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Some of you are kind of jackasses. Sorry I wasted your time asking a couple innocent questions. I hear from my friends at Delta that it is a great place to work and that everyone is so happy. Now I question that, after some of your responses...

And, yes, mil IP with 14 yrs of service. Does that count?

Well some of the things you should have learned are how to think critically, how to write and convey your meaning and most importantly: If you didn't win the debrief, you lost.

Oddly I think this ties into a Regional thread about the "BRO".


I thought the final name choice was the "mansiere":D

ABC affiliate, Channel 9, reporting Comair getting shut down October 1.

No Delta sources quoted on confirmation.

Of course thee billions of dollars flushed are not considered a cost of outsourcing. Sorry to hear this, if true. Many had nothing to do with the unpleasant events hat divided our union. Comair was a multi billion dollar company; then Delta bought them.

ABC affiliate, Channel 8, reporting Comair getting shut down October 1.

No Delta sources quoted on confirmation.

Of course thee billions of dollars flushed are not considered a cost of outsourcing....


WFAA???....

WFAA???....

I-Team: Comair shutting down? (http://www.wcpo.com/dpp/news/local_news/investigations/i-team-comair-shutting-down)

You can get about 5% in a Preferred share fund (Fidelity Focused High Income Fund FHIFX or about 4.5% in a Bond Fund (Fidelity Strategic Income FSICX). This is independent of the increased NAV share price. You can look it up, by I think they are averaging about 6% annually with these two funds. The best thing, I think, is to just buy the preferred shares themselves.

With a par value of 25, there are many offerings that pay between 7 and 8%. Check out Ford preferred, Bank of America Preferred, JP Morgan, Barclays, GM, Credit Suisse etc. If you look at a couple of the high income/dividend funds and compare the top ten holdings of each fund, you will probably see many of the same 'faces' in each fund. Simply buy those preferreds that you see in all of the funds on your own and you will make an extra 1% over the managed funds.

The downside is limited (unless the company goes bankrupt) to the par value in the case of a company recall of the shares.

You can also take some of your cash in invest in a Business Development Unit such as Blackrock Capital (BKCC) or Annalay Capital or Main Street Capital (MAIN). These payers usually pay >8%. They are required by the IRS to payout to the shareholders, 90% of their proceeds. There is more risk involved in these equities, so DYODD. However, if you balance a portfolio so that you have something like 50% in a managed fund, 30% in individual preferreds and 20% in BDUs or capital management funds you will come out with around ann 8% average annual return.

As always, take financial advice from a pilot with a grain of salt. After all, we were all dumb enough to choose this as a career instead of marrying rich.

The discussion on this board may be of some interest to you and dalad

Bogleheads • View topic - Another look at high yield bonds (http://www.bogleheads.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=99452)

A lot? Really?

Yes, a lot. I'd even go so far as to say most. I think if what I've heard on the line the past 10 years is any indication, most would reconsider their career choice. For your average over 50 pilot, that's probably not in the cards. But for a new guy starting out, I'd take a real long hard look at the reality of our profession before committing myself to a lifetime of being literally strapped to it.

Personally, I like it here. I've been very fortunate, extremely so, in this career. But I don't like what I see happening in the industry and to our profession. I'm not sure that in another 10 years piloting for a US airline is going to be something that attracts the calibre of person that it has traditionally. Probably more like a trade or long haul trucking. I don't know if it will come about via cabotage or scope fragmentation, or both... but I think it's coming someday. For our colleagues at LCC and UCAL and AA, that day is today.

I-Team: Comair shutting down? (http://www.wcpo.com/dpp/news/local_news/investigations/i-team-comair-shutting-down)

Before you get lynched on the thread you started, I know what you meant semantically.

Yes, a lot. I'd even go so far as to say most. I think if what I've heard on the line the past 10 years is any indication, most would reconsider their career choice. For your average over 50 pilot, that's probably not in the cards. But for a new guy starting out, I'd take a real long hard look at the reality of our profession before committing myself to a lifetime of being literally strapped to it.

Personally, I like it here. I've been very fortunate, extremely so, in this career. But I don't like what I see happening in the industry and to our profession. I'm not sure that in another 10 years piloting for a US airline is going to be something that attracts the calibre of person that it has traditionally. Probably more like a trade or long haul trucking. I don't know if it will come about via cabotage or scope fragmentation, or both... but I think it's coming someday. For our colleagues at LCC and UCAL and AA, that day is today.

My advice for the past 10 years to aspiring airline pilots is DON'T.

Delta again leads 'Top 10 Airlines' brand ranking
July 17, 2012

For the second consecutive year, Delta has earned the top ranking in Heardable's benchmark "Top 10 Airlines in North America" report, according to CNBC.com.

Unlike other surveys that focus on an airline’s operational performance and customer service, Heardable, a widely recognized brand analysis organization, examines the online experience and how the airline performs as a brand.

“Delta has accomplished what few brands have been able to do in the digital era,” said Jon Samsel, co-founder and CEO of Heardable, Inc. “Not only have they finished No. 1 in two consecutive Heardable research reports profiling the effectiveness of the airline industry, but they’ve manage to make their brand synonymous with a quality online experience.”

Three areas that Heardable said contributed to Delta securing the top spot were sharing and syndicating travel content, search optimization and social media participation.*

With social media, Heardable noted Delta’s different platforms including Facebook, Twitter, YouTube and the airline’s online blog, Under the Wing.

“In addition to what we’re seeing from benchmark reports like Business Travel News and JD Power and Associates, Delta continues to maintain and grow its lead in digital as well,” said Bob Kupbens, v.p.-Marketing and Digital Commerce. “It’s good to see that the collective effort across teams, including delta.com, Marketing, Reservations and Information Technology, is being recognized.”

I cut and pasted below the pertinent paragraph from the article BB posted.

"SkyWest subsidiaries SkyWest Airlines and ExpressJet operate about 90 and 60 Bombardier CRJ200 aircraft , respectively, for Delta, under 15-year contracts that Kraupp says do not expire until 2020. Kraupp is emphatic that Delta does not have any rights in the current contract to tell SkyWest to cease the 50-seater operations before the agreements expire."

Denny


What he is saying here is their current CPA was negotiated prior to CH11, prior to our TA and therefore cannot force them in be in compliance with the holding company language within our PWA if they opt not to re-negotiate their CPA's with DAL for a RJ swap. Effectively em fighting words. :eek:

Then tell SKYW to consider this their official notice that 100% of their contracts witl DAL will never, ever be renewed. Have fun trying to do an IndyAir and whizzing away your nest egg playing around in the real world.


They have eight years to worry about it. From the chatter over at their multiple carriers, it sounds like he is going to make a significant move towards proving that our PWA provisions do not apply to a previously negotiated CPA early next year.

Of course his words are qualified, so he may back down, but as I said earlier, there is chatter over there that something big that does not inclide RJ's is going to go down early next year. All I know is it does not include RJ's, or DAL. From what I gather, people there see it as an event that will make SKW Holdings a career airline.

My guesses are a purchase of someone like NKS, or Virgin America.

Does anyone think we will see vacancies on this next AE? The last couple have been backwards. I fear that the aircraft (737, MD90), if only replacement aircraft, will result in more displacements. Or rather, a complete shake up of everyone junior to a 777 or 747 CA.

Yes. I suspect that the DTW 744 A and B, 330 A and 77 A and B will see openings. The rest will probably not be backfilled. Just my guess based on where the 115 early outs are coming from as well as demand for bodies due to network changes.

*777 may not materialize on this bid if they opt to keep DHing ATL crews. At some point we will see a shift of 777s to DTW though.

ABC affiliate, Channel 9, reporting Comair getting shut down October 1.

No Delta sources quoted on confirmation.

Of course thee billions of dollars flushed are not considered a cost of outsourcing. Sorry to hear this, if true. Many had nothing to do with the unpleasant events hat divided our union. Comair was a multi billion dollar company; then Delta bought them.


Would not surprise me one bit. Time to get our resident OH pilot on our list.

Would not surprise me one bit. Time to get our resident OH pilot on our list.

With the exception of one of 'em....

They have eight years to worry about it. From the chatter over at their multiple carriers, it sounds like he is going to make a significant move towards proving that our PWA provisions do not apply to a previously negotiated CPA early next year.

Of course his words are qualified, so he may back down, but as I said earlier, there is chatter over there that something big that does not inclide RJ's is going to go down early next year. All I know is it does not include RJ's, or DAL. From what I gather, people there see it as an event that will make SKW Holdings a career airline.

My guesses are a purchase of someone like NKS, or Virgin America.

Are all the RJ's under contract at SKYW until 2020, or just "some" go out til 2020? I doubt they all go out that far.

Plus some wouldn't need to go until 2015 anyway. I'm sure by then quite a few SKYW/ASA/ExpressJet leases will be long expired. The company also has some "flex" of about a dozen 70 and 76 seaters coming off lease prior to the end of 2015 anyway, which could be used to lower the hull count in the "hard cap". I have no problem making them do that. I would also give them relief for 5 fifty seaters for a couple years if they permantly remove five 99.9Klbs jets from non union DPJ or fly them with our pilots. After 2015, 70 and 76 seaters start coming off lease fast and furiously. DL would only have to carry a little bit of RJ fat (yet remain in compliance through lower utilization) until 2015, and then the problem would rapidly fix itself as that meglomaniac JA flails around trying to run a real airline as his saved millions fly out the door.

And anything can be cancelled. The worst we may have to pay are the leases (that we are 100% paying anyway, directly or indirectly, and which will be taken care of by the 2:1 swap regardless) and early out penalties. Force the company to pay those. Let's flush that out right now if we could: how much, exactly, are those penalties? DAL is going to have to pay them, and I seriously doubt they are on the hook for countless billions like some like to pretend. Remember, the cost of the leases, which is by far the lions share of early out penalties, is a zero cost item in this case. Zero.

and



Yes, really: incentivize. On the pilot cost side of the equation, (and I'm sure they look at this in purchasing decisions... remember the 3B6 777 tug-of-war?), LBP incentivizes getting big airplanes, since there is no penalty in terms of added pilot costs. LBP obviously ties pilot pay to airframes, so the bigger the airframe, the lower the pilot cost per seat. On the flip-side of this, the smaller the airplane, the greater the pilot cost per seat. The incentive is for bigger airplanes.

Hell, the incentive is always towards bigger airplanes, as even the productivity system doesn't capture the value of every incremental seat (a 747 doens't pay twice as much as a 757). But LBP ties pilot costs to airframes, and the producticity system ties it more to seats. That's not value judgment on my part, I think it's a simple statement of facts.

As we add seats, we want more pilot money. We have an incentive to ask for this, the company has an incentive to ask for the opposite. The two major beneficiaries to LBP are the company, and senior pilots that don't like what their seniority is buying them right now, and want to downgrade equipment for better in category seniority, without taking a paycut.

The current sytem isn't flawed T, the problem is that it's incompatible with your wishes. The guy one junior to you that's flying the M88 made a sacrfice in pay, and some other areas, but he's senior. He doesn't want your flying, or he'd bid for it, and he doesn't deserve to have you show up in his category under a LBP sytsem. He's already done what you don't want to do, and made compromises on how to leverage his seniority.

So you're approaching the problem backwards, and asking how we might make the system conform to your wishes. The problem you're running into is that the productivity system is better, and provides more money to the group as a whole. There is no logical argument for LBP that works for the average pilot, only certain senior pilots that might benefit. You simply took a wrong turn when you decided, somewhere, that there is no reason you couldn't fly a 737 in a simpler base, for the same money, since you're senior.

