ... a course which explains all the levers, pulleys, cables and mechanical relays which get out of rig, as well as the human factors, poorly designed spoiler handle, bucket scraping, lack of powered controls, brake issues, steering issues, hydraulic failures, aft CG nosewheel steering effectivity, autopilot (autoland abnormalities) and pilot parallax issues that result in the airplane going in a direction other than intended while the weight is on the wheels.

The good news is that it seems to be designed to bounce off stuff and is easy to repair. Those things on the forward fuselage have nothing to do with managing airflow during a uncoordinated stall, they are curb feelers. Stalls with the ball out of center aren't recoverable.

Now that 5 leg days and Jackson Mississippi overnights have moved to the 737, I'm preparing for the nonstop thrill ride that is the MD88. Anyone know if we need to take Malarone for JAN? Recall on MD88 IOE for the obligatory new hire qual beverage we walked to a convenience store and shared a tall boy (two cups) while sitting on the curb.

Nice one Bar! Don't knock Pearline at the JAN bass pro though...multiple meanings there.

Best movie ever.

"Looks like I've got myself some diesel-9, eh? You're quick, real quick. Never seen a man beat the Douglas before. A feller, a quick feller, he might have an ADF under there. I'd have to pin his head to the panel..."

What movie?

Road Warrior

My new computer came with IE 9. I tried to use it. I ended up installing IE 8. DAL IT doesn't support IE 9. There are all sorts of things that just go to a blank screen. I called IT and they said that they were working on supporting it. It's been out over a year. Now I know how the Apple guys feel.
Thanks orvil,
Fortunately APC is the only site so far that doesn't work. DAL works fine. Tried the compatability setting thing, but that didn't work either.

recall on md88 ioe for the obligatory new hire qual beverage we walked to a convenience store and shared a tall boy (two cups) while sitting on the curb.

Lmao! :d :d

I don't see why people are all bent out of shape over the hotel for newhires deal. Our newhire pay is better than anyone else out there and the health insurance kicks in day 1. That more than offsets the cost of putting yourself up for a couple of weeks.

We do get single occupancy hotels during indoc and then we are on the hook during sim training. I ran behind the hotel we were in for indoc, found a crash pad in less than 10 minutes (there are tons back in that neighborhood), and had a house to stay in the entire month for $250. I had a full kitchen, private room, and a nice living room to study in. Beat the heck out of a hotel room for a month. If I had to do it all over again and I had a company paid hotel, I'd go pay for a crashpad again on my own dime.


Bingo! Our new hire package is one of the best in the industry. This forum is full of cherry pickers who never look at the overall context of what they are complaining about. 250 dollars or pay your own health insurance for 6 months and earn half the pay? Lets see which do I choose?

Simply put, No More Bacon. Lets get back to constructive debate.

YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am staying with my son in LAS for a few days and want to do my quarterly cq while he is at work. The only computer available is a MacBook Pro. Has anyone had any trouble completing it on a mac?

Does the new payscale on APC just reflect the new rates as of July 1 or what the contract provides total over the next 3 years?

Side note: Compass does not provide new hires with paid hotel rooms either for training.

If one were to be hired during the next hiring window, how long would it take to hold a SLC base?

I would plan NYC/DTW if hired, but hiring may be a ways off.

Does the new payscale on APC just reflect the new rates as of July 1 or what the contract provides total over the next 3 years?

Side note: Compass does not provide new hires with paid hotel rooms either for training.


I believe it is the current rate. It will be updated as our pay rates change.

Scoop

Does the new payscale on APC just reflect the new rates as of July 1 or what the contract provides total over the next 3 years?

Side note: Compass does not provide new hires with paid hotel rooms either for training.

Those are only the July 1st rates. 8.5% raise coming on 1/1/13.

If one were to be hired during the next hiring window, how long would it take to hold a SLC base?

It's anyone's guess right now. Our staffing changes so constantly that it's hard to put a pulse on anything. I've been stuck away from the west coast for the past 4 years, and honestly I don't think i'm getting any closer to getting home. No matter how "great" our new TA is, and how the economy is booming (so they say), if you're a newhire (07/08 onward is still consider newhire at DL), I'd stick with a category that is relatively well staffed, and has lots of frequency to your base. At least your QOL is not as bad as those who has to double commute:)

But if what you're commuting for is worth it, you wouldn't feel like you have a choice anyway:) Good luck on getting on at Big D!

I am staying with my son in LAS for a few days and want to do my quarterly cq while he is at work. The only computer available is a MacBook Pro. Has anyone had any trouble completing it on a mac?

Nope, the CQ CD works on both PC and Mac.

I am staying with my son in LAS for a few days and want to do my quarterly cq while he is at work. The only computer available is a MacBook Pro. Has anyone had any trouble completing it on a mac?

Should be fine - tested using OS X 10.7 Lion. Minimize the dock if you are using a 13-inch.

Thanks guy's. I may even get it done before the last day.

If one were to be hired during the next hiring window, how long would it take to hold a SLC base?

Pro, here are some current staffing numbers. These are the lowest seniority numbers for some of the bases and categories.

SLC 320: 11,609
SLC 73N: 11,515

NYC 320: 11,929
NYC M88: 11,994

DTW 320: 11,802

ATL M88: 11,857
ATL 320: 11,458

MSP M88: 11,785
MSP 320: 11,658

LAX 73N: 11,433
As you can see, there isn’t a huge difference between SLC and other bases. The down side is that in SLC, there isn’t a lot of folks who leave once they get here, and DAL has said multiple times that SLC will not grow, just stay where it is. Wish you the best of luck getting hired.:D

Thanks guy's. I may even get it done before the last day.

Did mine today - not bad...a bit over 2 hours. 1:07 pay on my Time Card (I think that was it). Amazingly enough, didn't have to review Hazmat and spill and drill codes - seems like that was a staple :rolleyes:

Dear Superpilot,

Why do you land the 767 so smooth? Don't you want the passengers to know they have arrived?

With Carl, Bacon, and Fig out of the pool (and T trying to leave) it seems a slightly safer time to jump in. Of course I've enjoyed reading the balanced, concise, and always respectful insights of my fellow pilots on APC. So with the TA approved and love everywhere, this DAL dead zoner has taken the plunge.

With Carl, Bacon, and Fig out of the pool (and T trying to leave) it seems a slightly safer time to jump in. Of course I've enjoyed reading the balanced, concise, and always respectful insights of my fellow pilots on APC. So with the TA approved and love everywhere, this DAL dead zoner has taken the plunge.

Well, I guess The Manager.. isn't gonna show up anymore to pay his debt, so there will be little reason for me to stay.

Anybody that knows him better let him know that if I find out his real name everybody in the industry will know who he is...

With Carl, Bacon, and Fig out of the pool (and T trying to leave) it seems a slightly safer time to jump in. Of course I've enjoyed reading the balanced, concise, and always respectful insights of my fellow pilots on APC. So with the TA approved and love everywhere, this DAL dead zoner has taken the plunge.
Are Bacon and Fig locked out for good now? I know there were some pretty harsh words said, but as Charlie Sheen recently said, "Everyone deserves a 24th chance.";)

Well, I guess The Manager.. isn't gonna show up anymore to pay his debt, so there will be little reason for me to stay.

...

Well to use your own words from a recent post about Carl IIRC "don't let the door hit you on the way out"

I couldn't see Freight Dog's attachment, but it looks like a few things need updating on the Delta profile. Reserve guarantee, contractual pay raises, etc.

With Carl, Bacon, and Fig out of the pool (and T trying to leave) it seems a slightly safer time to jump in. Of course I've enjoyed reading the balanced, concise, and always respectful insights of my fellow pilots on APC. So with the TA approved and love everywhere, this DAL dead zoner has taken the plunge.

Welcome aboard

What was that Budokan thing all about anyway? :D Never heard of it until you played there.

Well, I guess The Manager.. isn't gonna show up anymore to pay his debt, so there will be little reason for me to stay.

Anybody that knows him better let him know that if I find out his real name everybody in the industry will know who he is...

What was his debt for?

Are Bacon and Fig locked out for good now? I know there were some pretty harsh words said, but as Charlie Sheen recently said, "Everyone deserves a 24th chance.";)

Bacon left on a plate of BLT. He won't be back. Figmo is free to return.

Dear Superpilot,

Why do you land the 767 so smooth? Don't you want the passengers to know they have arrived?

Because im flying with newKnow and I know better than to disturb him with the vibrations of even so much as kissing the ground with his aircraft.

As they say, it's hard not to be excellent when surrounded by excellence!

Bacon left on a plate of BLT. He won't be back. Figmo is free to return.

What'd he do - I must have missed it. I said just yesterday that I put him on my ignore list - what a waste after having to read his crap for the last year.

What keeps somebody from just coming up with a new user name and acting equally d-bag-ish?

Bacon left on a plate of BLT. He won't be back. Figmo is free to return.

I had a weird feeling that Bacon was also Spaceman Spiff from an erlier time (the old heads will remember his ejection). If I'm right, he'll be back with a new name in a couple months.

I had a weird feeling that Bacon was also Spaceman Spiff from an erlier time (the old heads will remember his ejection). If I'm right, he'll be back with a new name in a couple months.

How about the JBlu guy named Green Guy? Anybody remember him? That's going waaay back.

Dear Superpilot,

Why do you land the 767 so smooth? Don't you want the passengers to know they have arrived?

Fear.

You don't want to be the guy that embarassed Newk.

But to be fair, you know that even the wildest of 767s will behave once it feels that first confident tug at the tiller and realizes The Man has control. If you rode horses, you could win the triple crown with a texas longhorn. works in so many ways with your current sidekick.

http://s1.moviefanfare.com/uploads/2011/01/Blazing-Saddles-Mongo.png
:D

How about the JBlu guy named Green Guy? Anybody remember him? That's going waaay back.

Was Green Guy the guy trying to pass himself off as a Green Book guy? Or was that something different.