But there is a reason, and it's an obstacle in your way: the productivity system is better. You just can't see it, partly because I think you're a good guy, and you're sincere in your motivations, but what you're advocating is 100% wrong for the group, and amounts to pulling up the ladder. I'm not accusing you of doing this consciously, or with malice. I'm just pointing out why you're banging your head on this, and failing to convince some of us on LBP: your QOL desires are understandeable, but the LBP system you require to make them a reality is a poor system.

I disagree with all your assertions, but the point is moot since most guys like it if somebody.. even if a precious few are making $300,000/year. In our case, it has always been, and will always be just that.. very few. I'll betcha a cold beer that we will NEVER buy another 747. Never. (You can bring mine to my retirement party) That is why I am thankful that the 777 pays the same, because we WILL buy more of them.

But I am tired of the discussion, so I will be happy to say that I will agree with you to just disagree and let it go at that. And I thank you for your perception that I am not in int for myself, but looking at it for the group as a whole..

can someone please define LBP, LGBP etc..? I have enough acronyms to remember working here and I dont know what these are.

can someone please define LBP, LGBP etc..? I have enough acronyms to remember working here and I dont know what these are.

Longevity Based Pay...

What he is saying here is their current CPA was negotiated prior to CH11, prior to our TA and therefore cannot force them in be in compliance with the holding company language within our PWA if they opt not to re-negotiate their CPA's with DAL for a RJ swap. Effectively em fighting words. :eek:This is why Comair's labor groups can't negotiate themselves out of this mess. There is no what 500 pilots can concede enough to satisfy SkyWest management. SkyWest will get to keep their airplanes, ALPA members will lose their jobs.

These damn outsourcing providers are parasites. Why does our management and ALPA find them "good for Delta" ? Even if you ignore the harm to mainline careers, competing deals have siphoned off the capital value of a 3+ Billion investment in Comair. All of these losses should be accounted for in the cost of outsourcing.

Wonder if Delta will "replace" the 50 seater SkyWest's Captain Gone Bonzo destroyed. (Single piece spar and chemically milled skin ... it is totaled) In associated news George Stephancanopololoponouous has been reporting all day that "COMMERCIAL JETLINERS AREN"T LOCKED" ... "THIS IS A SECURITY THREAT" ... "SOMETHING MUST BE DONE!!!!!" ... thanks Skywest. Thanks a pant load for not screening or monitoring the people you hire to replace Delta pilots.

Longevity Based Pay...

Thanks. my brain is cluttered with BEERFARTS, NORMY BIA etc...Delta has more acronyms than i've ever seen before.

tmtowtdi ....

Yes. I suspect that the DTW 744 A and B, 330 A and 77 A and B will see openings. The rest will probably not be backfilled. Just my guess based on where the 115 early outs are coming from as well as demand for bodies due to network changes.

*777 may not materialize on this bid if they opt to keep DHing ATL crews. At some point we will see a shift of 777s to DTW though.

Don't know about 330 or 777 but 747 A & B both have lots of extras in category . Some days up to 40 guys on res for 3 departures . Think they will just let the early out thin things down to normal.

[thanks Skywest. Thanks a pant load for not screening or monitoring the people you hire to replace Delta pilots

What a crock! How ignorant to just simply place the blame on SkyWest. They do in fact have a pretty thorough screening process. But of course nobody screens them better than mighty Delta. :rolleyes:

Did you say the same about the Jet Blue when their captain lost it?

People snap and most times you can never see it coming. Do you blame the regionals for everything that goes wrong in your life too?

nevermind.

thanks Skywest. Thanks a pant load for not screening or monitoring the people you hire to replace Delta pilots.

Really...They should hire more pilots like Delta has hired..Here are 2 great examples.

Delta Suspends Pilot Who Aimed Own Plane at Police (Update1) - Bloomberg (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aRRs_mr0DO_A)

* Delta pilot sentenced to 3 consecutive life terms for spousal rape, abuse | The Citizen Online (http://archive.thecitizen.com/node/36613)

Shall I go on?

Shall I go on?[/QUOTE]


Yes! Please go on and on! :D

Oh and BB, nothing is in a bunch, but where can I get that shirt? :p

... thanks Skywest. Thanks a pant load for not screening or monitoring the people you hire to replace ASA pilots.
There Joe, fixed it for you.

As for the DC-3 thing, the County Code Enforcement Officer apparently lied and as far as I know any and all charges where dropped. He was doing an engine run and compass swing. He asked her to move back, she did, so he taxied his airplane to where it needed to be parked.

Her story was "her tried to run over me with an airplane." As you surely would understand, no one would want to wreck their restored classic aircraft into a vehicle.

The locals had been trying to run "large" airplanes off the airport since someone crashed the DC4 and blew the Piggly Wiggly to smithereens. The City had allowed building within the runway clear zone and when they failed to shut down the entire airport they went after the operators of "big" airplanes as a safety hazard.

Shall I go on?Please do if you enjoy the APC version of "walking the Appalachian Trail"

Really...They should hire more pilots like Delta has hired..Here are 2 great examples.

Delta Suspends Pilot Who Aimed Own Plane at Police (Update1) - Bloomberg (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aRRs_mr0DO_A)

* Delta pilot sentenced to 3 consecutive life terms for spousal rape, abuse | The Citizen Online (http://archive.thecitizen.com/node/36613)

Shall I go on?

For once I agree with Joe. Wow. Bucking Bar, as a former Skywest employee I completely disagree with laying blame on the company. ONE guy of thousands of employees went nuts. If you were CEO how would you find that needle in a haystack? Would you require all employees to self disclose every breakup, divorce, financial problem, or any other stressful event? How could you as CEO monitor every employee? As a pilot would you like your employer to force you to have mental screening at each sim ride? Your post wreaks of the immature drivel written in the closed Skywest thread on the regional board. Your better than this Bar. I've seen shining examples of well thought out posts. This was not one of them.

Don't know about 330 or 777 but 747 A & B both have lots of extras in category . Some days up to 40 guys on res for 3 departures . Think they will just let the early out thin things down to normal.

Some of that is due to the capacity reduction and some of that is due to planes getting AVOD and pax seat mods. I don't think Delta has actually "parked" any of the original planes. Someday they will go back to normal ops.

Hoser,

Actually, we pilots are supposed to self disclose some of the behaviors and events you mention. I do not know if non union Skywest has anything like a HIMS (Human Intervention Motivational Study) program, but it is a great program. It is a legit question. As union members we have a non punitive safe harbor if heaven forbid something happens which requires assistance. Do non union carriers enjoy such non punitive self disclosure?

If I stated it in an inflammatory way, I apologize. Just venting frustration over the situation. Nobody likes to see things like this happen.

Hoser,

Actually, we pilots are supposed to self disclose some of the behaviors and events you mention. I do not know if non union Skywest has anything like a HIMS (Human Intervention Motivational Study) program, but it is a great program. It is a legit question. As union members we have a non punitive safe harbor if heaven forbid something happens which requires assistance. Do non union carriers enjoy such non punitive self disclosure?

If I stated it in an inflammatory way, I apologize. Just venting frustration over the situation. Nobody likes to see things like this happen.

Yes, non union SkyWest has a HIMS program. It would be hard to believe that the individual involved in this incident did not know about it. I don't think it mattered.

I know you might like to think that our non union status is the root of all evil, but I think it has nothing to do with this case. This guy didn't kill his girlfriend and then himself in spectacular fashion because he was concerned about disclosing his feelings at work.

Surprise,

Since I made everyone angry with that post, I will ask that the mods remove it and change my screen name to:

"Bland Bowl of Thin Lukewarm Oatmeal who can't Possibly Offend Anyone, no matter how much they like being offended."*

* Credit to the race organizers of the Miami Lemons race after complaints came in to their "Cuba Del Norte'" race went unappreciated by Miami residents.

Don't know about 330 or 777 but 747 A & B both have lots of extras in category . Some days up to 40 guys on res for 3 departures . Think they will just let the early out thin things down to normal.

With three 744's going through the cabin mods at the same time, of course the are. All of that will be done by the end of the year.

I disagree with all your assertions, but the point is moot since most guys like it if somebody.. even if a precious few are making $300,000/year. In our case, it has always been, and will always be just that.. very few. I'll betcha a cold beer that we will NEVER buy another 747. Never. (You can bring mine to my retirement party) That is why I am thankful that the 777 pays the same, because we WILL buy more of them.

But I am tired of the discussion, so I will be happy to say that I will agree with you to just disagree and let it go at that. And I thank you for your perception that I am not in int for myself, but looking at it for the group as a whole..

OK, fair enough. I'm having a cold one right now, and I'll agree about the 747.

As for LBP, I inderstand your perspective, and am fine with a healthy difference of opinions.

Nasdrovye! (sp)!

Wow, they sandblasted the "Delta" off of that Sky West jet pretty quickly.

[insert comment about out-of-compliance DCI markings here]

[QUOTE=Bucking Bar;1231770]Surprise,

Since I made everyone angry with that post, I will ask that the mods remove it and change my screen name to:

"Bland Bowl of Thin Lukewarm Oatmeal who can't Possibly Offend Anyone, no matter how much they like being offended."*

QUOTE]

Well...you could still be BB:D

I like it...rolls off the tongue.

If you were CEO how would you find that needle in a haystack?

Now we're finding needles in the haystacks? What is this industry coming to?!? :eek:

I-Team: Comair shutting down? (http://www.wcpo.com/dpp/news/local_news/investigations/i-team-comair-shutting-down)

Hopefully they will get preferential hiring.

Now we're finding needles in the haystacks? What is this industry coming to?!? :eek:


All right Boomer, you asked! Lol



New harlequin novel......

He grasped me firmly, but gently, just above my elbow and guided me into a room, his room.

Then he quietly shut the door and we were alone. He approached me soundlessly, from behind, and spoke in a low, reassuring voice close to my ear.

"Just relax."

Without warning, he reached down and I felt his strong, calloused hands start at my ankles, gently probing, and moving upward along my calves, slowly but steadily.

My breath caught in my throat. I knew I should be afraid, but somehow I didn't care. His touch was so experienced, so sure.

When his hands moved up onto my thighs, I gave a slight shudder, and partly closed my eyes.

My pulse was pounding. I felt his knowing fingers caress my abdomen, my rib-cage. Then, as he cupped my firm, full bosom in his hands, I inhaled sharply.

Probing, searching, knowing what he wanted, he brought his hands to my shoulders, slid them down my tingling spine to my midsection.

Although I knew nothing about this man, I felt oddly trusting and expectant. This is a man, I thought, used to taking charge.

A man not used to taking 'No' for an answer.
A man who would tell me what he wanted.
A man who would look into my soul and say
. . . .



“Okay ma'am, you can board your flight now."



(sent to me earlier today but edited to make it MOD worthy....I hope!)

Hopefully they will get preferential hiring.

Yup, that program is already in place. Of course the jobs are in Trainer, PA and require a background in petroleum processing.

Don't know about 330 or 777 but 747 A & B both have lots of extras in category . Some days up to 40 guys on res for 3 departures . Think they will just let the early out thin things down to normal.

Soon as the lie-flat mods are done (Nov) they will be properly staffed. Add early outs and they will be short. Predict awards/reinstatements to both 744 seats.

All right Boomer, you asked! Lol



New harlequin novel......

He grasped me firmly, but gently, just above my elbow and guided me into a room, his room.

Then he quietly shut the door and we were alone. He approached me soundlessly, from behind, and spoke in a low, reassuring voice close to my ear.

"Just relax."

Without warning, he reached down and I felt his strong, calloused hands start at my ankles, gently probing, and moving upward along my calves, slowly but steadily.

My breath caught in my throat. I knew I should be afraid, but somehow I didn't care. His touch was so experienced, so sure.

When his hands moved up onto my thighs, I gave a slight shudder, and partly closed my eyes.

My pulse was pounding. I felt his knowing fingers caress my abdomen, my rib-cage. Then, as he cupped my firm, full bosom in his hands, I inhaled sharply.

Probing, searching, knowing what he wanted, he brought his hands to my shoulders, slid them down my tingling spine to my midsection.

Although I knew nothing about this man, I felt oddly trusting and expectant. This is a man, I thought, used to taking charge.

A man not used to taking 'No' for an answer.
A man who would tell me what he wanted.
A man who would look into my soul and say
. . . .



“Okay ma'am, you can board your flight now."



(sent to me earlier today but edited to make it MOD worthy....I hope!)

50 Shades of (TSA) Blue?

While I'm thinking about it, is anybody in a decent bond fund where my money can grow better than the Fidelity money market?

Bond funds are the worst. If you have to have bonds, purchasing a basket of individual bonds is the best course of action. Just remember, the face value of the bond can go down and be less than what you paid for it. The interest payment will continue to be made. But, you just lost your principal.

Bonds funds exacerbate this problem. You lose the value of the bond and the interest payment continues downward at the same time.

While I understand that you are looking for something to do with your cash, you need understand that there is always risk, there is no guarantee of safety either.

Don't be lazy about it. Take the time to educate yourself about investments. Nobody loves your money more than you do. (Except maybe ALPA)

Bond funds are the worst. If you have to have bonds, purchasing a basket of individual bonds is the best course of action.

Don't be lazy about it. Take the time to educate yourself about investments. Nobody loves your money more than you do. (Except maybe ALPA)

Went to a Fidelity seminar recently and they had their 'bond team' there. They said that most of their bond funds were into short and intermediate term bonds. They are in a position to move quickly, however they don't seem to mind the impending rise in inflation that invariably will be here soon. I don't think bond funds are the worst. They are not great, but, the alternative is putting your money under your mattress.

I agree, DYODD however I have been modestly happy with my bond funds as a part of a balanced portfolio.

Soon as the lie-flat mods are done (Nov) they will be properly staffed. Add early outs and they will be short. Predict awards/reinstatements to both 744 seats.

Some of us have smaller goals. Just open up a spot for me out west. Preferably in LAX!

D/FW Airport plans for international expansion
Dallas Business Journal by Matt Joyce, Staff Writer
Date: Tuesday, July 17, 2012, 2:30pm CDT

Dallas/Fort Worth International Airport CEO Jeff Fegan says the airport is likely to add 26 new international destinations served by eight new airlines in the next five years
Matt Joyce
Staff Writer- Dallas Business Journal

Dallas/Fort Worth International Airport* * is planning for significant growth in international destinations in the coming decade, a change that could position it to be one of a few “global portals” in the world.
When it comes to international flying, D/FW Airport currently hosts 12 airlines that serve 48 international destinations.
Airport CEO Jeff Fegan said the airport’s projection for the most-likely growth scenario over the next five years includes adding 26 new international destinations served by eight new airlines. That includes direct flights to Beijing, Shanghai, Istanbul, Abu Dhabi, Barcelona, Istanbul, Lima, Quito, Bogota and other cities.
The low-growth scenario envisions 18 new international destinations served by six new airlines, while the high-growth scenario envisions 35 new international destinations served by 10 new airlines, Fegan said.
“These are all markets that we’ve had discussions with, or we’ve had indications from airlines, or from our outside experts that these are markets that can be supported,” Fegan told the D/FW Airport board of directors during a recent annual retreat.
Mike Boyd, aviation consultant and chairman of Boyd Group International, made a presentation to the board during its retreat. He described the industry as developing toward "global portals" that serve at least 80 or 90 international destinations, while also providing enough connectivity to domestic destinations to meet market demands.
“The idea that being a businessman coming from Shanghai, going to Sao Paulo, where is he going to connect? And how do you make enough connectivity to smaller markets? It’s called a global portal,” Boyd said.
Dubai, with 120 to 130 global destinations, is the world’s only global portal at present, Boyd said. But airports in the United States, particularly Houston, Atlanta and D/FW, are competing for the same kind of business in North America.
“You do have competition for global portals that are going to move people from one continent to another continent over a central spot,” Boyd told the D/FW Airport board. “That’s going to be the name of the game for the future.”

Contact Us - Dallas Business Journal (http://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/about-us/contact/)

All right Boomer, you asked! Lol



New harlequin novel......

He grasped me firmly, but gently, just above my elbow and guided me into a room, his room.

Then he quietly shut the door and we were alone. He approached me soundlessly, from behind, and spoke in a low, reassuring voice close to my ear.

"Just relax."

Without warning, he reached down and I felt his strong, calloused hands start at my ankles, gently probing, and moving upward along my calves, slowly but steadily.

My breath caught in my throat. I knew I should be afraid, but somehow I didn't care. His touch was so experienced, so sure.

When his hands moved up onto my thighs, I gave a slight shudder, and partly closed my eyes.

My pulse was pounding. I felt his knowing fingers caress my abdomen, my rib-cage. Then, as he cupped my firm, full bosom in his hands, I inhaled sharply.

Probing, searching, knowing what he wanted, he brought his hands to my shoulders, slid them down my tingling spine to my midsection.

Although I knew nothing about this man, I felt oddly trusting and expectant. This is a man, I thought, used to taking charge.

A man not used to taking 'No' for an answer.
A man who would tell me what he wanted.
A man who would look into my soul and say
. . . .



“Okay ma'am, you can board your flight now."



(sent to me earlier today but edited to make it MOD worthy....I hope!)

http://www.dailyhaha.com/_pics/dog_laughing.jpg

and i just emailed that out.

and i finally figured out what all of the 50 shares of gray and magic mike talk is all about. FB has made no sense for me for a while. I'd much rather talk ratios and pwa's and 88-isms.

can someone please define LBP, LGBP etc..? I have enough acronyms to remember working here and I dont know what these are.

Don't let it force an important acronym out of your head like MAAPPPPP.

"It has something to do with non ILS approaches but I'm not sure what. I just wanted to use LAVS, but was instructed to use MAAAPPP or something. It was easy to remember, it was a bunch of M's, A's and P's. I forget the number of each though.

So then it was my turn to brief, and my brief went something like this... LAVS.

I was not liked that day."

-FTB
Tales of MD88 Life

Don't let it force an important acronym out of your head like MAAPPPPP.

"It has something to do with non ILS approaches but I'm not sure what. I just wanted to use LAVS, but was instructed to use MAAAPPP or something. It was easy to remember, it was a bunch of M's, A's and P's. I forget the number of each though.

So then it was my turn to brief, and my brief went something like this... LAVS.

I was not liked that day."

-FTB
Tales of MD88 Life

They replaced WARTS and NATS?! Must have modified the airplane so it would fly safely with different acronyms. :p

They replaced WARTS and NATS?! Must have modified the airplane so it would fly safely with different acronyms. :p





That's funny!

Way to go RA on his "Wild Turkey" award. What is that anyway? Does he get a case of Wild Turkey? Who on here would win the Jeremiah Weed award?

Way to go RA on his "Wild Turkey" award. What is that anyway? Does he get a case of Wild Turkey? Who on here would win the Jeremiah Weed award?

Winning the Jeremiah weed award is seriously bad for your health. I've competed many times, but I'm pretty sure I've never "won."

I'm a little unclear on which contract provisions are in play so far. I have a pattern that starts tomorrow with a DH to ATL. Am I allowed to DV8 and book possitive space on ExpressJet?

I'm a little unclear on which contract provisions are in play so far. I have a pattern that starts tomorrow with a DH to ATL. Am I allowed to DV8 and book possitive space on ExpressJet?


Depends on if the flight is a DL coded flight. If it is, yes, you can DV8 on DCI now. There is a glitch in the DBMS/ICrew platform to perform this, so you need to call Crew Scheduling: Option 1, Option 5, with the flight(s) you want to DV8 on and they will manually book them for you.

Am always amazed at you guys who are always willing to help those who are lazy or inept at looking things up. Much thanks.

i'm good at remembering the acronyms, i just can't remember what the letters stand for.

Am always amazed at you guys who are always willing to help those who are lazy or inept at looking things up. Much thanks.

Well, there was a note on ICrew about it yesterday. Just takes reading what is put in front of you. :D

BTW, my pleasure.

Disregard...

D/FW Airport plans for international expansion
Dallas Business Journal by Matt Joyce, Staff Writer
Date: Tuesday, July 17, 2012, 2:30pm CDT

Dallas/Fort Worth International Airport CEO Jeff Fegan says the airport is likely to add 26 new international destinations served by eight new airlines in the next five years
Matt Joyce
Staff Writer- Dallas Business Journal

Dallas/Fort Worth International Airport* * is planning for significant growth in international destinations in the coming decade, a change that could position it to be one of a few “global portals” in the world.
When it comes to international flying, D/FW Airport currently hosts 12 airlines that serve 48 international destinations.
Airport CEO Jeff Fegan said the airport’s projection for the most-likely growth scenario over the next five years includes adding 26 new international destinations served by eight new airlines. That includes direct flights to Beijing, Shanghai, Istanbul, Abu Dhabi, Barcelona, Istanbul, Lima, Quito, Bogota and other cities.
The low-growth scenario envisions 18 new international destinations served by six new airlines, while the high-growth scenario envisions 35 new international destinations served by 10 new airlines, Fegan said.
“These are all markets that we’ve had discussions with, or we’ve had indications from airlines, or from our outside experts that these are markets that can be supported,” Fegan told the D/FW Airport board of directors during a recent annual retreat.
Mike Boyd, aviation consultant and chairman of Boyd Group International, made a presentation to the board during its retreat. He described the industry as developing toward "global portals" that serve at least 80 or 90 international destinations, while also providing enough connectivity to domestic destinations to meet market demands.
“The idea that being a businessman coming from Shanghai, going to Sao Paulo, where is he going to connect? And how do you make enough connectivity to smaller markets? It’s called a global portal,” Boyd said.
Dubai, with 120 to 130 global destinations, is the world’s only global portal at present, Boyd said. But airports in the United States, particularly Houston, Atlanta and D/FW, are competing for the same kind of business in North America.
“You do have competition for global portals that are going to move people from one continent to another continent over a central spot,” Boyd told the D/FW Airport board. “That’s going to be the name of the game for the future.”

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Based on that rate of growth, they should be adding runways, just like STL and CVG. Even HSV sincerely thought, almost 10 years ago, that they would become a global leader in air cargo with plans for 4 parallel runways.

I do agree that, at least initially, the fantasy crack huffing international EGO carriers will barf capacity into pretty much every large US market. They have to because they need to put their insanely over ordered EGO planes somewhere.

Based on that rate of growth, they should be adding runways, just like STL and CVG. Even HSV sincerely thought, almost 10 years ago, that they would become a global leader in air cargo with plans for 4 parallel runways.

I do agree that, at least initially, the fantasy crack huffing international EGO carriers will barf capacity into pretty much every large US market. They have to because they need to put their insanely over ordered EGO planes somewhere.

Not all of these carrier have to be foreign.

Also DFW has seven runways, all of which can be used simultaneously. The only thing they may need to add over the next ten years is another international terminal. Of course that will depend on AMR and their end state level of lift out of DFW after CH11 and a possible merger/fragmentation. The DFW airport does not want to have the end result what it is today; AMR with 85% of the lift out of the airport.

Only took one month for the ALV trigger in the new contract to bite me.. amazing!

I'd be done as of saturday, but since I'm just under ALV, I'm on the hook for next week, too. Sheesh!

Only took one month for the ALV trigger in the new contract to bite me.. amazing!

I'd be done as of saturday, but since I'm just under ALV, I'm on the hook for next week, too. Sheesh!