Don't forget Carl Spakler, Tsquared030, 80buzznftbs.

That last one was just here to post pictures of his girl.

http://mimg.ugo.com/200911/11854/cuts/juliet-lost-gun_288x288.jpg

Gosh I really hated that guy and miss his posts.

What'd he do - I must have missed it. I said just yesterday that I put him on my ignore list - what a waste after having to read his crap for the last year.

What keeps somebody from just coming up with a new user name and acting equally d-bag-ish?

Violated the TOS for the last time. I banned him.

Not going to argue the message allowing jets to be operated that we filed a grievance over, but those jets are not owned by DAL. They are managed by DPJ and the pilots are from the owners flight department. Like most DPJ pilots they are employed by the owner of the jet and the utilized though the aircraft management part of DPJ. DPJ has pilots and aircraft, make no mistake about that, but it is not the majority of what they manage.

Kind of a quagmire.

Some say its a win because we limit them to five jets, many say its a loss because the company agreed to cease and desist, and now they are codified in the PWA.

Water over the dam either way.

I guess. I just wish we had refused to budge on that one. Those owners have no more leverage that any others in the drastically overpopulated fractional world. If they want the work, they will throw their "employed" pilots under the bus in a second to get the contract and we would have no problem replacing them with a company who takes our pilots as we should have required. Amortizing the training costs for DAL over the operation considering the small number of positions would be nothing. I would have conceeded longer training freezes and even the company getting to interview SL pilots for the positions before I agreed to outsource them. Those were good jobs in big jets that we gave away for nothing. The company blatantly violated our scope and because of our constructive acquiescence several dozen non union pilots have jobs our SL pilots will never have. Added bonus, if we furlough they won't take us unless we resign.

Water under the bridge...only until next contract. I want that GW limit reduced. 99.9K lbs jets outsourced to non union off listers is a must fix (assuming anyone else cares).

If one were to be hired during the next hiring window, how long would it take to hold a SLC base?

Depends on the window.

2900+ pilots in 4-5 years? You'll get it in indoc or after your 1 year freeze for sure. More stagnation and small run stop gap hiring here and there every couple years? Probably 5+ years.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/07/07/article-2170094-13F368BF000005DC-647_634x438.jpg. I was in Pamplona last year for some of this.

I had a weird feeling that Bacon was also Spaceman Spiff from an erlier time (the old heads will remember his ejection). If I'm right, he'll be back with a new name in a couple months.

Remember Pea Stain? Probably the same guy.

Remember Pea Stain? Probably the same guy.

I ignored peastain. I found Bacon sometimes mildly humorous, sometimes way off the mark, sometimes on the mark, frequently pushing a DPA agenda at all costs, but had no idea he was caustic enough to get banned.

Dear Superpilot,

Why do you land the 767 so smooth? Don't you want the passengers to know they have arrived?
From his Avatar we can only assume it is his being a Captain in the nation of smooth.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccenFp_3kq8&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Three things Superpilot92 can't go for:
(1) Being twice as nice
(2) Just repeating the same old lines
(3) Bad landings in the 767

Fear.

You don't want to be the guy that embarassed Newk.

But to be fair, you know that even the wildest of 767s will behave once it feels that first confident tug at the tiller and realizes The Man has control. If you rode horses, you could win the triple crown with a texas longhorn. works in so many ways with your current sidekick.

http://s1.moviefanfare.com/uploads/2011/01/Blazing-Saddles-Mongo.png
:D

Classic line, "winning the triple crown with a Texas Longhorn." :D

From his Avatar we can only assume it is his being a Captain in the nation of smooth.

Daryl Hall & John Oates - I Can't Go For That (No Can Do) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccenFp_3kq8&feature=youtube_gdata_player)

Three things Superpilot92 can't go for:
(1) Being twice as nice
(2) Just repeating the same old lines
(3) Bad landings in the 767

Damn. I'm gonna be hearing that song in my head all day now....

If ATC asks if we can take FL390, it's going to to be, "No can do." :o

Super is too young to even know any parts of that song though.

Damn. I'm gonna be hearing that song in my head all day now....

If ATC asks if we can take FL390, it's going to to be, "No can do." :o

Super is too young to even know any parts of that song though.

You guys burned down Orange County right after sleeping with every hot chick yet?

If super really greased on a 767 domestic, I'm even more impressed :) That thing was a doozy to get a real smooth one on!

You guys burned down Orange County right after sleeping with every hot chick yet?

If super really greased on a 767 domestic, I'm even more impressed :) That thing was a doozy to get a real smooth one on!

Every Last one of them!

As far as landing it goes it was only a doozy for you because you haven't flown it with newK, the ground knows better...

Every Last one of them!

As far as landing it goes it was only a doozy for you because you haven't flown it with newK, the ground knows better...

That's true. I would love to be in the cockpit to see the earth cower and get into position for newK to make a crossing restriction when he decides he will be there.

You guys burned down Orange County right after sleeping with every hot chick yet?


Don't forget, NewK turns even average girls hot with his aura. So it just takes a little longer to work through the extra babes:cool:

Newk, bring Super home in one piece.

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Today is my last reserve day, placed on short call until 1200, since tomorrow is a golden day, and I have a trip with an 1145 report time. Sigh. To add insult to injury...Travelnet won't let me make a standby listing today from ATL-DFW because July 8th is one of the travel embargo days. Looks like I'll be flying American. I think this is the second time I'd say that I've sat short call with 1 day of availability. We need to hire more pilots.

Today is my last reserve day, placed on short call until 1200, since tomorrow is a golden day, and I have a trip with an 1145 report time. Sigh. To add insult to injury...Travelnet won't let me make a standby listing today from ATL-DFW because July 8th is one of the travel embargo days. Looks like I'll be flying American. I think this is the second time I'd say that I've sat short call with 1 day of availability. We need to hire more pilots.

But ALV+15 "fixed the glitch." But don't worry because all the senior guys I fly with say they'll never fly us that much.

Having a Travelnet issue myself trying to list for Tues. I keep getting "please enter a valid airport code."

But ALV+15 "fixed the glitch." But don't worry because all the senior guys I fly with say they'll never fly us that much.

Having a Travelnet issue myself trying to list for Tues. I keep getting "please enter a valid airport code."
I get the valid airport issue a lot. I use firefox and as soon as I close it, reopen and of course re-logon it seems to fix the problem.

Elvis, didn't see any non-rev embargo for the 8th, just for buddy passes. Good luck!

Deltanet down?

Deltanet down?

It seems so. I tried to login on the company computer in LGA and on my IPad. Neither one would work. Should be a fun day for commuters, especially with the looks of the weather in the NYC area for today.

Can't get Delta.com either ... surprising. Wonder what's up?

But ALV+15 "fixed the glitch." But don't worry because all the senior guys I fly with say they'll never fly us that much.

Having a Travelnet issue myself trying to list for Tues. I keep getting "please enter a valid airport code."
I get the valid airport issue a lot. I use firefox and as soon as I close it, reopen and of course re-logon it seems to fix the problem.

Elvis, didn't see any non-rev embargo for the 8th, just for buddy passes. Good luck!

Well, I tried Safari, Atomic and Journey Web Browsers. I'll try the ops computers when I sign in.

It seems so. I tried to login on the company computer in LGA and on my IPad. Neither one would work. Should be a fun day for commuters, especially with the looks of the weather in the NYC area for today.

What weather? Partly cloudy all day. Don't scare me!

I know this is mostly a college football board but Delta picked up the 49ers this season. How are the charter trips designated in the bid package?

Second, had a senior ATL 777 guy in the jump seat yesterday. He only knows one person taking the early out with about 2-3 on the fence.

Today is my last reserve day, placed on short call until 1200, since tomorrow is a golden day, and I have a trip with an 1145 report time. Sigh. To add insult to injury...Travelnet won't let me make a standby listing today from ATL-DFW because July 8th is one of the travel embargo days. Looks like I'll be flying American. I think this is the second time I'd say that I've sat short call with 1 day of availability. We need to hire more pilots.

SD hinted in the weekly update that we were going to hire 7000 pilots in the next 10 years. That should be enough to get us all off SC. Especially a last day before a golden X day short call. Sorry dude.

Travelnet is working now.

I know this is mostly a college football board but Delta picked up the 49ers this season. How are the charter trips designated in the bid package?

Second, had a senior ATL 777 guy in the jump seat yesterday. He only knows one person taking the early out with about 2-3 on the fence.

Early out wise, you can't really put too much credence into one senior guy's info...IMO especially a commuter. That said, the early outs will be what they will be. Most of the guys I fly with are not plugged in, some are very plugged in, but most commute in, fly, commute home.

I am not saying they are uninformed, just that there is not a telephone chain of senior guys that talk with each other nonstop.

For the 777 guys I think it only makes sense for 2013 retirees and my bet is maybe 2 to 3 will take it. The program is really geared to the fnw senior pilots.

For the 777 guys I think it only makes sense for 2013 retirees and my bet is maybe 2 to 3 will take it. The program is really geared to the fnw senior pilots.

How so? Do they get more than a pre-merger Delta guy?

I know this is mostly a college football board but Delta picked up the 49ers this season. How are the charter trips designated in the bid package?


They aren't really designated per say. I believe each team is assigned a flight number, so if you learn the number you would know which trips have their flights. However, lots of sports charters are mixed into regular trips. For instance, you may fly a baseball team from LGA-HOU. Then repo to ATL, overnight and go ATL-PHX the next day working a normal revenue flight. All charter packets can be accessed through Deltanet.

Today is my last reserve day, placed on short call until 1200, since tomorrow is a golden day, and I have a trip with an 1145 report time. Sigh. To add insult to injury...Travelnet won't let me make a standby listing today from ATL-DFW because July 8th is one of the travel embargo days. Looks like I'll be flying American. I think this is the second time I'd say that I've sat short call with 1 day of availability. We need to hire more pilots.