I see a few SC's in your future so you can keep going.

I see a few SC's in your future so you can keep going.

Yup... I've flown every day with no SC's until today.

Only took one month for the ALV trigger in the new contract to bite me.. amazing!

I'd be done as of saturday, but since I'm just under ALV, I'm on the hook for next week, too. Sheesh!

Don't worry. Research was done. It was discovered very few pilots actually come close to ALV. Oh yeah, the staffing formula has not changed. This will not require less pilots. You are an exception. Just over a year from now, you will be able to sit 7 short calls. No big deal though. Research was done on that too. Very few pilots actually sit 6 short calls in a month.

Don't worry. Research was done. It was discovered very few pilots actually come close to ALV. Oh yeah, the staffing formula has not changed. This will not require less pilots. You are an exception. Just over a year from now, you will be able to sit 7 short calls. No big deal though. Research was done on that too. Very few pilots actually sit 6 short calls in a month.


True, but in international categories those 24 hr periods will be 14 and pilots will sit most if not all of the seven.

In the last three months I have had two that went to six SC's. This month I sat six by the 15th. Its all legal, but we should be, at a min, getting suit up pay for every SC sat. It now goes against RAW, but there is no true credit for it.

Yup... I've flown every day with no SC's until today.


Maybe you will get lucky. 70% change of TRW's today. Nice out, layo and back should take care of ya.



* Don't forget, we are over staffed right now. Wait until the retirements kick in with the need for less pilots per block hr. At that time, you will really work.

Maybe you will get lucky. 70% change of TRW's today. Nice out, layo and back should take care of ya.



* Don't forget, we are over staffed right now. Wait until the retirements kick in with the need for less pilots per block hr. At that time, you will really work.

I got hit for a looong 2 dhd one fly leg day trip today on SC at 0500 today, then just checked and I got a 2 day tomorrow... putting me just below ALV.

While I'm at it, I was on SC at 0430- this trip ends at 2130 tonight. That's way over 16 hours, but the last leg is a dhd... how is this legal? Scheduling said it is since the last leg is a dhd, but that doesn't sound quite right...

I know at my previous company it would not have been...

i'm good at remembering the acronyms, i just can't remember what the letters stand for.

PM: "Approach Briefing..."

PF: "Uh... WARTS!"

PM: "You mean NATS?"

PF: "Uh... NATS!"

PM: "Approach Briefing complete."

:D

Would this make 80 an ungrateful deadhead?

(I do agree it sounds wrong)

While I'm at it, I was on SC at 0430- this trip ends at 2130 tonight. That's way over 16 hours, but the last leg is a dhd... how is this legal? Scheduling said it is since the last leg is a dhd, but that doesn't sound quite right...

I know at my previous company it would not have been...

You weren't represented by DALPA at your last company now were you?

:D

I'm kind of teasing.

What I believe is it right. One time I timed out and they pulled me out of the cockpit (not physically) and found an FO walking off another airplane and put him in my place and put me in the back and I deadheaded to DTW. So I went beyond 16 hours.

I'll go double check the PWA, unless Bill Lumberg wants to look for you. :D

PM: "Approach Briefing..."

PF: "Uh... WARTS!"

PM: "You mean NATS?"

PF: "Uh... NATS!"

PM: "Approach Briefing complete."

:D

What was the additive to NATS on the 88? NATS HALF LAVS?

I just said approach briefing complete, hold my beer, brace for impact because I could never remember what the half thing stood for. :)

Don't worry. Research was done. It was discovered very few pilots actually come close to ALV. Oh yeah, the staffing formula has not changed. This will not require less pilots. You are an exception. Just over a year from now, you will be able to sit 7 short calls. No big deal though. Research was done on that too. Very few pilots actually sit 6 short calls in a month.

Which is confirmed by the fact several guys are, right now, NOT posting that they're getting [deleted]. 80 must not be significant, statistically speaking.

There: that should make him feel better.

Would this make 80 an ungrateful deadhead?

(I do agree it sounds wrong)

Considering we have 4.5 hours of deadheads split between 2 legs with one flying leg in between, yes! :)

True, but in international categories those 24 hr periods will be 14 and pilots will sit most if not all of the seven.

In the last three months I have had two that went to six SC's. This month I sat six by the 15th. Its all legal, but we should be, at a min, getting suit up pay for every SC sat. It now goes against RAW, but there is no true credit for it.

I gotta feeling we'll see mass SC's even in the winter. I didn't care much about what was in sections 2-28, but I'm going to go read up and see iff my hunch is right. Somehow we've got to get reserves up from 45 hours to the PBS staffing formula of 60.

What was the additive to NATS on the 88? NATS HALF LAVS?

I just said approach briefing complete, hold my beer, brace for impact because I could never remember what the half thing stood for. :)

I use my hand, like I was a CFI, and I demonstrate an airplane flaring and say "we're going to like this, then this, then like that, and there."

Also, "visual... backed up by the CAT III."

Those are my favorites.

Now before someone blowed up. I've memorized 7 things in ATL: 27L tower, 27R tower, ramps 1, 2, 3, maintenance and passenger service. I still have to look everything else up. Somewhat intentional.

btw, damn wish I had thought of this:

http://www.thegreenhead.com/imgs/xl/missile-balloons-for-your-car-xl.jpg

DAL stock's taking a pounding today...any info on why? What do we expect for next week's earnings numbers?

Phone rings...

Me: "Hello?" (I'm a little tired - been sleeping late in the day after an early morning turn)
Scheduling: "Hi, Elvis, this is Pat in scheduling."
Me: "Howdy."
Scheduling: "Elvis, I see you acknowledged your 6th short call tomorrow morning at 5:30 AM, but it's coming up as illegal."
Me: "Illegal?" (as I'm yawning inadvertently)
Scheduling: "Yes, so we're just gonna switch that to 10 AM, alright?"
Me: "OK"
Scheduling: "I'll show you acknowledged!"

I got hit for a looong 2 dhd one fly leg day trip today on SC at 0500 today, then just checked and I got a 2 day tomorrow... putting me just below ALV.
Creative use of out/in times....just saying!:rolleyes:

DAL stock's taking a pounding today...any info on why? What do we expect for next week's earnings numbers?

LCC fell 7%. I think we'll show a 2Q profit between $600-700M on record revenue. Oil is up to $92/barrel due to 'tensions in the Gulf', aka 'Iran'.

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I got hit for a looong 2 dhd one fly leg day trip today on SC at 0500 today, then just checked and I got a 2 day tomorrow... putting me just below ALV.

I'm sure you meant this, but for all the lurkers out there who get their contract knowledge from reading APC:

ALV isn't when you are done... It is when you reach your reserve guarantee , which is normally ALV -2:00, and much lower when you have CQ or vacation.

Clamp would actually be done if he was "just under ALV" (i.e. his accumulated credit is within 2:00 of ALV).

Phone rings...

Me: "Hello?" (I'm a little tired - been sleeping late in the day after an early morning turn)
Scheduling: "Hi, Elvis, this is Pat in scheduling."
Me: "Howdy."
Scheduling: "Elvis, I see you acknowledged your 6th short call tomorrow morning at 5:30 AM, but it's coming up as illegal."
Me: "Illegal?" (as I'm yawning inadvertently)
Scheduling: "Yes, so we're just gonna switch that to 10 AM, alright?"
Me: "OK"
Scheduling: "I'll show you acknowledged!"

I have one...

1930 SC.

I got a call at 0130, showed at 0300, departed at 0430, high fived the surprised crew staggering up to the gate showing for an 0600 go and meets us walking off the plane.

Back at 0800.

Funny.


Sort of.

NYC yesterday...

http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/NYC-Storm_Inga-Sarda-Sorensen.jpg

I've seen this before but can't remember where...

http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/NYC-Storm_Twitter-Gyro-via-Daily-Mail-620x333.jpg

Oh yeah, now I remember. There is a nearly naked woman at the top there with some weird dogs, and a big fat marshmallow man coming down the road.

While I'm at it, I was on SC at 0430- this trip ends at 2130 tonight. That's way over 16 hours, but the last leg is a dhd... how is this legal? Scheduling said it is since the last leg is a dhd, but that doesn't sound quite right...

I know at my previous company it would not have been...

Bumping this because I don't see how it's legal either per Whitlow.

While I'm at it, I was on SC at 0430- this trip ends at 2130 tonight. That's way over 16 hours, but the last leg is a dhd... how is this legal? Scheduling said it is since the last leg is a dhd, but that doesn't sound quite right...

I know at my previous company it would not have been...


It is. 15 hrs sked including a operated flight via PWA and no FAR limit

Bumping this because I don't see how it's legal either per Whitlow.

Whitlow does not apply to DH unless prior to a flight. As for post flight with no FAR defined flying you can go non-stop. Was on duty one time for 36 hrs at the end of a DH. There is no real FAR limit to that, only PWA.

While I'm at it, I was on SC at 0430- this trip ends at 2130 tonight. That's way over 16 hours, but the last leg is a dhd... how is this legal? Scheduling said it is since the last leg is a dhd, but that doesn't sound quite right...

I know at my previous company it would not have been...

If your flying ends before 16 hours, but DH is past 16 hours, it's legal, as ACL says. Doesn't mean it doesn't suck! :mad:

They're pushing the boundaries, boys! Time to hire.

If your flying ends before 16 hours, but DH is past 16 hours, it's legal, as ACL says. Doesn't mean it doesn't suck! :mad:

They're pushing the boundaries, boys! Time to hire.


These boundaries will be pushed for the remainder of your career with the work rules in place combined with the retirements coming.

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Whitlow does not apply to DH unless prior to a flight. As for post flight with no FAR defined flying you can go non-stop. Was on duty one time for 36 hrs at the end of a DH. There is no real FAR limit to that, only PWA.

Didn't know that. Maybe 80 should have called in too fatigued to be shoved between two fat paying pax!

NYC yesterday...

http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/NYC-Storm_Inga-Sarda-Sorensen.jpg

I've seen this before but can't remember where...

http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/NYC-Storm_Twitter-Gyro-via-Daily-Mail-620x333.jpg

Oh yeah, now I remember. There is a nearly naked woman at the top there with some weird dogs, and a big fat marshmallow man coming down the road.

NYC was ugly yesterday. We've got crews scattered in hotels you've never heard of. Golden Touch was an hour late picking us up after we were an hour late....and my first room at the downtown hotel had two old Italians in it. I got another one.;)

NYC was ugly yesterday. We've got crews scattered in hotels you've never heard of. Golden Touch was an hour late picking us up after we were an hour late....and my first room at the downtown hotel had two old Italians in it. I got another one.;)

Which is why my phone rang at 0130 this morning on an x day with an inverse assignment.

Phone rings...

Me: "Hello?" (I'm a little tired - been sleeping late in the day after an early morning turn)
Scheduling: "Hi, Elvis, this is Pat in scheduling."
Me: "Howdy."
Scheduling: "Elvis, I see you acknowledged your 6th short call tomorrow morning at 5:30 AM, but it's coming up as illegal."
Me: "Illegal?" (as I'm yawning inadvertently)
Scheduling: "Yes, so we're just gonna switch that to 10 AM, alright?"
Me: "OK"
Scheduling: "I'll show you acknowledged!"

Should have bid the ER in NY. If you're commuting you should commute to a better lifestyle. I sat as the plug on the 88 in ATL for a bit. It sucks!! Way more gentlemanly sitting reserve of the ER. A lot less legs!!

Phone rings...

Me: "Hello?" (I'm a little tired - been sleeping late in the day after an early morning turn)
Scheduling: "Hi, Elvis, this is Pat in scheduling."
Me: "Howdy."
Scheduling: "Elvis, I see you acknowledged your 6th short call tomorrow morning at 5:30 AM, but it's coming up as illegal."
Me: "Illegal?" (as I'm yawning inadvertently)
Scheduling: "Yes, so we're just gonna switch that to 10 AM, alright?"
Me: "OK"
Scheduling: "I'll show you acknowledged!"