My goodness Elvis90, that stinks! Sorry man........ :(

For the 777 guys I think it only makes sense for 2013 retirees and my bet is maybe 2 to 3 will take it. The program is really geared to the fnw senior pilots.

That's what I expect, as well. The FNWA guys are more likely to take it, given the fact that they have a pension. I'm expecting 200 or so mostly north guys to take the deal, and anticipate little or no trickle-down benefit to me.

How so? Do they get more than a pre-merger Delta guy?

They happen to still have a DB plan. When you have a 401k type retirement plan it behooves you to work longer, i.e. every year you put $ in is a year you aren't taking $ out. If I was within a year I would be gone.

I don't think you can say more fNWA guys will go or not go. They are also getting a 12+% pay increase.. they reside at the top of the food chain.. and are living pretty easy.

Whether or not most guys will admit this or not.. we all still love flying airplanes. We all TALK the talk.. but when it really comes down to pulling the handles.. like these forums, it's mostly bull****.

Talk amongst yourselves...

I don't think you can say more fNWA guys will go or not go. They are also getting a 12+% pay increase.. they reside at the top of the food chain.. and are living pretty easy.

Whether or not most guys will admit this or not.. we all still love flying airplanes. We all TALK the talk.. but when it really comes down to pulling the handles.. like these forums, it's mostly bull****.

Talk amongst yourselves...


Second time hell has frozen over. I agree with T-square. Life is just too good at the top of the food chain.

How so? Do they get more than a pre-merger Delta guy?

Interesting question. A fNWA guy will get his DB retirement for life. A fDAL guy can spend his PBGC and whatever he happened to get with his investments from the note/claim, but those are highly dependent on how successful he has been in those investments. That is the wild card and those that have saved and invested well will potentially do better, but THAT is dependent on their investing prowess, NOT the company's. The fNWA guys can blow it all until they die and will still get the same amount year after year.. (unless DAL files BK again and we give up those plans) so I would say that.. yes.. they do get more. I am sure it can be argued both ways though..

Interesting question. A fNWA guy will get his DB retirement for life. A fDAL guy can spend his PBGC and whatever he happened to get with his investments from the note/claim, but those are highly dependent on how successful he has been in those investments. That is the wild card and those that have saved and invested well will potentially do better, but THAT is dependent on their investing prowess, NOT the company's. The fNWA guys can blow it all until they die and will still get the same amount year after year.. (unless DAL files BK again and we give up those plans) so I would say that.. yes.. they do get more. I am sure it can be argued both ways though..

They don't get any more from the early out program, which was the initial allegation. They might have a higher pension, but then again, the reason the Delta guys aren't going, is because they get to draw their pension benefit and continue to work (something that was never permitted before) beyond age 60 (also something that was never permitted before).

Bottom line - the 777A guys are doing just fine, all things considered.

They happen to still have a DB plan. When you have a 401k type retirement plan it behooves you to work longer, i.e. every year you put $ in is a year you aren't taking $ out. If I was within a year I would be gone.

If you're really a 777A, you still got a significant PBGC benefit, a huge note/claim payout, AND get to work past 60 AND draw your PBGC benefit while you do it. Don't act like the fnw guys have it so much better.

That's what I expect, as well. The FNWA guys are more likely to take it, given the fact that they have a pension. I'm expecting 200 or so mostly north guys to take the deal, and anticipate little or no trickle-down benefit to me.

The only folks I heard say they are going are FNWA that have pensions based on WB pay or are 63 or older . Not that many really. There may be 200 early outs but they will be spread out and not as high up the food chain as you think.Too many people that still enjoy the job as I do.One of the reasons I vote no on the TA. ALPA giving up 300 jobs to work rules when the company came to them is unforgivable to me.

How so? Do they get more than a pre-merger Delta guy?
All fDAL pilots lost their defined benefit plan with the bankruptcy. fNWA did not. fDAL pilots have a 401k & maybe something from the PBGC. So, yes, the answer to your question is that they will get significantly more.

If you're really a 777A, you still got a significant PBGC benefit, a huge note/claim payout, AND get to work past 60 AND draw your PBGC benefit while you do it. Don't act like the fnw guys have it so much better.

mmmmmmmmaybe. My point above is that the fNWA guys can go out and blow the same amount of money each year as a fDAL guy, and he will ALWAYS.. until the day he dies.. get that same amount, because the tank is refilled. The fDAL guy does not (unless he invests well). If you are saying that the fDAL guy would have the same amount of money, then many should be gone, because they would effectively have gotten a complete DB payout with the claim/note.

Your comment about getting to work past age 60 was humorous to say the least..

Don't forget, NewK turns even average girls hot with his aura. So it just takes a little longer to work through the extra babes:cool:

Yes. I met NewK on an overight once. I think I have a pic.

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Anyway nice guy. Right after that I met this really hot chick at the bar that no one else was flirting with and believe it or not she was all over me for the attention.

Second time hell has frozen over. I agree with T-square. Life is just too good at the top of the food chain.

I agree too. I don't think it matters FDAL or FNW, if a pilot is setup to go and wants to go, the early ret plan offered is a good one. If he's a guard/reserve retiree, less so.

I think it will trickle down to whatever seniority wants and is eligible for it.

mmmmmmmmaybe. My point above is that the fNWA guys can go out and blow the same amount of money each year as a fDAL guy, and he will ALWAYS.. until the day he dies.. get that same amount, because the tank is refilled. The fDAL guy does not (unless he invests well). If you are saying that the fDAL guy would have the same amount of money, then many should be gone, because they would effectively have gotten a complete DB payout with the claim/note.

Your comment about getting to work past age 60 was humorous to say the least..
They can if they put it in an annuity. If I had a full pension and retired today, I sure as heck wouldnt expect it to be guaranteed unti I die. Things can turn around quickly. Besides, isn't deltas pension obligations severely underfunded?

Yes. I met NewK on an overight once. I think I have a pic.

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Anyway nice guy. Right after that I met this really hot chick at the bar that no one else was flirting with and believe it or not she was all over me for the attention.

Which one is newK?

If you're really a 777A, you still got a significant PBGC benefit, a huge note/claim payout, AND get to work past 60 AND draw your PBGC benefit while you do it. Don't act like the fnw guys have it so much better.
PG you can be a real a$$ sometimes. I never insinuated they have it better, I was only stating that I didn't think many 777A guys would take the package because of the way our retirement has evolved, it behooves us to stay. You are pre wired to the attack mode; chill dude !

I never insinuated they have it better, I was only stating that I didn't think many 777A guys would take the package because of the way our retirement has evolved, it behooves us to stay.

Actually, you stated, "the program is really geared toward the senior fnw pilots". I simply asked how that was true, and you've now finally answered the question. The program is NOT geared toward the fnw guys in anyway. Rather, it is more attractive to them because of the difference in how each group's retirement plans have evolved.

anyone heard from bill lumberg lately?

Actually, you stated, "the program is geared toward the fnw guys". I simply asked how that was true, and you've now finally answered the question. The program is not geared toward the fnw guys, but it is more attractive to them, simply because of the difference in how each group's retirement plans have evolved.
I did pass freshmen composition, barely. I could have stated it a little more clearly though it made perfect sense in my pea brain.

I did pass freshmen composition, barely. I could have stated it a little more clearly though it made perfect sense in my pea brain.

The story my life. :o






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anyone heard from bill lumberg lately?

Was he a Delta pilot?

Actually, you stated, "the program is really geared toward the senior fnw pilots". I simply asked how that was true, and you've now finally answered the question. The program is NOT geared toward the fnw guys in anyway. Rather, it is more attractive to them because of the difference in how each group's retirement plans have evolved.

It depends what the definition of the word "is" is.

I talked to a fnwa captain in the MEX van a few days ago. He's got 2 years to go and is not taking the buy out. "Not quite enough" was his take. He's got a story like most as he was with Eastern. My guess is under 200 take it. Hope I'm wrong.

T- Budakon is the Japanese Cow Palace.

Was he a Delta pilot?

I think we can at least be certain he was a Delta Employee.

anyone heard from bill lumberg lately?

He's probably "enacting its plan."

They can if they put it in an annuity. If I had a full pension and retired today, I sure as heck wouldnt expect it to be guaranteed unti I die. Things can turn around quickly. Besides, isn't deltas pension obligations severely underfunded?

IMHO (I have then occasionally), this is the primary reason fNWA WB Captains aren't diving, fishing, traveling and/or hunting their final days.

Which one is newK?

You'll know him by his hand shake. Its like grabbing a bunch of bananas.

OK off subject question...... When one has a reserve line that also includes vacation I understand that it pays more than a straight reserve line but I can't find out what the difference would be. Can anybody guide me in the right direction?

Now as for the early out, well I haven't flown with any 747 captains that are going to take it....

Everyone says they are working too hard and it takes away from your retirement years. I really believe our work rules allow us to work as little as we want - no minimum flying to stay full time (I believe you could drop to zero if you want although I'm sure there would be something in the mail about paying insurance, etc). If you're a very senior guy and you don't need a ton more money to retire it wouldn't be too bad to fly 2-3 3 day trips (or a bunch of turnarounds if you're NB domestic) domestically. Or, the 777 Sydney trips were 4 day trips worth like 36 hours so you could work one of those a month (drop the other one if you had two). This is a good job if you don't need to get 80+ hours just to pay the bills, put the kids through school and save for retirement - why retire early?

Was Green Guy the guy trying to pass himself off as a Green Book guy? Or was that something different.

Don't forget Carl Spakler, Tsquared030, 80buzznftbs.

That last one was just here to post pictures of his girl.

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Gosh I really hated that guy and miss his posts.

Yeah, I don't know who that guy is either. But, he does have great taste in women AND firearms:cool:

Ferd

Now as for the early out, well I haven't flown with any 747 captains that are going to take it....

That is actually good news IMO. If more junior guys take it.. i.e. younger guys.. that will generate better movement for a more sustained period.

Hopefully all the guys that go will be in the 58-62 range..