Should have bid the ER in NY. If you're commuting you should commute to a better lifestyle. I sat as the plug on the 88 in ATL for a bit. It sucks!! Way more gentlemanly sitting reserve of the ER. A lot less legs!!

What about 24-hour short call? Isn't 12-hour short call preferable domestically?

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btw, damn wish I had thought of this:

http://www.thegreenhead.com/imgs/xl/missile-balloons-for-your-car-xl.jpg

I'm not sure why this is so funny, but I sat here laughing for a good couple of minutes, imagining driving to the employee lot in DTW, through downtown Detroit no less, with these things trailing my suv. To be honest, the folks in downtown Detroit probably wouldn't even look twice.

I have a pretty good opportunity to be a FNG when Delta hires.
I am aware that New hire Pilots have housing paid for during the first 2 weeks of indoc and then you are on your own.

Can anyone give me details of what they have done?
Hotel, Crashpad, RV,
How long is the training footprint?

Trying to plan ahead of time and start saving $ towards this time so thats one lest thing to worry about.

Thanks

.............

Hey 80,

Look at Negotiators notepad 12-12 under scheduling section. It says that the point at which a reserve is "full" does not change until December.

I have a pretty good opportunity to be a FNG when Delta hires.
I am aware that New hire Pilots have housing paid for during the first 2 weeks of indoc and then you are on your own.

Can anyone give me details of what they have done?
Hotel, Crashpad, RV,
How long is the training footprint?

Trying to plan ahead of time and start saving $ towards this time so thats one lest thing to worry about.

Thanks

You're probably a planner like the rest of us, but you may want to wait until indoc to get recommendations on places to stay in Atlanta. The new hire coordinator will help step you through everything you need, and one big help he could give you is in hotels/crashpads during sim training.

Early out update from a CPO type yesterday. Up to about 160 now, approx 10 per day. He said he expected about 300 total by the 30th.

Anyone have the time or the patience to explain how the swap board really works?

If I want to pick up a trip, does my schedule have to be clear for the days that operate?

Is there a way for me to pick up a trip, and not have to give up a trip I already have on my line in the blind without knowing if I can get the trip beforehand?

Ok. Those are the two main questions.

Didn't we have a bunch of guys who put in for the early out last time rescind it either right before the cutoff date or right after it?

Didn't we have a bunch of guys who put in for the early out last time rescind it either right before the cutoff date or right after it?

about 20 pulled papers in the 2 weeks after the submission deadline

Anyone have the time or the patience to explain how the swap board really works?

If I want to pick up a trip, does my schedule have to be clear for the days that operate?

Is there a way for me to pick up a trip, and not have to give up a trip I already have on my line in the blind without knowing if I can get the trip beforehand?

Ok. Those are the two main questions.
A "swap with the pot" is only going to be awarded if the days dropped (and not covered up with the new trip) are above min coverage.

A "swap board" pickup has to be over off days, or you can personal drop your trip that is on your schedule and then pick up the trip from the swap board.

A personal drop and swap with the pot are both processed on a PCS run.
A swap board transaction can occur at any time.

PM if you want more info.

Anyone have the time or the patience to explain how the swap board really works?

If I want to pick up a trip, does my schedule have to be clear for the days that operate?

Is there a way for me to pick up a trip, and not have to give up a trip I already have on my line in the blind without knowing if I can get the trip beforehand?

Ok. Those are the two main questions.

Nevermind..shiz answered it

Didn't know that. Maybe 80 should have called in too fatigued to be shoved between two fat paying pax!

And today's Deadheading award goes to.... drum roll... 80ktsclamp!

http://i938.photobucket.com/albums/ad230/ForgottoBid/temp5a.jpg

Not only do you have a double deadhead, you, have a trip tomorrow. Please acknowledge. Thank you.

about 20 pulled papers in the 2 weeks after the submission deadline

Yep, brain, work still works.... still... yep

http://www.umnet.com/pic/diy/screensaver/1%5CHomers-Brain--19897.gif

:D

I think we'll show a large loss on the fuel hedges. Large.

Anyone have the time or the patience to explain how the swap board really works?

If I want to pick up a trip, does my schedule have to be clear for the days that operate?

Is there a way for me to pick up a trip, and not have to give up a trip I already have on my line in the blind without knowing if I can get the trip beforehand?

Ok. Those are the two main questions.

I saw your schedule for next month. :eek: I expected these questions from you. :D

I'll PM you later if no one answers soon. Commuting home right now.

Hey 80,

Look at Negotiators notepad 12-12 under scheduling section. It says that the point at which a reserve is "full" does not change until December.

Thanks! I'm 3 hrs below ALV... Not much they can do with me then

Oh, and 38B on a 757 for more ride home tonight. Ftb's picture applies. :)

Thanks! I'm 3 hrs below ALV... Not much they can do with me then

Oh, and 38B on a 757 for more ride home tonight. Ftb's picture applies. :)

I always enjoyed 38DDs, but that's just me (and most others on here)!

I think we'll show a large loss on the fuel hedges. Large.

I expect us to announce growth.

I expect us to announce growth.

Forget to logoff?

I have a pretty good opportunity to be a FNG when Delta hires.
I am aware that New hire Pilots have housing paid for during the first 2 weeks of indoc and then you are on your own.

Can anyone give me details of what they have done?
Hotel, Crashpad, RV,
How long is the training footprint?

Trying to plan ahead of time and start saving $ towards this time so thats one lest thing to worry about.

Thanks

Most guys get together with others in their new hire class and look for crashpads. Plenty right behind the Comfort Inn on Virgina Ave that are convenient to about 5 different Hotel shuttles.

Or you could always try this:

I LIVE IN A VAN DOWN BY THE RIVER - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nhgfjrKi0o)

Scoop :)

I expect us to announce growth.

That is a correct statement.

Looks like 5-10x E190s and 5x A330s coming in the next year, all as growth airplanes.

Additionally, roughly a dozen A321s coming as replacements for 737-300/400... more capacity growth but not fleet growth.


Or, wait, were you talking about another "us"?

I always enjoyed 38DDs, but that's just me (and most others on here)!

The only thing wrong with that is when you dead head the 38 double D's are usually on a man who smells like an onion merchant who cleans septic tanks on his off days.

I expect us to announce growth.

At GoJets ..... just saw their sign for Captain recruitment.

What's the difference in command of a 118 seat jet and a 90 seat jet? Answer: 15 years.

I have a pretty good opportunity to be a FNG when Delta hires.
I am aware that New hire Pilots have housing paid for during the first 2 weeks of indoc and then you are on your own.

Can anyone give me details of what they have done?
Hotel, Crashpad, RV,
How long is the training footprint?

Trying to plan ahead of time and start saving $ towards this time so thats one lest thing to worry about.

ThanksTell us more. Your confidence might confirm a rumor going around.

There are lots of crash pads in College Park. There is no college and no park, but plenty of crash pads.

PM: "Approach Briefing..."

PF: "Uh... WARTS!"

PM: "You mean NATS?"

PF: "Uh... NATS!"

PM: "Approach Briefing complete."

:D

Made me chuckle, I did that the other day. DUUUHH!:D

Tell us more. Your confidence might confirm a rumor going around.

There are lots of crash pads in College Park. There is no college and no park, but plenty of crash pads.

There's a park. It just looks like a cemetary.

Anyone have the time or the patience to explain how the swap board really works?

If I want to pick up a trip, does my schedule have to be clear for the days that operate?

Is there a way for me to pick up a trip, and not have to give up a trip I already have on my line in the blind without knowing if I can get the trip beforehand?

Ok. Those are the two main questions.

Newk;

If its the pilot to pilot swap board and a guy has it as a drop or swap, if you try to pick it up, it will go thru if its legal.

Shiz answered the DBMS swapboard part...I don't mess with it really. If you've got something that sux, dump it and put in a wildcard pickup for the number of day trip you want when you want it...60-70% chance of success (which means 30-40% chance of failure).

I think we'll show a large loss on the fuel hedges. Large.

That was announced several weeks ago. Analysts still expect a profit of 68 cents a share which is much more than last year. The company expects to set aside 125 to 150 million for profit sharing according to the sec filing.

I have a pretty good opportunity to be a FNG when Delta hires.
I am aware that New hire Pilots have housing paid for during the first 2 weeks of indoc and then you are on your own.

Can anyone give me details of what they have done?
Hotel, Crashpad, RV,
How long is the training footprint?

Trying to plan ahead of time and start saving $ towards this time so thats one lest thing to worry about.

Thanks

A couple hundred a month max for a pad or you can splurge for $40-50 a night for hotels, you can split with a bud, only need a room 4-5 nights a week . Footprint will depend on AC type, training delays at the time (varies a lot with AC) but between 1 to 2 months in most cases. Again, a couple hundred a month. While I wish DL would pay for hotels though initial sims, its honestly a minor expense.

I think we'll show a large loss on the fuel hedges. Large.

I thought they said 150M hit from that, but revenue is up so who knows.

Tell us more. Your confidence might confirm a rumor going around.

There are lots of crash pads in College Park. There is no college and no park, but plenty of crash pads.

Rumor? What Rumor?

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A "swap with the pot" is only going to be awarded if the days dropped (and not covered up with the new trip) are above min coverage.

A "swap board" pickup has to be over off days, or you can personal drop your trip that is on your schedule and then pick up the trip from the swap board.

A personal drop and swap with the pot are both processed on a PCS run.
A swap board transaction can occur at any time.

PM if you want more info.

I saw your schedule for next month. :eek: I expected these questions from you. :D

I'll PM you later if no one answers soon. Commuting home right now.

Nevermind..shiz answered it

Thanks fellas. I will PM you guys with my questions.

I think we'll show a large loss on the fuel hedges. Large.

There will be some supposedly, but Brent crude has climbed back up above $100, so I don't think future hedge losses for the next few will be as high.

Newk;

If its the pilot to pilot swap board and a guy has it as a drop or swap, if you try to pick it up, it will go thru if its legal.

Shiz answered the DBMS swapboard part...I don't mess with it really. If you've got something that sux, dump it and put in a wildcard pickup for the number of day trip you want when you want it...60-70% chance of success (which means 30-40% chance of failure).

With my luck at playing the reserve game the last few weeks, I'm sure the percentages will be much lower for me. :D

The main question I had was if I wanted to pick up a trip from the pilot to pilot board, when I already had a trip on my line in which the trip operated, would it drop my original trip. You and everyone else are confirming that it won't go through at all. I have to drop my original trip first in a PCS run.

Question..was rerouted into a day off and my time card now shows re-route pay. Is that pay over and above credit? And is it paid at 100% or 1/2 time..thanks

Question..was rerouted into a day off and my time card now shows re-route pay. Is that pay over and above credit? And is it paid at 100% or 1/2 time..thanks

The easy answer is the time card keeps a running total of what you are getting paid right below the trips (TTL CREDIT). If you are on reserve virtually everything, with only a few exceptions, goes into the reserve guarantee.

DALLAS (AP) — Southwest Airlines Co. said Thursday that it expects to pay $100 million to refurbish 88 planes that it will lease to Delta Air Lines Inc.

That's twice as much as Southwest expected to spend on makeovers if it had kept the planes. Officials said it still made sense to lease the planes because Southwest will earn more money using bigger jets in their place.

The Boeing 717 jets were operated by AirTran Airways, which Southwest bought last year. Southwest wanted to replace the 117-seat planes with larger Boeing 737s, and Delta agreed to lease them beginning with 16 planes next year and the rest by the end of 2015.