Everyone says they are working too hard and it takes away from your retirement years. I really believe our work rules allow us to work as little as we want - no minimum flying to stay full time (I believe you could drop to zero if you want although I'm sure there would be something in the mail about paying insurance, etc). If you're a very senior guy and you don't need a ton more money to retire it wouldn't be too bad to fly 2-3 3 day trips (or a bunch of turnarounds if you're NB domestic) domestically. Or, the 777 Sydney trips were 4 day trips worth like 36 hours so you could work one of those a month (drop the other one if you had two). This is a good job if you don't need to get 80+ hours just to pay the bills, put the kids through school and save for retirement - why retire early?

I think we have 85 mandatory retirements for 2013. All of those guys would be dumb not to take it if they qualify for anywhere near 39 weeks (9 months) of pay. Staying just so you could drop to zero or even just dropping way down (remember, that is dependant on the company's staffing tolerances anyway and could go away at any time) in your last year when you could essetially drop to absolute zero (retire) for the whole year, guaranteed, and get paid for 9 months would be a blunder of History Channel proportions. That said, there will be guys who lose money just to put on the uniform because they don't know what else to do. So let's figure 3/4 of that group take it.

For 2014 I think the mandatory number is somewhere around 150. I estimate maybe a third to a half (max) will take it. So we're at aqbout 130 or so. In 2014-2015 and beyond, the mandatory numbers start to accelerate rapidly but the actuarials of the early out start to diminish rapidly as well. I'm guessing maybe 50 from all other years total take it, and that's probably a very high guess. So 200 max, but probably 175 or so.

Of course if I was putting money on it, I'd guess just to be safe.
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New to the smartphone world. How does one get travelnet on an android?

New to the smartphone world. How does one get travelnet on an android?

Get the Dolphin HD browser. Works with iCrew also. Best of all.......FREE!

Thanks for the help

it's getting hot in here... or there... hot there... DCA:

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This just in...

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it's getting hot in here... or there... hot there... DCA:

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Ha! I used to fly that plane

it's getting hot in here... or there... hot there... DCA:

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They could have powered out of that.

Quitters.

I talked to a fnwa captain in the MEX van a few days ago. He's got 2 years to go and is not taking the buy out. "Not quite enough" was his take. He's got a story like most as he was with Eastern. My guess is under 200 take it. Hope I'm wrong.

T- Budakon is the Japanese Cow Palace.

Hate to say it, but most likely he will not make it to 70 (more like 67). Hope the money is worth it! Or maybe he would like to be like that CAL CA a couple of years ago.

But who am I to judge, 50 is the new 30, right?

So, we're saying the RMA is going to crater almost as hard as the TA tanked?

Hate to say it, but most likely he will not make it to 70 (more like 67). Hope the money is worth it! Or maybe he would like to be like that CAL CA a couple of years ago.

But who am I to judge, 50 is the new 30, right?


Details? (Filler)

anyone heard from bill lumberg lately?

Just trying to get my hands on 717 manuals.

New to the smartphone world. How does one get travelnet on an android?

The stock Android browser does very well with Travelnet and iCrew. No need to download a different browser.

So, we're saying the RMA is going to crater almost as hard as the TA tanked?

Heyas Sink,

Here's the thing. Most guys who bite off on an early out program were setting up to go early anyway.

The guys who's personal situation prevented them from going aren't going to be swayed by this deal any more than the previous two offers. The little bit of quid that this one provides isn't going to help anyone paying an alimony/child support bill (or two), a boat payment, house payment, kids in college, or god forbid, a spouse or child with a serious medical problem.

If anything, the TA ensured that those very people will stay, because they need the money.

The principal goal of this early out program was probably as a sales device for the TA. Something to take a little bit of the sting out of the work rule concessions. Now that the TA is said and done, the guys who where going to go anyway will go, and the guys who were going to stay put will still be here.

Nu

The stock Android browser does very well with Travelnet and iCrew. No need to download a different browser.

Same issue on both browsers. When I submit a search for flights, I get this message,

The page at https//connect.delta.com says please enter only a valid airport code.
Have you seen this before?

Details? (Filler)

He died enroute to EWR from ocross the pond. Died in uniform just like so many people dream of, die as PIC!!!

Fly till you die!!

My goodness Elvis90, that stinks! Sorry man........ :(

Wait...there's more...15 hr 18 min FAR Duty Time yesterday, which I don't think will be allow under the new duty time rules since I began at 5 AM. Tower in Nassau lost power for a couple hours, then restored power & we left. I called crew tracking with my duty time concerns. I think the new duty limit for that time of day is 14 hours.

Finally, ALL flights ATL-DFW have about 80 standby's trying to get home. So chilling at a hotel in ATL on my first golden day waiting until American has open seats or until my now scheduled jumpseat is available.

Thank you scheduling and crew tracking. Looking forward to the day when I get off reserve.

Thank you scheduling and crew tracking. Looking forward to the day when I get off reserve.

I feel your pain. I just finished a 4-day trip and a 3-day trip in a 6 day span...trip 1 ended with an all-nighter at 0530. As I'm on the bus to the lot, scheduling called me to remind me they had given me a 3-day which signed in at 1900 that day. 5 guys on SC that day, but not used.

As a bonus, they woke up my wife at 0500 looking for me, even though I was six miles over Memphis about then.

June sucked bad for me, and July is shaping up so far to be equally crappy.


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Heyas Sink,

Here's the thing. Most guys who bite off on an early out program were setting up to go early anyway.

The guys who's personal situation prevented them from going aren't going to be swayed by this deal any more than the previous two offers. The little bit of quid that this one provides isn't going to help anyone paying an alimony/child support bill (or two), a boat payment, house payment, kids in college, or god forbid, a spouse or child with a serious medical problem.

If anything, the TA ensured that those very people will stay, because they need the money.

The principal goal of this early out program was probably as a sales device for the TA. Something to take a little bit of the sting out of the work rule concessions. Now that the TA is said and done, the guys who where going to go anyway will go, and the guys who were going to stay put will still be here.

Nu

I'm not sure this is the same as the last two.

It is my understanding that there are many FNWA pilots who are forfeiting pension payments because they are still working. Essentially they are working for healthcare and per-diem. Many of these pilots are closer to retirement today than they were for the previous two. The RMA appears to be designed to help fill the void they may have for their final few years here. I hope and have a gut feeling that many FNWA pilots will take it.

Many travelers may want to keep their boarding priority as long as possible. (thought I was going to make the last flight when a family of eight with 1980 showed 30 mins before departure.). Ugghh.....

Thanks Jughead & Columbia, sounds like the pain is being evenly distributed this summer.

I'm not sure this is the same as the last two.

It is my understanding that there are many FNWA pilots who are forfeiting pension payments because they are still working. Essentially they are working for healthcare and per-diem. Many of these pilots are closer to retirement today than they were for the previous two. The RMA appears to be designed to help fill the void they may have for their final few years here. I hope and have a gut feeling that many FNWA pilots will take it.

About a year ago, the prevailing sentiment on this and the ALPA board was that the guys with pensions would leave in droves if we only had a medical plan for retirees. Now that DALPA has negotiated one, we'll see if they meant it, or we're just blowing smoke. I want to believe they'll go, but I'm still not expecting much. I hope I'm wrong...

About a year ago, the prevailing sentiment on this and the ALPA board was that the guys with pensions would leave in droves if we only had a medical plan for retirees. Now that DALPA has negotiated one, we'll see if they meant it, or we're just blowing smoke. I want to believe they'll go, but I'm still not expecting much. I hope I'm wrong...

They were just blowing smoke. We all love flying airplanes. It's what we do. It defines us. Everybody talks the talk... but when it comes to walking the walk.. not so gung ho.

Fire away.

That's what I expect, as well. The FNWA guys are more likely to take it, given the fact that they have a pension. I'm expecting 200 or so mostly north guys to take the deal, and anticipate little or no trickle-down benefit to me.

Very few if any that are still here have the "big" pension from flying the wide-body, a lot of the pilots frozen portion is less than PBGC, plus no HCTC.

They were just blowing smoke. We all love flying airplanes. It's what we do. It defines us. Everybody talks the talk... but when it comes to walking the walk.. not so gung ho.

Fire away.

For a pilot that is 55 130K is probably not what they are looking for to punch out. Give the severance and a RMA double that and many more would consider it. Guys want that RMA to supplement Medicare or Tricare.

Same issue on both browsers. When I submit a search for flights, I get this message,

The page at https//connect.delta.com says please enter only a valid airport code.
Have you seen this before?

I just tried it on my stock Android browser and it worked fine. I'm running Ice Cream Sandwich 4.0.4 on an HTC Incredible. What kind of phone do you have and what's the version of Android you have?

They were just blowing smoke. We all love flying airplanes. It's what we do. It defines us. Everybody talks the talk... but when it comes to walking the walk.. not so gung ho.

Fire away.

I'm flying with a 320 Captain who turns 64 in a couple weeks. He's taking the early out. Although, he doesn't think they'll give it to him because he's too junior.

So, we're saying the RMA is going to crater almost as hard as the TA tanked?

Good one.

My prediction is a minimum of 274 take it.

I just tried it on my stock Android browser and it worked fine. I'm running Ice Cream Sandwich 4.0.4 on an HTC Incredible. What kind of phone do you have and what's the version of Android you have?

Samsung Conqrer with gingerbread 2.36

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New topic.

They were just blowing smoke. We all love flying airplanes. It's what we do. It defines us. Everybody talks the talk... but when it comes to walking the walk.. not so gung ho.

Fire away.

I agree, it's much more psychological than financial for MANY captains.

Its hard to make the leap from "Airline CAPT" to "retired" in your mind, it's admitting to the end of a personal era.

The nice thing for them though is it is a choice... some have other things they could do in their new "spare" time and others haven't contemplated what they would do.

Luv

For a pilot that is 55 130K is probably not what they are looking for to punch out. Give the severance and a RMA double that and many more would consider it. Guys want that RMA to supplement Medicare or Tricare.

Bull plop. Sorry. Talk is cheap. Double it then it will take triple. Triple it and it will take four times.. blah blah blah.. Guys who are gonna go are guys who are gonna go, and the incentive is just a little icing. None of this will ever make guys say "Wow.. what a great deal.. I'm outta here"

Good one.

My prediction is a minimum of 274 take it.


If so good. If you are that accurate, you are kind of giving yourself up as well.

How can Motley Fool be so devoid of factual information on almost any article they produce? Like below, they invest on an emotional basis vice any form of analysis based on facts:

2 Airlines Flying Higher Than the Rest (DAL, JBLU, LCC, LUV) (http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2012/07/07/2-airlines-flying-higher-than-the-rest.aspx#.T_sX9Y5vlEw)



For most sectors, risky or not, you can find investors willing to roll the dice. Quick-changing technology, finicky natural gas, corrupt banks -- they all have their bulls at any given time. But one industry is largely abandoned, and for good reason. Warren Buffett said it best when he suggested that a forward-thinking capitalist should have shot down Orville Wright in 1903 for the sake of investors. But, believe it or not, there may be a diamond in the rough.

Let the losers consolidate
The major airline carriers are bloated beasts, going against the forces of nature and all that is holy to try to eke out a couple of bucks above breakeven quarter after quarter. It's like watching Bruce Willis try to convey emotion -- no matter how hard he tries, it just doesn't come together. Over the years, since the deregulation of airlines, it's been the M.O. for the major carriers to consolidate and dive in and out of bankruptcy.

Most recently, US Airways (NYSE: LCC ) has been aggressively courting American Airlines (NASDAQOTH: AAMRQ.PK). The CEO of US Air cites economies of scale and route synergies as a value driver. My opinion? It's going to be an extremely costly integration, and the unions are going to have a throwdown brawl over the details. It may help both airlines down the line, but value for investors and travelers will not be realized for quite some time, if ever.

US Air has been buoyed by attractive fuel prices and its position as the stable party in the US Air-American consolidation, but I see a storm ahead in its path.

Delta Air Lines' (NYSE: DAL ) 2008 merger with Northwest Airlines seemed to bode well for Delta's stock -- the price went from less than $6 to today's $10 -- but the merger may not have done as much for customers. As one example, in a recent report from the Memphis Business Journal, the Memphis airport has seen a 46% decrease in flights since the merger and subsequent route cuts.

For the major carriers to ultimately succeed, there needs to be a marriage of profitability and customer satisfaction -- the two need not be mutually exclusive.

I don't know when that will happen in such a brutal industry climate. For now, it seems the rule is "the more nimble, the better." Smaller airlines seem to create positive free cash flow while creating happy travelers. Compared with their bigger brethren, who are focusing solely on the most profitable routes and alienating consumers, these are much more attractive companies.

White knights on dark horses
Two U.S.-based airlines have a fighting chance, but to me there is only one with significant upside to warrant a piece of the college fund. I'm talking about Jet Blue (Nasdaq: JBLU ) . This airline appears to be one of the most consumer-oriented shops in the business. While other airlines are cutting routes to save some cash, Jet Blue is expanding offerings in Boston and the Caribbean.

Jet Blue started out as a fare-based airline -- attracting customers on the premise of cheap seats. But what emerged from the discount model was interesting: Jet Blue became a premium airline with competitive pricing. Today it remains one of the most comfortable rides in the sky -- leather seats, great in-flight entertainment, free snacks, and more. Consumer opinion of airlines is constantly declining as the big shops charge us for everything from carry-ons to boarding passes. The airlines have historically been a commodity business, but I believe the model may be flipping. If a fare is $40 higher than another but doesn't include the nickel-and-diming, more travelers are going to pony up the extra cash.

Besides comfy seats, Jet Blue has other attractive features. The company's debt load is under control, and the stock is still off 57% from its 2002 IPO. At less than 8 times forward earnings, the company is more expensive than the major carriers, but it's because the market recognizes the ability for this company to turn a profit.

Southwest Airlines (NYSE: LUV ) has a chance as well, though I am not as impressed on fundamentals. The company trades similarly to Jet Blue on a forward P/E -- both much higher than Delta's 3.5. Southwest has been known to be a consumer-oriented airline, with a crew unafraid to make jokes and a meritocracy system of seat selection. It's the people's airline, and it's increasing its appeal beyond cheap fares as well. Just recently, Southwest started offering live TV on select flights to compete more directly with Jet Blue.

Flight path
Jet Blue is expecting a big spike in maintenance fees this year, as its maintenance cycle is coming up for many of its planes purchased in the mid-2000s. That will hurt the bottom line to some degree, but view the pullback as an opportunity, because the following year will have dramatically lower expenses. I'm keeping an eye on free cash flow, improving corporate travel numbers, and more favorable fuel prices.

Southwest benefited for years from its effective fuel hedging, yet those benefits are winding down. If it can replicate its success, though, then this airline deserves a second look as well.

Airlines are a hard beast to love, and you may not think they're worth it. I'm fascinated by the industry and would love to see one of these picks emerge as a profitable airline -- something that is currently an oxymoron. Sound off in the comments. I want to hear your opinion.

Wait...there's more...15 hr 18 min FAR Duty Time yesterday, which I don't think will be allow under the new duty time rules since I began at 5 AM. Tower in Nassau lost power for a couple hours, then restored power & we left. I called crew tracking with my duty time concerns. I think the new duty limit for that time of day is 14 hours.

Finally, ALL flights ATL-DFW have about 80 standby's trying to get home. So chilling at a hotel in ATL on my first golden day waiting until American has open seats or until my now scheduled jumpseat is available.

Thank you scheduling and crew tracking. Looking forward to the day when I get off reserve.

I told you ATL-DFW is hardest commute in system.

I told you ATL-DFW is hardest commute in system.

It is and it took me less than a year after the base closed to wimp out and move.

I told you ATL-DFW is hardest commute in system.

Guess I better move! In general, it has been easier for me because I almost always reserve the jumpseat. Scheduling threw me a huge curve ball yesterday with a trip 15 minutes prior to the end of short call on my last reserve day. Was supposed to be off at noon, had the jumpseat booked for the 2 PM flight...Oh well...

I'm flying home on AA as we speak, using Gogo.

Guess I better move! In general, it has been easier for me because I almost always reserve the jumpseat. Scheduling threw me a huge curve ball yesterday with a trip 15 minutes prior to the end of short call on my last reserve day. Was supposed to be off at noon, had the jumpseat booked for the 2 PM flight...Oh well...

I'm flying home on AA as we speak, using Gogo.

I know how that is. I'm on reserve also. I do a very similar commute.

I just tried it on my stock Android browser and it worked fine. I'm running Ice Cream Sandwich 4.0.4 on an HTC Incredible. What kind of phone do you have and what's the version of Android you have?

I've got an Incredible 2 and have been trying to find a way to put 4.0.4 on it, but didn't think it was available yet.

We're going to fly to ATL from Dallas Love Field on 50-seaters.

http://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/news/2012/07/09/delta-to-launch-direct-atlanta-service.html?ana=yfcpc

We're going to fly to ATL from Dallas Love Field on 50-seaters.

Delta to launch direct Atlanta service at Love Field - Dallas Business Journal (http://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/news/2012/07/09/delta-to-launch-direct-atlanta-service.html?ana=yfcpc)


Years ago we did it on the 40 and 50 seaters. Did not seem to last long. My hunch is we are adding this service so that in 2014 when the Wright Amendment is totally gone we will have a market in place to upgauge and poke a stick in LUV's eye.

Wait...there's more...15 hr 18 min FAR Duty Time yesterday, which I don't think will be allow under the new duty time rules since I began at 5 AM. Tower in Nassau lost power for a couple hours, then restored power & we left. I called crew tracking with my duty time concerns. I think the new duty limit for that time of day is 14 hours.

Finally, ALL flights ATL-DFW have about 80 standby's trying to get home. So chilling at a hotel in ATL on my first golden day waiting until American has open seats or until my now scheduled jumpseat is available.

Thank you scheduling and crew tracking. Looking forward to the day when I get off reserve.

If you had a 15:18 FAR day yesterday then you were in violation of the contract. Know your contract and enforce it.

We're going to fly to ATL from Dallas Love Field on 50-seaters.

Delta to launch direct Atlanta service at Love Field - Dallas Business Journal (http://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/news/2012/07/09/delta-to-launch-direct-atlanta-service.html?ana=yfcpc)

That'll show 'em.:rolleyes:

If you had a 15:18 FAR day yesterday then you were in violation of the contract. Know your contract and enforce it.

I think that's only for line holders, not reserves. They can be used up to the 16-hour FAR limit.

I think that's only for line holders, not reserves. They can be used up to the 16-hour FAR limit.

That is not correct. Reserves have the same duty time limits as lineholders.

That is not correct. Reserves have the same duty time limits as lineholders.

Not as I understand it. If you start SC at say 0330 and get called for a trip at 0630, the FAR duty time starts at 0330 but the PWA limitations start at report; 0630.

You can go to 1930 for 16 hrs from start of SC (Whitlow) and two hr beyond the max allowed duty for report time listed on the rotation for the PWA as allowed in the PWA as long as you do not bust 16 for Whitlow off of start of SC.

*Domestic Ops only, Whitlow does not apply for International Flag Operations. Only PWA requirement there is that you report before the end of your 24 hr SC window.

Max international under the FT/DT;FAR117, will be limited by 14 hrs SC and 22 hrs total from what I remember.


** PWA duty time and FAR duty time are different. Projected FAR duty time is listed on the bottom of "A" days summary when you print out a rotation. PWA duty time is listed as ACT/MAX

That is not correct. Reserves have the same duty time limits as lineholders.