Southwest will repaint the jets in Delta's colors and reconfigure the interiors, Chief Financial Officer Laura Wright said Thursday during a conference call with analysts. She said Southwest had expected to pay about $50 million to remodel them as Southwest aircraft.

Asked why the spending went up, CEO Gary Kelly said it was just part of making a deal with Delta.

"We just amazingly found a home for all 88 of those aircraft," he said.

Kelly said that Southwest will earn so much more money flying the bigger 737s on the same routes that "we will pay for that conversion cost in the first six months."

Wright estimated the benefit of using bigger planes at $200 million per year once all 88 have gone to Delta.

Southwest will take a $140 million accounting charge in the third quarter, with the gap between the charge and cost of the job due to financial help from the manufacturer.

Delta plans to use the 717s to replace 50-seat regional jets that are unprofitable to operate at current high fuel prices and some DC-9 aircraft that came over with the acquisition of Northwest Airlines.

With my luck at playing the reserve game the last few weeks, I'm sure the percentages will be much lower for me. :D

The main question I had was if I wanted to pick up a trip from the pilot to pilot board, when I already had a trip on my line in which the trip operated, would it drop my original trip. You and everyone else are confirming that it won't go through at all. I have to drop my original trip first in a PCS run.

Yes, you are correct.

Early out update from a CPO type yesterday. Up to about 160 now, approx 10 per day. He said he expected about 300 total by the 30th.

Heavy money on less than 200

Its Friday...After All......

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I have a pretty good opportunity to be a FNG when Delta hires.
I am aware that New hire Pilots have housing paid for during the first 2 weeks of indoc and then you are on your own.

Can anyone give me details of what they have done?
Hotel, Crashpad, RV,
How long is the training footprint?

Trying to plan ahead of time and start saving $ towards this time so thats one lest thing to worry about.

Thanks


Curious- where does the confidence come from? I feel I'm in a good spot as well, but among zillions others with 3-5000 hours that all want in. Do you have other quals? Or know someone high up?

Its Friday...After All......

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Too much domestic flying DW....... KL and AF are old and union too!!! (Now V Atl./Singapore/Emirates..... Yowza!:D)

Curious- where does the confidence come from? I feel I'm in a good spot as well, but among zillions others with 3-5000 hours that all want in. Do you have other quals? Or know someone high up?

I am top 20 at CPZ and we have the flow to Delta left over from the Northwest days.

No inside info just connecting the dots.. also our Chief Pilot also stated that they will need to hire for a possible flow late this year early next year.

When is the 4:30 going to become effective for reserves? Also, is it averaged out over the entire month or each rotation. Or even better, is it a day for day minimum? Thanks.

When is the 4:30 going to become effective for reserves? Also, is it averaged out over the entire month or each rotation. Or even better, is it a day for day minimum? Thanks.

Negotiators Notepad 12-12

This gives you the implementation schedule for everything.

When is the 4:30 going to become effective for reserves? Also, is it averaged out over the entire month or each rotation. Or even better, is it a day for day minimum? Thanks.

November 1, 2012. Its an Average Daily Credit of 4:30 per rotation for regular and reserves.

Hey fellas, do you have to wait until the month of in order to move X days? Ie. Do I have to wait until August in order to move some X days around?

Hey fellas, do you have to wait until the month of in order to move X days? Ie. Do I have to wait until August in order to move some X days around?

Opened up this morning.

Have you ever gotten a terrible schedule? And then tried to fix it via pcs?

But you got a few little dates wrong and now your wife is really, really mad?




I have.

Have you ever gotten a terrible schedule? And then tried to fix it via pcs?

But you got a few little dates wrong and now your wife is really, really mad?




I have.

Sounds like you may be getting sick...

Sounds like you may be getting sick...
Hey wait a minute, I'm on reserve :eek:Have you ever gotten a terrible schedule? And then tried to fix it via pcs?

But you got a few little dates wrong and now your wife is really, really mad?

I have.Tell her "If I had those days off Comair pilots would get date of hire."

Can't be a half bad excuse. Worked for our MEC and Delta management for the better part of a decade.

Hey wait a minute, I'm on reserve :eek:

Now that you mention it, so am I.:confused:

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It’s Not Just Malaria Anymore…. Protect Against Dengue Fever

737 Crews to Overnight in Jackson MS

Save yourself, bid the MD88.

Have you ever gotten a terrible schedule? And then tried to fix it via pcs?

But you got a few little dates wrong and now your wife is really, really mad?




I have.

That's nothing. Try forgetting that you had a bid in for 767 captain at any base, and getting an award to LAX 7ER... when you live in MCO... and SHE has no intention of moving... and sitting reserve in MCO was not a real option... Mad didn't begin to describe it.


Rookie... :D


But really.. I feel your pain.

A wife who would rather stay in FL than move to the west coast? :eek:

Sorry, taking the wife to a movie.

May I use 2 payback days over a 4 day trip or do I need 4 payback days?

Sorry, taking the wife to a movie.

May I use 2 payback days over a 4 day trip or do I need 4 payback days?
When you have a regular line, it only takes one day to drop the trip. Reserve is different.

When you have a regular line, it only takes one day to drop the trip. Reserve is different.

Thanks! I hope it works!

Quick question regarding an LOR.

A friend recently submitted one for me. I sent the link to his DAL email, but in the email field on the Airlineapps website he put his own personal email address. Does that make a difference? It was obviously sent from the DAL email account but I'm wondering if DAL sorts internal LOR's via the email field in Airlineapps......just wondering if I need to ask him to resubmit it. Thanks.

Quick question regarding an LOR.

A friend recently submitted one for me. I sent the link to his DAL email, but in the email field on the Airlineapps website he put his own personal email address. Does that make a difference? It was obviously sent from the DAL email account but I'm wondering if DAL sorts internal LOR's via the email field in Airlineapps......just wondering if I need to ask him to resubmit it. Thanks.

I would ask him to resubmit using his delta.com e-mail for contact just to be sure.

What's the best way to get recognized as a legacy family member when applying to Delta? I can't seem to find a specific area in the airline apps site where it will stand out. Thanks.

Don't worry. Research was done. It was discovered very few pilots actually come close to ALV. Oh yeah, the staffing formula has not changed. This will not require less pilots. You are an exception. Just over a year from now, you will be able to sit 7 short calls. No big deal though. Research was done on that too. Very few pilots actually sit 6 short calls in a month.

Not in my category. I always get 6 short calls. They run out of people they can put on short call too because everyone hits the max before the end of the month. But I also went 6 weeks without flying, so I can't really complain.

Funny stuff. I am senior on the ATL M88B, hoping to go to the 717A someday when I can hold it as a line holder. I used to fly the 767 Dom in ATL, but all I was doing was allnighters. No thanks. MSP 73N?? Really? Thanks for all the contract help though. Just remember, short duration, fewer RJs, ratio, 20% raise 3 years, good deal. Have a great night.

Bill, can I ask a quick question?

If you are senior on the 88, when were you hired? pre 9/11 right?

Can anyone chime in on this?


LIDS Retired from Delta Aircraft As communicated via EFCB earlier this year, TechOps began the process of removing the Log Item Deferral Summary (LIDS) from the logbook of "red" aircraft. This process is now complete for all aircraft except the former Hawaiian Airlines (HAL) A330s. Effective July 17th, Aircraft Maintenance Technicians (AMTs) were no longer required to insert the LIDS in the logbooks (with the HAL exception noted above), and there will be no reference to LIDS when clearing a logbook deferral. The LIDS process has been replaced by the Aircraft Discrepancy Report and Cabin Discrepancy Report, which are incorporated into the flight plan paperwork.

Are we going Hawaiian?

Does anyone understand the changes to the reduced lower limit line RLL info. I have bid them in ,the past and now, I just don't understand what they have morphed into.

What's the best way to get recognized as a legacy family member when applying to Delta? I can't seem to find a specific area in the airline apps site where it will stand out. Thanks.

They used to have a selection in the drop down menu on the app but it is no longer there...

They used to have a selection in the drop down menu on the app but it is no longer there...

That's odd.

Can anyone chime in on this?


LIDS Retired from Delta Aircraft As communicated via EFCB earlier this year, TechOps began the process of removing the Log Item Deferral Summary (LIDS) from the logbook of "red" aircraft. This process is now complete for all aircraft except the former Hawaiian Airlines (HAL) A330s. Effective July 17th, Aircraft Maintenance Technicians (AMTs) were no longer required to insert the LIDS in the logbooks (with the HAL exception noted above), and there will be no reference to LIDS when clearing a logbook deferral. The LIDS process has been replaced by the Aircraft Discrepancy Report and Cabin Discrepancy Report, which are incorporated into the flight plan paperwork.

Are we going Hawaiian?


Here is my understanding. LIDS was the way PMNW logged MCO's. PMDL used the white and yellow MCO stickers in the front of the logbook. Back in olden times it was determined to go with the PMDL way of logging MCO's. That has now come to fruition except for the aforementioned HAL 330's that were acquired in the aforementioned olden times!:D

Denny

So last week I'm on a trip and it has a 23 hr layover which happens to be where I live :D So while at home and making dinner I get a call from scheduling. (My first mistake was to answer the phone.) The scheduler proceeds to tell me that another crew was running 5 hrs late and that crew would not be able to make their 0625 show so he was giving them our 1040 show. He had gone through my captain and we were now going to pickup that part of the trip and then DH to our oringinal destination to finish the rest of our rotation. This turned a sch 6.10 hr day into a sch day 9.37 (actual was 10) and due to the amt of credit on the trip, we made nothing extra.

So my question is since I cannot find where it says I am responsible to be on some telephone recall while on a layover, what would happen if I did not take the call and showed as originally planned?

So my question is since I cannot find where it says I am responsible to be on some telephone recall while on a layover, what would happen if I did not take the call and showed as originally planned?FOM 3.14.

Captain is responsible as the point of contact for the entire crew. Captain will be consulted first on re routes. In the real world I have had CS contact me, a FO, about rerouting the crew. I have respectfully declined to do so because I have no knowledge of the physiological condition of the crew (rested, nurished, etc...) and did not want to say anything which would obligate a Captain.

The Captains I've flown with have always made the right call, whether it be "sure, we will be right over" to "no, we can't do that."

Here is my understanding. LIDS was the way PMNW logged MCO's. PMDL used the white and yellow MCO stickers in the front of the logbook. Back in olden times it was determined to go with the PMDL way of logging MCO's. That has now come to fruition except for the aforementioned HAL 330's that were acquired in the aforementioned olden times!:D

Denny

What HAL 330s????????

What HAL 330s????????
The ones they use to over fly our route network and connect passengers to Jet Blue, ANA, New Zeland and others on. Our TOC does a little outsourced maintenance for them and we have a marketing alliance.

But nooo pilots, uh no.

What HAL 330s????????


My bad, I guess I was thinking of the 767's.....

Denny

So last week I'm on a trip and it has a 23 hr layover which happens to be where I live :D So while at home and making dinner I get a call from scheduling. (My first mistake was to answer the phone.) The scheduler proceeds to tell me that another crew was running 5 hrs late and that crew would not be able to make their 0625 show so he was giving them our 1040 show. He had gone through my captain and we were now going to pickup that part of the trip and then DH to our oringinal destination to finish the rest of our rotation. This turned a sch 6.10 hr day into a sch day 9.37 (actual was 10) and due to the amt of credit on the trip, we made nothing extra.

So my question is since I cannot find where it says I am responsible to be on some telephone recall while on a layover, what would happen if I did not take the call and showed as originally planned?

You're not contactable while on a layover and have no obligation to answer your cell phone or hotel phone. They can't fault you for showing up as originally planned.