Well you are correct in the duty part, but what you are missing is that reserve is not DUTY. The duty time limits don't start for a reserve until you report for a trip. The only part that applies here is the 8 hours rest in 24, because reserve is also not considered rest, which means you can only work up to 16 hours. And if that ends in a dead head it can go farther. I was scheduled for over 17 hours from my on call time to the end of duty the other day and found out it was contractually legal because the last leg was a deadhead.

That is not correct. Reserves have the same duty time limits as lineholders.

..............................

After playing around with Airwatch I am definitely keeping Goodreader. I hope this is not the final product...

Wait...there's more...15 hr 18 min FAR Duty Time yesterday, which I don't think will be allow under the new duty time rules since I began at 5 AM. Tower in Nassau lost power for a couple hours, then restored power & we left. I called crew tracking with my duty time concerns. I think the new duty limit for that time of day is 14 hours.

Finally, ALL flights ATL-DFW have about 80 standby's trying to get home. So chilling at a hotel in ATL on my first golden day waiting until American has open seats or until my now scheduled jumpseat is available.

Thank you scheduling and crew tracking. Looking forward to the day when I get off reserve.

If you had a 15:18 FAR day yesterday then you were in violation of the contract. Know your contract and enforce it.

Please tell me what part of the contract was violated. I scoured the contract last night; I called Crew Tracking during the trip and Crew Scheduling after the trip--they said 16 hours is the limit.

After playing around with Airwatch I am definitely keeping Goodreader. I hope this is not the final product...


Its not. It is short term locker to get us moving in the correct direction. The word on the street is a tablet that will not just have manuals, but Jepps, Scheduling and Maintenance on it as well. We shall see if it get rolled out.

Talking to a FA on the Next Gen group, they are looking at the Samsung Galaxy for the tablet.

Please tell me what part of the contract was violated. I scoured the contract last night; I called Crew Tracking during the trip and Crew Scheduling after the trip--they said 16 hours is the limit.

Scheduling was correct.

I am sure sailing was confused by the term "duty" Duty and FAR duty time as it pertains to domestic reserves in Whitlow are two different things.

Please tell me what part of the contract was violated. I scoured the contract last night; I called Crew Tracking during the trip and Crew Scheduling after the trip--they said 16 hours is the limit.

The max domestic scheduled duty time is 13.00 hours scheduled and 15:00 actual. If it was a very early sign in those times are reduced but can never exceed 15:00 with a 2 man crew. I suspect you are somehow confusing Whitlow with duty. Whitlow was a add on rule after the AA little rock accident. Whitlow has nothing to do with being on duty. Whitlow requires that in any given time period a domestic pilot must be able to look back and find 8 hours rest in any 24 hour period. Whitlow is not duty time and is not considered being on duty contractually or by the FAA.

Please tell me what part of the contract was violated. I scoured the contract last night; I called Crew Tracking during the trip and Crew Scheduling after the trip--they said 16 hours is the limit.

You didn't violate anything. SC is not rest nor is it duty. You must be able to look back at the end of a leg (including 30 minute release) and find 8 hours of rest in the previous 24, which is where the 16 hour "duty" day for reserves comes into play.

Now. If your contractually "scheduled" duty day was 13 (or less) hours, you would have been able to stop at 15 as that would be contract plus two.

That is all......

Its not. It is short term locker to get us moving in the correct direction. The word on the street is a tablet that will

ACL,

Im sorry to ask this but I cant see where we (ALPA and Company) have answered this concretely:

Is there any chance, now or in the future, that the Airtran boys can come with the 717s?? I would hate to see a lawsuit in 7 years regarding this.

Do we have any guarantees?

Thanks,

TEN

ACL,

Im sorry to ask this but I cant see where we (ALPA and Company) have answered this concretely:

Is there any chance, now or in the future, that the Airtran boys can come with the 717s?? I would hate to see a lawsuit in 7 years regarding this.

Do we have any guarantees?

Thanks,

TEN


The only thing you may reference is SD's memo.

The max domestic scheduled duty time is 13.00 hours scheduled and 15:00 actual. If it was a very early sign in those times are reduced but can never exceed 15:00 with a 2 man crew. I suspect you are somehow confusing Whitlow with duty. Whitlow was a add on rule after the AA little rock accident. Whitlow has nothing to do with being on duty. Whitlow requires that in any given time period a domestic pilot must be able to look back and find 8 hours rest in any 24 hour period. Whitlow is not duty time and is not considered being on duty contractually or by the FAA.

Reference section 12.E.4

You can remain on duty beyond the 15 hours at your discretion up to the 16 hour limit. This is duty time which does not begin until you report. However, for a reserve on short call then your rest ended at the beginning of short call and therefore subject to 16 hour limitation. You can also reference the flow chart on page 22 of "When Scheduling Calls".

Becoming reality?!?!

Facts and Figures (http://www.skyteam.com/en/About-us/Press/Facts-and-Figures/)

I've got an Incredible 2 and have been trying to find a way to put 4.0.4 on it, but didn't think it was available yet.

I rooted my Incredible and put AOKP on it. Send me a private message and I'll give you the instructions.

Becoming reality?!?!

Facts and Figures (http://www.skyteam.com/en/About-us/Press/Facts-and-Figures/)


Has been for quite some time.

Reserve question:

You have 3 short call credits (Bucket 2 of short calls). Going into your last day on reserve they assign you short call (#4). You do not have a golden day on your next off day. There are other pilots available with one day of availability. However, they are going into golden days (in bucket 1 of short calls).

Can scheduling bypass the bucket system because they are going into golden days (released at noon) and use you?

Thanks.

Reserve question:

You have 3 short call credits (Bucket 2 of short calls). Going into your last day on reserve they assign you short call (#4). You do not have a golden day on your next off day. There are other pilots available with one day of availability. However, they are going into golden days (in bucket 1 of short calls).

Can scheduling bypass the bucket system because they are going into golden days (released at noon) and use you?

Thanks.

There's nothing mentioned about next day off being the golden day regarding assigning SC. You can try to talk to find a more personable scheduler who's willing to discuss it with you. Lots of time they'll look into other guys with 1 day left, and explain why those guys are ineligible. Of the times that I tried to get an explanation from them, it just made me more ticked off... sorry about what happened to you. But hey, we're getting like 8 hrs. of payraise, right?:rolleyes:

Has been for quite some time.
Yes, but it's like they're shoving it in our faces!! If and when we get to negotiate/renegotiate I sure hope we take a tighter stance on JV's and code shares or else we will never get bigger in the wide body categories!

Reserve question:

You have 3 short call credits (Bucket 2 of short calls). Going into your last day on reserve they assign you short call (#4). You do not have a golden day on your next off day. There are other pilots available with one day of availability. However, they are going into golden days (in bucket 1 of short calls).

Can scheduling bypass the bucket system because they are going into golden days (released at noon) and use you?

Thanks.

Those pilots may be coming off a trip or SC. Look.

There's nothing mentioned about next day off being the golden day regarding assigning SC. You can try to talk to find a more personable scheduler who's willing to discuss it with you. Lots of time they'll look into other guys with 1 day left, and explain why those guys are ineligible. Of the times that I tried to get an explanation from them, it just made me more ticked off... sorry about what happened to you. But hey, we're getting like 8 hrs. of payraise, right?:rolleyes:

Thanks for the reply guys. I asked this question because this happened to me and I was able to get out of it. I talked with 2 schedulers and a supervisor. There were a couple of reserves in Group 1 of short call while I was in Group 2. I asked why others weren't being used. There were some who weren't working/some were, but had golden days on their next X day. Scheduling told me they wouldn't use them because they are released at noon. I referenced 23.S.1.f. They told me it was in a LOA. I can't find anything other than LOA #29 (Scheduling Alert 12-06). It doesn't mention golden days as a factor.

After reading Elvis90's experience I just want others to be aware. Also thought maybe someone would have a better reference.

Thanks again.

Those pilots may be coming off a trip or SC. Look.

http://photos.prnewswire.com/pb-large/EN/2012/07/09/12/20120709123105ENPRNPRN-DELTA-AIR-BOEING-717-90-1341837065MR.jpg??1341888782

Those pilots may be coming off a trip or SC. Look.

Hopefully it's either in the works or will be suggested at some point to provide on the availability list what the pilot is doing. It'd clear up a lot of this confusion.

Not long ago I was way way down on the list and they called and gave me a trip. I kept the scheduler on the phone and we went through everyone's schedule.

The scheduler was actually very accommodating and while I caught 1 or 2 pilots that could've done it, it dawned on me that... sigh... a bird in the hand is better than sticking your hand in someones bush... or whatever that saying is. :D So I said, thanks, I'll be there in 13 hours!

However, short call palooza is ON! And I don't think it'll ever be OFF! I mean when they need to assign 14 SCs a day and only have 17 guys to do it with, it gets kind of ugly. Luckily, they'll have more SCs to give out. :o

The idea that you won't be senior enough to hold reserve will last about 1 month.

http://www1.vmi.edu/archives/images/accnum/00958.jpg

Becoming reality?!?!

Facts and Figures (http://www.skyteam.com/en/About-us/Press/Facts-and-Figures/)

If I'm reading that chart right, AF has 2 aircraft in SkyTeam livery. KLM has 3. Korean has 2. AeroMexico has 2.

Delta? Seven. Sounds fair. :confused:

http://www1.vmi.edu/archives/images/accnum/00958.jpg

Nice hats.

Elvis,

Been commuting from DFW-ATL since returning from furlough in 2007....it can be done. Not many numbers separate us. It can be interesting but most of the time you just have to have a pair of these...

http://i775.photobucket.com/albums/yy34/MadDogWhisperer/brass-balls2_5613.jpg

Whenever my wife says its OK....and she gets them off her closet shelf, and I have done the dishes, folded the clothes, and DVR'd HGTV for her....

FtB;
What a pilot is doing is there you just have to look closely. Look at what time they started LC. If it is not an even hour, they are probably coming off a trip or SC. It will also show if they were on SC the previous day. Perfect? No, but better than what we had.

FtB;
What a pilot is doing is there you just have to look closely. Look at what time they started LC. If it is not an even hour, they are probably coming off a trip or SC. It will also show if they were on SC the previous day. Perfect? No, but better than what we had.

I'll start looking, seems like so much of the time theyre showing 0000-2359 or however its worded. But I'll give it a try.

Hopefully it's either in the works or will be suggested at some point to provide on the availability list what the pilot is doing. It'd clear up a lot of this confusion.

Not long ago I was way way down on the list and they called and gave me a trip. I kept the scheduler on the phone and we went through everyone's schedule.

The scheduler was actually very accommodating and while I caught 1 or 2 pilots that could've done it, it dawned on me that... sigh... a bird in the hand is better than sticking your hand in someones bush... or whatever that saying is. :D So I said, thanks, I'll be there in 13 hours!

However, short call palooza is ON! And I don't think it'll ever be OFF! I mean when they need to assign 14 SCs a day and only have 17 guys to do it with, it gets kind of ugly. Luckily, they'll have more SCs to give out. :o

The idea that you won't be senior enough to hold reserve will last about 1 month.

http://www1.vmi.edu/archives/images/accnum/00958.jpg

Just wait until next year when we will be able to do 7 short calls in a month. Long call will be non-existent. My only hope is that I am off reserve by then. Once I am off reserve, I am going to make the choice to never do it again.

Just wait until next year when we will be able to do 7 short calls in a month. Long call will be non-existent. My only hope is that I am off reserve by then. Once I am off reserve, I am going to make the choice to never do it again.The 7th SC doesn't go into effect until 2014 when the new rest rules go into effect. For the international guys, it will be a lot less time on SC - 10 hours less per SC than what we're doing now.

Anyone have a good doc for medicals on the north side of town? I'm off of 400 and 20.

Wow, look at the cost savings analysts expect from the switch to 717's from 50-seaters. I think this exceeds the DALPA forecast in savings.

Delta to Add 88 Boeing 717 Fleet - Yahoo! Finance (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/delta-add-88-boeing-717-134511392.html)

Up to $750M in cost savings in 2013 alone.

Anyone have a good doc for medicals on the north side of town? I'm off of 400 and 20.

i like dr kevin hicks, easy to get to (although at 400/285) but with the new exit off hammond and just 1 mile east. good style and easy to schedule.

KEVIN B HICKS, *DO
1140 HAMMOND DR STE G-7150
ATLANTA, GEORGIA, 30328 *
(770) 481-0019


also he does not gouge on price because youre a delta pilot as some around here admitedly do.

Wow, look at the cost savings analysts expect from the switch to 717's from 50-seaters. I think this exceeds the DALPA forecast in savings.

Delta to Add 88 Boeing 717 Fleet - Yahoo! Finance (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/delta-add-88-boeing-717-134511392.html)

Up to $750M in cost savings in 2013 alone.

Doesn that article reference "Delta's fleet optimization plan"? I thought that the addition of the 737-900ER was to begin in 2013 also.. Those aircraft are "cash accretive" from the first day according to previous company memo. Also therre are 30 more "fuel efficient" MD-90's that will cut costs too that will occur in 2013.

The "plan" has lots of moving parts... Just because this article doesnt mention other aspects of the fleet optimization plan doesn't mean that those pieces cease to exist.

Wow, look at the cost savings analysts expect from the switch to 717's from 50-seaters. I think this exceeds the DALPA forecast in savings.

Delta to Add 88 Boeing 717 Fleet - Yahoo! Finance (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/delta-add-88-boeing-717-134511392.html)

Up to $750M in cost savings in 2013 alone.

here I'm going to post the whole article:

The second-largest U.S. airline Delta Air Lines Inc. (DAL) will introduce 88 The Boeing Company (BA) 717-200 aircraft to its fleet starting next year. Southwest Airlines Co. (LUV) will lease the Boeing 717 aircrafts.

The addition of Boeing 717 is the latest step in Delta’s domestic fleet optimization plan, which is targeting $600–$750 million of cost savings over the next year. The new aircraft will enhance the company’s operational efficiency and improve its profitability. The company will take delivery of 16 Boeing 717 in 2013, 36 Boeing 717 in 2014 and the remaining 36 in 2015.

The new jets will replace the older 50-seat inefficient aircrafts and the move would save $150-200 million in non-fuel costs. In addition, Delta Air Lines is expected to save $200-$250 million from maintenance efficiencies and $250-300 million from employee productivity (which includes voluntary early retirement of senior staff).

Further, Delta Air Lines is expanding seating facilities as well as installing winglets and WiFi connectivity in the fleet. The company is moving ahead with the introduction of full flat-bed seats in BusinessElite class, expansion of the First Class cabin on more fleets and increasing Economy Comfort or Economy Plus seats. Moreover, Delta is going wireless with in-flight entertainment system - Delta Connect. These efforts to upgrade fleet products and services are expected to generate an additional revenue of $1 billion by 2013.

Despite these developments, Delta projects non-fuel costs to increase 3–4% in the second quarter due to capacity reduction and higher salaries and wages. However, these increased costs will be partially offset by productivity improvements including the implementation of the LaGuardia slot swap and the new Atlanta international terminal.

From Southwest’s view, leasing of aircraft will be beneficial. Though the transition of Boeing 717 will increase costs by about $50 million, yet Southwest would benefit $200 million in annual pre-tax income once the transition is fully complete.

We are currently maintaining our long-term Neutral recommendation on Delta Air Lines. For the short term, the stock retains a Zacks #2 (Buy) Rank.

You didn't violate anything. SC is not rest nor is it duty. You must be able to look back at the end of a leg (including 30 minute release) and find 8 hours of rest in the previous 24, which is where the 16 hour "duty" day for reserves comes into play.

Now. If your contractually "scheduled" duty day was 13 (or less) hours, you would have been able to stop at 15 as that would be contract plus two.

That is all......

I talked with the DALPA Scheduling rep this morning and confirmed what you posted. There was no violation, but it came within 42 minutes of Whitlow, which is consistent with what Crew Tracking told me.

Anyone have a good doc for medicals on the north side of town? I'm off of 400 and 20.
I use Dr. Galaid in Gainesville. Not too far north of 20. Great guy!

Dr. Edward I. Galaid
Northeast Georgia Physical Grp
597 S Enota NE Dr
Gainesville, GA**30501

(770) 718-0707

I have one of those sweet three days (8 pm report, 24 hr layover, all nighter back) that credits 10:30 later this week. Will this now be worth 13:30 with the new average daily credit, and when do we expect our schedule in ICrew to reflect this?

I have one of those sweet three days (8 pm report, 24 hr layover, all nighter back) that credits 10:30 later this week. Will this now be worth 13:30 with the new average daily credit, and when do we expect our schedule in ICrew to reflect this?

Still worth 10:30. That 4:30 does not go into effect for a few months (I think October).

The 7th SC doesn't go into effect until 2014 when the new rest rules go into effect. For the international guys, it will be a lot less time on SC - 10 hours less per SC than what we're doing now.

I thought it went into effect in August 2013? Maybe it's August 2014. Either way, why did we add a 7th for the domestic guys? It could have been possible to negotiate 7 short calls for the international categories and keep it at 6 for the domestic categories. I really hope by the time this happens, I will have the choice of not being reserve. Maybe, we will open a base where I live, then I will have a choice to not commute. Living in base, not doing reserve....that would be the life.

Wow, look at the cost savings analysts expect from the switch to 717's from 50-seaters. I think this exceeds the DALPA forecast in savings.

Delta to Add 88 Boeing 717 Fleet - Yahoo! Finance (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/delta-add-88-boeing-717-134511392.html)

Up to $750M in cost savings in 2013 alone.

Is this a bad thing? Just asking...

Wow, look at the cost savings analysts expect from the switch to 717's from 50-seaters. I think this exceeds the DALPA forecast in savings.

Delta to Add 88 Boeing 717 Fleet - Yahoo! Finance (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/delta-add-88-boeing-717-134511392.html)

Up to $750M in cost savings in 2013 alone.

Is this a bad thing? Just asking...

Only if DALPA misjudged it as part of our negotiations.

I thought it went into effect in August 2013? Maybe it's August 2014. Either way, why did we add a 7th for the domestic guys? It could have been possible to negotiate 7 short calls for the international categories and keep it at 6 for the domestic categories. I really hope by the time this happens, I will have the choice of not being reserve. Maybe, we will open a base where I live, then I will have a choice to not commute. Living in base, not doing reserve....that would be the life.


From the Negotiators Notepad: The seventh short call to which a pilot may be converted in a bid period in which the ALV is 77:00 or higher (reserve guarantee 75:00 or greater) will be effective concurrently with the implementation of the new FARs which reduce the maximum allowable length of a short call to 14 hours.

From the same NNP about the "Average Daily Guarantee": Average Daily Guarantee of 4:30 per calendar day will be effective November 1, 2012.

Denny

Any good rumors on the Early out program numbers???:confused:

Any body else been denied for the Global Entry Program? Can't even find a phone number to ask why... Can't find the little angry face thingy either.

Only if DALPA misjudged it as part of our negotiations.

A 20% raise in 2 1/2 years is bad? When every other peer airline is in BK or still have worse contracts? Get over it, plz.

newK goes for a run on a layover:

http://chzgifs.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/funny-gifs-epic-moon-walk.gif

A 20% raise in 2 1/2 years is bad? When every other peer airline is in BK or still have worse contracts? Get over it.

It's not 20%, and we gave plenty. But don't let the facts get in the way of your being you. :D (love this smiley face; makes it sound like I've got a friendly smile on my face when I write something like this when I really don't).:D

A 20% raise in 2 1/2 years is bad? When every other peer airline is in BK or still have worse contracts? Get over it, plz.