So last week I'm on a trip and it has a 23 hr layover which happens to be where I live :D So while at home and making dinner I get a call from scheduling. (My first mistake was to answer the phone.) The scheduler proceeds to tell me that another crew was running 5 hrs late and that crew would not be able to make their 0625 show so he was giving them our 1040 show. He had gone through my captain and we were now going to pickup that part of the trip and then DH to our oringinal destination to finish the rest of our rotation. This turned a sch 6.10 hr day into a sch day 9.37 (actual was 10) and due to the amt of credit on the trip, we made nothing extra.

So my question is since I cannot find where it says I am responsible to be on some telephone recall while on a layover, what would happen if I did not take the call and showed as originally planned?

You are 100% not responsible to answer the phone on a layover.

Scoop

So last week I'm on a trip and it has a 23 hr layover which happens to be where I live :D So while at home and making dinner I get a call from scheduling. (My first mistake was to answer the phone.) The scheduler proceeds to tell me that another crew was running 5 hrs late and that crew would not be able to make their 0625 show so he was giving them our 1040 show. He had gone through my captain and we were now going to pickup that part of the trip and then DH to our oringinal destination to finish the rest of our rotation. This turned a sch 6.10 hr day into a sch day 9.37 (actual was 10) and due to the amt of credit on the trip, we made nothing extra.

So my question is since I cannot find where it says I am responsible to be on some telephone recall while on a layover, what would happen if I did not take the call and showed as originally planned?


No, you are not responsible to be contactable on a layover but, if you do answer, they most likely have you. As a Captain, if I answer the phone, my first question is whether my FO has been contacted yet, if not, then I wont commit until I talk to him/her...... You can draw your own conclusions from that!:) I want to help the company out as much as possible but will not agree to the reroute until we are both aware of it and in agreement......

Denny

Funny stuff. I am senior on the ATL M88B, hoping to go to the 717A someday when I can hold it as a line holder. I used to fly the 767 Dom in ATL, but all I was doing was allnighters. No thanks. MSP 73N?? Really? Thanks for all the contract help though. Just remember, short duration, fewer RJs, ratio, 20% raise 3 years, good deal. Have a great night.

Bill, can I ask a quick question?

If you are senior on the 88, when were you hired? pre 9/11 right?

Here, I guess I'll just ask this Bill. Can you explain these posts in light of your posts of being a senior ATL M88 B? And the dozens of posts trying to find out about jobs from cargo to corporate?

2007
Why would people be happy to start on the E145 when you could also start on the E170? That's like comparing a C172 to a Citation. I fly a E145 and I would be happy to swap for an E170.
Republic. E170 kicks the CRJ's butt any day... For roughly the same pay over time +/- a few bucks per hour (since I would be looking at the Majors anyways down the line), I'd rather fly a mini-Airbus vs. a stretched Challenger for the entire time. I wish my POS airline would buy the E170 as I am trapped on the E135/145.

2008
No worries. I was just venting - I am tired of the regionals. Operators like Jetsuite sound interesting but until they have been operating for awhile I wouldn't personally apply. The founders have some good experience and probably some cash, but the market is pretty fickle. Flying a Phenom 100 around the West Coast would probably be fun though.
Just curious about what newhire pay (pay range) would look like at Talon Air - say FO on the Hawker 800XP or Hawker 4000. What do these "bottom feeders" tend to pay newhires? Also, are the pilots at Talon cross-qualified on multiple aircraft (e.g., Hawker and the Beechjet or King Air) or just one type?

Talon's got a big fleet of aircraft according to the website. How many pilots total fly for Talon? Also, do these pilots tend to float around from one 135 operation to another at FRG/ISP when things don't work at Talon or do they get blackballed???? Where do they go (besides Jet Blue) when they leave?

2009
True cgt. My barbie jet is ARCHAIC. I remember feeling a bit depressed about it one day and then I jumpsat on a NWA Diesel 9. I couldn't believe all of those dials and switches. I felt better about my "cutting edge" technology in comparison after that.

I'd happily trade you for your E190 if you are interested... I like that HUD!

So last week I'm on a trip and it has a 23 hr layover which happens to be where I live :D So while at home and making dinner I get a call from scheduling. (My first mistake was to answer the phone.) The scheduler proceeds to tell me that another crew was running 5 hrs late and that crew would not be able to make their 0625 show so he was giving them our 1040 show. He had gone through my captain and we were now going to pickup that part of the trip and then DH to our oringinal destination to finish the rest of our rotation. This turned a sch 6.10 hr day into a sch day 9.37 (actual was 10) and due to the amt of credit on the trip, we made nothing extra.

So my question is since I cannot find where it says I am responsible to be on some telephone recall while on a layover, what would happen if I did not take the call and showed as originally planned?

As a reserve guy I got a 30 hour layover where I live this past week...there was no way I was answering the phone from anyone I didn't know.

FTB,

Well, that's just weird. Why would anyone ... ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDK8BYS2d9s&sns=em

Ruh roh!

Looks like someone has some 'splainin to do!

Busted!!!!!!!!!!

Looks like Lumberg got served.....hell based on his posts I'm senior to him. Guess I'll be bidding 717A.:D

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Btw....I was hired in '07...and based on best guesstimate tea leaves and tossing bones in the air I don't think I'll see left seat on anything at LEAST for 5 more years and I'm a glass half full kinda guy.

FOM 3.14.

Captain is responsible as the point of contact for the entire crew. Captain will be consulted first on re routes. "

Thanks BB for the ref and everyone else for their input. Like I said, my first mistake was to answer the phone, never to happen again!

Looks like I'm senior to Lumberg... by about 1400 numbers at least. ;)

....and FTB leans back in his best dr evil pose

Nice.

"Lumberg, this is Atlanta Center on guard, ident!"

Looks like I'm senior to Lumberg... by about 1400 numbers at least. ;)

Wait. I wasted all my time arguing about the TA with a guy who at best is a super exaggerating about his seniority pilot and at worst someone who might not even work here? He said he was gonna be a 717A by 2014? :confused:

What a piece of work.


Good job detective FTB.

So Lumberg stole a more senior pilot's internet credit? Not cool. It's OK to take a little poetic license once in a while, but not to forge it.

[QUOTE=forgot to bid;1233292]Here, I guess I'll just ask this Bill. Can you explain these posts in light of your posts of being a senior ATL M88 B? And the dozens of posts trying to find out about jobs from cargo to corporate?

ROTFLMFAO

I just love how so many of y'all were drinking his kool-aid just as fast as he could pizz it out.

Y'all been PUNKED.

BAWAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[QUOTE=forgot to bid;1233292]Here, I guess I'll just ask this Bill. Can you explain these posts in light of your posts of being a senior ATL M88 B? And the dozens of posts trying to find out about jobs from cargo to corporate?

ROTFLMFAO

I just love how so many of y'all were drinking his kool-aid just as fast as he could pizz it out.

Y'all been PUNKED.

BAWAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Yeah, not quite.....for at least 6 months now most of us have realized his posts seemed a bit less than authentic. Just didn't have the skills FTB or inclination to do what FTB can do. Instead, just internally relegated his posts to the meh file.

Here is my understanding. LIDS was the way PMNW logged MCO's. PMDL used the white and yellow MCO stickers in the front of the logbook. Back in olden times it was determined to go with the PMDL way of logging MCO's. That has now come to fruition except for the aforementioned HAL 330's that were acquired in the aforementioned olden times!:D

Denny

Log Item Deferral Summary (LIDS)
A Log Item Deferral Summary (LIDS) summarizes maintenance history and repeats information contained in other sections of the Aircraft or Flight Attendant logbook. If the LIDS or any part of it is missing, dispatch is allowed. Notify Maintenance Control and a new package will be provided at the next xxx maintenance station.
The LIDS package for the Aircraft Maintenance Log is composed of four sections: LIDS Cover page, printed LIDS section, manual LIDS Entry section and a Closed Items History Summary section. The Flight Attendant Maintenance Log contains two sections: printed LIDS section and manual LIDS Entry section. Each section has the date the LIDS package was printed.
The cover section has the date/station, mechanic’s employee number and expiration date for either the Line Check or Service Check. The printed LIDS section contains a summary of all the current open MEL/CDL items. The manual LIDS section is to document additional MEL/CDL items that occur prior to a new LIDS package being printed and installed in the logbook. The Closed Items History Summary section is a summary of MEL/CDL items that have been closed. Each section has the date the LIDS package was printed.
A new LIDS package will be printed and placed in the Aircraft and Flight Attendant Maintenance logbook sleeves at the completion of each new Aircraft Line Check\Svc Check. If the LIDS package is not available at the time of the Aircraft Line Check\Svc Check, the existing LIDS Cover page will be updated manually. Maintenance Control will ensure a new LIDS package is printed and installed at the next xxx maintenance station.

The LIDS was eliminated due to the maintenance of keeping it up to date, the new system mx is going to is the SEPTRE system. MEL and MCO operated the same way.

Looks like I'm senior to Lumberg... by about 1400 numbers at least. ;)

I'm glad you did look at old posts. I share this with my brother who flies RJs. Take a look at current posts on the INTL board, he asked a lot of questions, with this name, to a guy at Qatar named Fogrunner. So, I am probably senior to you, and my brother wants to go to the sandbox. If you look at the different posts, we even write differently. Take a look and read it. Is that not allowed?

Wait. I wasted all my time arguing about the TA with a guy who at best is a super exaggerating about his seniority pilot and at worst someone who might not even work here? He said he was gonna be a 717A by 2014? :confused:

What a piece of work.


Good job detective FTB.


Nah, I just use my brother's sign in. It's all me. FtB is a good detective, and could be a great 717 FO.

[QUOTE=forgot to bid;1233292]Here, I guess I'll just ask this Bill. Can you explain these posts in light of your posts of being a senior ATL M88 B? And the dozens of posts trying to find out about jobs from cargo to corporate?

ROTFLMFAO

I just love how so many of y'all were drinking his kool-aid just as fast as he could pizz it out.

Y'all been PUNKED.

BAWAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nah, all true, just borrowed a previous sign in with his consent. This is an anonymous board I believe. He still uses it too, look at the international stuff concerning Qatari.

Whatever man, whatever

Nah, I just use my brother's sign in. It's all me. FtB is a good detective, and will be a great 717 FO.

Bill,

Even if you are telling the truth, it's not really cool that you are bumping FTB off the -88 to the 717 in advance.

You are not being all that great at anything right now. :confused:

Bill,

Even if you are telling the truth, it's not really cool that you are bumping FTB off the -88 to the 717 in advance.

You are not being all that great at anything right now. :confused:

Thanks for the advice. If you look at his profile, he stated M88B to 717B. He did it himself. I have frequented this board for a few years now, along with my brother. That's what password accounts allow. Nothing wrong with that, and he doesn't mind. It still doesn't change my views, and it doesn't change the fact that many of you disagree with me about the contract that passed. Btw, I am doing just fine.

I'm glad you did look at old posts. I share this with my brother who flies RJs. Take a look at current posts on the INTL board, he is asking a lot of questions, with this name, to a guy at Qatar named Fogrunner. So, I am still way senior to you, and my brother wants to go to the sandbox. If you look at the different posts, we even write differently. Take a look and read it. Is that not allowed?

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I don't need your approval, but read the differences of those posts FtB aka "Thomas Magnum" dug up. If you don't, I don't care.

I don't need your approval, but read the differences of those posts FtB aka "Thomas Magnum" dug up. If you don't, I don't care.
TOTD material.........

Here, I guess I'll just ask this Bill. Can you explain these posts in light of your posts of being a senior ATL M88 B? And the dozens of posts trying to find out about jobs from cargo to corporate?