I don't understand. We will get a 19 percent increase to our hourly rates, and our 737 first officers in 2015 will still make less money than Southwest's 737 first officers do today. DALPA said our contract is industry-leading. Wait, I get it. Southwest is not in our industry. We are legacy-leading.

I don't understand. We will get a 19 percent increase to our hourly rates, and our 737 first officers in 2015 will still make less money than Southwest's 737 first officers do today. DALPA said our contract is industry-leading. Wait, I get it. Southwest is not in our industry. We are legacy-leading.

You still gonna apply over there?

newK goes for a run on a layover:

http://chzgifs.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/funny-gifs-epic-moon-walk.gif

Show off.

But hey, it's better than watching Newk's video of Super playing pool.

Next time Super, don't lose your bet. Or try so hard.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ttsUwSB2b8s/TdHD7PyWh-I/AAAAAAAANZI/YcMeW92EIwU/s1600/poolshot.gif

You still gonna apply over there?

This is something Frank Lorenzo would say!! Just saying! :)

T's panties are in a wad because he didn't get his $100 from The Manager.

Wow, look at the cost savings analysts expect from the switch to 717's from 50-seaters. I think this exceeds the DALPA forecast in savings.

Delta to Add 88 Boeing 717 Fleet - Yahoo! Finance (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/delta-add-88-boeing-717-134511392.html)

Up to $750M in cost savings in 2013 alone.

O MY Godness!!! Carl was right!
The industry leading contract is only 10 days old and I already feel like Bernie Madoff victim. When will we learn?

I am very happy to be here and don't want to apply anywhere esle just in case anyone is wondering. I just want Delta to attract the best of the best, that's all.

Show off.

But hey, it's better than watching Newk's video of Super playing pool.

Next time Super, don't lose your bet. Or try so hard.


Well, I went to an eating establishment Friday night called "Newk's" and I was wondering if he would be in there. Didn't see him though. Good place to eat.

Well that was quick...

I just love keyboard warriors who say crap online that they would never say in person.

Wow, look at the cost savings analysts expect from the switch to 717's from 50-seaters. I think this exceeds the DALPA forecast in savings.

Delta to Add 88 Boeing 717 Fleet - Yahoo! Finance (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/delta-add-88-boeing-717-134511392.html)

Up to $750M in cost savings in 2013 alone.

Wow, $750 million and we will only get 16 aircraft and not until aug. imagine the benefit in 2015. :rolleyes:

Show off.

But hey, it's better than watching Newk's video of Super playing pool.

Next time Super, don't lose your bet. Or try so hard.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ttsUwSB2b8s/TdHD7PyWh-I/AAAAAAAANZI/YcMeW92EIwU/s1600/poolshot.gif

That's actually how the crowd looked when he hit those birds.... :D

That's actually how the crowd looked when he hit those birds.... :D

I've always heard a rumor that having the radar on makes the birds avoid the airplane better.

Let's just say I dispelled that rumor last trip. :D


THWACK!!

I've always heard a rumor that having the radar on makes the birds avoid the airplane better.

Let's just say I dispelled that rumor last trip. :D


THWACK!!

It probably happened less than a minute after I turned the radar back on, "for the birds." :D

The one benefit of a 22.5 year old MD-88, it's harder to get the birds into the front hole where the engine thingy spins around and around.

T's panties are in a wad because he didn't get his $100 from The Manager.

Naaaaah not at all. He should be embarrassed however. (And it was $130)

This is something Frank Lorenzo would say!! Just saying! :)

I was just curious, because he was making a lot of noise about how if this contract didn't bring him restoration, or didn't live up to his expectations that he would be leaving for SWA... I'm just asking if he still wants to leave...

Hummm,

I was going to delete my post on the last page now that the other two posts were yanked, but the edit button is gone. I still don't like keyboard warriors, but for anyone wondering what Ferd'z talking about.................well keep wondering:D

Wow, $750 million and we will only get 16 aircraft and not until aug. imagine the benefit in 2015. :rolleyes:
We will be negotiating a new contract in 2015... what's your point?

i like dr kevin hicks, easy to get to (although at 400/285) but with the new exit off hammond and just 1 mile east. good style and easy to schedule.

KEVIN B HICKS, *DO
1140 HAMMOND DR STE G-7150
ATLANTA, GEORGIA, 30328 *
(770) 481-0019


also he does not gouge on price because youre a delta pilot as some around here admitedly do.



+1 This is who I use.... Good guy

We will be negotiating a new contract in 2015... what's your point?

BWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA :D :D That is funny "T"!!! Couldnt resist!

TEN

We will be negotiating a new contract in 2015... what's your point?


Aahhh, and there it is folks. The old "we'll get em next time."

Aahhh, and there it is folks. The old "we'll get em next time."

yep DPA would have done better!

Aahhh, and there it is folks. The old "we'll get em next time."
I think you meant to say: "We'll be able to get even more next time since we already got a solid improvement this time."


T was merely pointing out that the current PWA will be opened in April of 2015, and with almost 20% higher rates, better work rules and rigs, more pay for vac/trng.

It is great to get all that upfront instead of waiting for 2-3 years and hoping for a retro check, and then being able to pile even more value into the PWA rather than just wrapping up the first deal.


That blurb by Zack's was just a piece of analyst garbage anyway, mixing lots of different info but not saying anything useful or accurate... Gotta do something to justify the boss keeping them on payroll.

yep DPA would have done better!

Hey that brings up an interesting point - what becomes of the DPA now that we have a new contract? Are they still lurking in the shadows, soliciting donations? Will they re-emerge in 2015 with new bag tags?
Not trying to stir up issues over this, but where do they go from here?

Aahhh, and there it is folks. The old "we'll get em next time."


Call it what you want, but fact is that this agreement is amendable in 2015.

And I prefer "We'll get MORE next time"... but whatever makes you happy.

Hey that brings up an interesting point - what becomes of the DPA now that we have a new contract? Are they still lurking in the shadows, soliciting donations? Will they re-emerge in 2015 with new bag tags?
Not trying to stir up issues over this, but where do they go from here?
We'll never be rid of the pastry boys

I think you meant to say: "We'll be able to get even more next time since we already got a solid improvement this time."


Higher ALV = less pilots required. How many fewer pilots do you want on the seniority list?

I guess "solid improvements" are in the eye of the beholder.

Higher ALV = less pilots required. How many fewer pilots do you want on the seniority list?

I guess "solid improvements" are in the eye of the beholder.

Free Bird,

Can you point to any pilot groups that have above average pay by feather bedding?

The one benefit of a 22.5 year old MD-88, it's harder to get the birds into the front hole where the engine thingy spins around and around.

Heck I just thought they heard them coming...such a good sound:) Occasionally a few even dive for cover...that or its just sheer loss of lift by imitating the wing design;)

Hey that brings up an interesting point - what becomes of the DPA now that we have a new contract? Are they still lurking in the shadows, soliciting donations? Will they re-emerge in 2015 with new bag tags?
Not trying to stir up issues over this, but where do they go from here?

Several people I know just sent in cards for the first time due to recent events.

What's up with Brees holding out? Hasn't he seen the powerpoint slides prepared by Saints management? What a D.A....if he'd taken the money they were offering back on June 1 he'd have realized huge Time Value of Money returns! Dude needs to see how it's done by reading some airline news: Do like Delta, Drew: take the first offer ASAP!

Hey that brings up an interesting point - what becomes of the DPA now that we have a new contract? Are they still lurking in the shadows, soliciting donations? Will they re-emerge in 2015 with new bag tags?
Not trying to stir up issues over this, but where do they go from here?

Guess it depends on whether or not an assessment comes down from the TWA issue.

Free Bird,

Can you point to any pilot groups that have above average pay by feather bedding?

In what competitive set?

Free Bird,

Can you point to any pilot groups that have above average pay by feather bedding?

I'm not very bright. What's feather bedding? I already make 78 hours of credit for 35 hours of actual work...

What's up with Brees holding out? Hasn't he seen the powerpoint slides prepared by Saints management? What a D.A....if he'd taken the money they were offering back on June 1 he'd have realized huge Time Value of Money returns! Dude needs to see how it's done by reading some airline news: Do like Delta, Drew: take the first offer ASAP!

He should at least hold out to get a cut from the bounty hunter program. :D

Been thinking....if Delta were the Adams Family, what aircraft would be what character? I'm thinking that the Mad Dog HAS to be Uncle Fester....Mortisha is the A-330, she speaks french....Lurch is the 747....Is Pugsly the 9? A-320?

http://i775.photobucket.com/albums/yy34/MadDogWhisperer/TheAddamsFamily02.jpg

I don't understand. We will get a 19 percent increase to our hourly rates, and our 737 first officers in 2015 will still make less money than Southwest's 737 first officers do today. DALPA said our contract is industry-leading. Wait, I get it. Southwest is not in our industry. We are legacy-leading.

Some of our current 737 FOs will be 717 Capts then, making an extra $70 an hour. How much of a raise is that? 30 MD90s will replace the 17 current DC9-50s, and by the end of 2015 we will have 88 717s that will pay $195 an hour for the Capt by then. Say it won't happen. SAY IT!!!!! (in Van Damme voice during Kumite ending in the movie "Bloodsport")

It's not 20%, and we gave plenty. But don't let the facts get in the way of your being you. :D (love this smiley face; makes it sound like I've got a friendly smile on my face when I write something like this when I really don't).:D

It's 19.7% in pay rates, and then at least another .3% in per diem or intl override. Throw in average day of 4:30, and it will be at least 20%. Say it!!!

Some of our current 737 FOs will be 717 Capts then, making an extra $70 an hour. How much of a raise is that? 30 MD90s will replace the 17 current DC9-50s, and by the end of 2015 we will have 88 717s that will pay $195 an hour for the Capt by then. Say it won't happen. SAY IT!!!!!

Some SWA pilots will also upgrade during that time, and their raise is going to be a lot more than the same DL pilot's raise.

They also won't see their customers ride on a CRJ-200 flown by an understaffed circus of an airline.