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Read all of those again. Do any of those sound like me? How about a younger brother of mine? You bet! Thanks Magnum!

Thanks for the advice. If you look at his profile, he stated M88B to 717B. He did it himself. I have frequented this board for a few years now, along with my brother. That's what password accounts allow. Nothing wrong with that, and he doesn't mind. It still doesn't change my views, and it doesn't change the fact that many of you disagree with me about the contract that passed. Btw, I am doing just fine.

I'm fairly sure FTB does not want to go to FO on the 717. That's why it says "probably displaced to the 717." So, once again, it's poor taste to refer to him in a position he doesn't want to go to.

With all we have gone through since the merger (SLI, parking airplanes, closing bases, shrinking international flying, etc.), I would think that anyone who knows anything about the Delta pilot group would know better than that.

If you don't know that, that detracts from your credibility more than any of the previous posts that came from you or your brothers account.

Either you are not a Delta pilot, or you are extremely insensitive.

TOTD material.........

Maybe, but I always gave my opinion on the contract and it still applies. My brother happens to frequent this site too, a lot more often a couple years ago, and now is looking at some International carriers like Qatari. FtB is the next Giraldo and Capone's Vault. It was a good try.

I'm fairly sure FTB does not want to go to FO on the 717. That's why it says "probably displaced to the 717." So, once again, it's poor taste to refer to him in a position he doesn't want to go to.

If you don't know that, that detracts from your credibility more than any of the previous posts that came from you or your brothers account.

Either that, or you are extremely insensitive.


He seems to play along with it just fine. It's called friendly banter, on an anonymous board. I am pretty sure the 717s are growth airplanes, and his continuous "run for the hills" panic just hasn't come to fruition at all. I hope it doesn't.

Looks like we've got our own little Timmy Martins around here! The backpedalling is quite amusing. :)

Looks like we've got our own little Timmy Martins around here! The backpedalling is quite amusing. :)

This is an anonymous board, right? Who cares? I stay on topic when I post. So does he when he talks to his friends in the Foreign section. That's what he is interested in, and I enjoy this section. We all win. No backpedalling, actually quite plausible.

BLumberg nominated for tool of the year? YES

BLumberg nominated for tool of the year? YES

You are just mad about the contract. I stay on topic every time I post in this section. If I put Space Shuttle Capt in the profile part would you be mad about that too? It might be true!

Nah, I just use my brother's sign in. It's all me. FtB is a good detective, and could be a great 717 FO.

What kind of loser shares the same name and sign in with his brother? Something stinks and its not the forward lav. Bill Lumberg do you have two or more personalities?

IaqVan6vnIs

I can't believe with all the ex-AF guys on here no one posted this. Look at Google maps and see how similar Peter O. Knight Airport and Macdill AFB look from the air. However Macdill is so much bigger. Not to mention they landed day VFR.

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For anyone who has seen this movie it alludes to the many personalities of Bill Lumberg.

Just found out as well that if you like specialty beer it'll cost you in Kew Gardens. $12 a 6 pack for Sierra Nevada Torpedo IPA.

IaqVan6vnIs

I can't believe with all the ex-AF guys on here no one posted this. Look at Google maps and see how similar Peter O. Knight Airport and Macdill AFB look from the air. However Macdill is so much bigger. Not to mention they landed day VFR.

I used to fly the King Air into there... that was a pretty short runway even for that!

The video of the takeoff is fantastic. I absolutely love that airplane.

I hope the inbound crew has their deluxe set of kneepads all shined up and ready for work....

http://flotauk.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/52.jpg

Return of the underboob.

Bill, let your brother know screen names are free on APC. If he needs a separate email account refer him to this place on the Internet called "Yahoo!" I'm sure all the chicks must be wondering why his big brother is snooping through his email.

IaqVan6vnIs

I can't believe with all the ex-AF guys on here no one posted this. Look at Google maps and see how similar Peter O. Knight Airport and Macdill AFB look from the air. However Macdill is so much bigger. Not to mention they landed day VFR.

Crew was probably too involved instructing the intricacies of the overhead pattern. Then again, better than landing gear up in the AF's most modern airlifter.

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Crew was probably too involved instructing the intricacies of the overhead pattern. Then again, better than landing gear up in the AF's most modern airlifter.

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Yeah I was in Qatar in the OPS center when this happened. As a C-5 guy it was still to early to make fun of the Barney guys.

http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2009/0625/as_surf_girls_576.jpg

God Bless surfer chicks

looks like the pic didn't post...sorry.

BLumberg nominated for tool of the year? YES

Tool of the decade.

Hey guys,

I was just doing some digging and I discovered that while JC Lawson was meeting with Comair management in 2003, his little brother JR Lawson (who was flying for Skyway and researching a job at Netjets) got into JC's ALPA account and penned the infamous "JC Lawson Letter", then sent it out to *.*@Delta.com.

True story.

They flew the C17 out of there:

Massive military plane lands at wrong airport in Tampa | wtsp.com (http://www.wtsp.com/news/article/264803/8/Massive-military-plane-lands-at-wrong-airport-in-Tampa)

FTB, FTW! Nice.

Dangit. I go off to fly for a few hours and I miss everything! As good as the outing was, Lumberg's scrambling was even better. I gotta stop working weekends.

Lumberg, you're a piece of work, dude.

What kind of loser shares the same name and sign in with his brother? Something stinks and its not the forward lav. Bill Lumberg do you have two or more personalities?

I think he and Bacon are the same guy.......

And exactly why would you borrow an account on a forum that's free? And the intrawebz is literally awash in free email servers.

Um, yea.....

FtB wins yet another 100 internets.

Nu

Hey guys,

I was just doing some digging and I discovered that while JC Lawson was meeting with Comair management in 2003, his little brother JR Lawson (who was flying for Skyway and researching a job at Netjets) got into JC's ALPA account and penned the infamous "JC Lawson Letter", then sent it out to *.*@Delta.com.

True story.

We believe you too Boomer...:D:eek:

And exactly why would you borrow an account on a forum that's free? And the intrawebz is literally awash in free email servers.

Um, yea.....

FtB wins yet another 100 internets.

Nu


Why not? I was given the password. Why open a new account? This is an anonymous board. This is really about being upset about the contract and my stance. That's fine, in reality we all win with the new contract. Bless your hearts!

Why not? I was given the password. Why open a new account? This is an anonymous board...Bless your hearts!

Bless your heart, right back ;-)

FtB nice work!

Even an anonymous web board with free accounts doesn't need tools like you Bill....

Cheers
George

blumberg nominated for tool of the year? Yes

+717 :)

ten

Bless your heart, right back ;-)

FtB nice work!

Even an anonymous web board with free accounts doesn't need tools like you Bill....

Cheers
George

Thanks George. Let's all just enjoy the new contract and move forward. Good times.

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Found an old pic of detective FTB :)

Thanks George. Let's all just enjoy the new contract and move forward. Good times.

I'm not sure you get that this has absolutely zero to do with the contract...

Bill, with 2000+ posts under a fake login, you exemplify what this thread is NOT about!

I proud to be able to say I have met a few faces that go with the names and avatars...even some I've had disagreements with. Warts and all I can't think of a finer group of people to be associated with!

All I can say is I sure hope you aren't a Delta pilot after all...

Cheers
George

I'm not sure you get that this has absolutely zero to do with the contract...

Bill, with 2000+ posts under a fake login, you exemplify what this thread is NOT about!

I proud to be able to say I have met a few faces that go with the names and avatars...even some I've had disagreements with. Warts and all I can't think of a finer group of people to be associated with!

All I can say is I sure hope you aren't a Delta pilot after all...

Cheers
George

And the Academy Award goes to........ George!!! I used my brother's login with his consent over two years. I gave my opinions which are all valid. Just because you and others didn't agree with my opinions on the TA and now contract, you join the bandwagon of the mob to trounce me, even though I have remained the same on an ANONYMOUS web board. Cheers indeed!

PS----it's an anonymous web board used for rumors.

Maybe my post about bill should not have been deleted. He really is a double trouble douchebag. Bill, your credibility here is gone. Sign out and start a new profile. Bill is toast. Dump the koolaid and rejoin us.

George is a real person. I've met him. Heck, I worked for years with him. You sir are a are a fake screen name. Start over with a new name. Bill has lost every ounce of credibility.

Bill is taking a break until said otherwise by the honchos...

In the meantime, boobies. :)

IaqVan6vnIs

I can't believe with all the ex-AF guys on here no one posted this. Look at Google maps and see how similar Peter O. Knight Airport and Macdill AFB look from the air. However Macdill is so much bigger. Not to mention they landed day VFR.




I've said it before and I'll say it again;

REAL MEN land where ever they WANT TO! :D

(Take that, you stupid runway! :eek:)

I would love to have heard the conversation when they touched down...

"Geez, for a MAC runway...this sure looks short!"

I've said it before and I'll say it again;

REAL MEN land where ever they WANT TO! :D

(Take that, you stupid runway! :eek:)

I would love to have heard the conversation when they touched down...

"Geez, for a MAC runway...this sure looks short!"

My favorite is the Pinnacle CVR after the overrun in TVC- one of the best pilots i know, but got totally hosed by the idiots in charge in trying to cover their stupidity (it finally came out in the colgan accident and now in the new duty rules):


#= explitive.

CVR=

#. #. #. #. #. #. #. #. #.

And the Academy Award goes to........ George!!! I used my brother's login with his consent over two years. I gave my opinions which are all valid. Just because you and others didn't agree with my opinions on the TA and now contract, you join the bandwagon of the mob to trounce me, even though I have remained the same on an ANONYMOUS web board. Cheers indeed!

PS----it's an anonymous web board used for rumors.

Bill, or whatever your name is, here's the deal. This is a forum for Delta pilots to discuss, debate and inform other Delta pilots about issues, policy, procedures, rumors, etc. And other well-meaning people to engage in discussion. That's why it's called a web board.

You have routinely raised the point that APC is an anonymous web board. That is true. However, what an anonymous web board also allows is someone anonymously representing themselves fraudulently. I truly hope you are some kid in his mom's basement. If not, and you really are a Delta pilot, you somehow slipped through the cracks. That is unfortunate.

Bill, or whatever your name is, here's the deal. This is a forum for Delta pilots to discuss, debate and inform other Delta pilots about issues, policy, procedures, rumors, etc. And other well-meaning people to engage in discussion. That's why it's called a web board.

You have routinely raised the point that APC is an anonymous web board. That is true. However, what an anonymous web board also allows is someone anonymously representing themselves fraudulently. I truly hope you are some kid in his mom's basement. If not, and you really are a Delta pilot, you somehow slipped through the cracks. That is unfortunate.


I just banned Bill, and that is a good deal.

+717.

This all makes sense to me. There were 2 Lumbergs in the movie Office Space. Coincidence?

I've said it before and I'll say it again;

REAL MEN land where ever they WANT TO! :D

(Take that, you stupid runway! :eek:)

I would love to have heard the conversation when they touched down...

"Geez, for a MAC runway...this sure looks short!"

When I was flying C-141s at CHS in the late 1980's we had a crew (from our sister squadron I must admit) that shot an approach to the same civil airfield by accident, realized it on very short final, and went around to recover to McDill without incident. Only problem: they were in the McDill O Club bar having drinks when the news on the bars TV showed them approaching the civil field, almost landing, and going around to the REAL McDill.

AC called CHS HQ and they fessed up. A new crew flew down and recovered the jet and busted crew.

Well darn 80, guess you were correct. I try to believe most have te best intentions. Shame on you Bill.

Maybe my post about bill should not have been deleted. He really is a double trouble douchebag. Bill, your credibility here is gone. Sign out and start a new profile. Bill is toast. Dump the koolaid and rejoin us.

Plus one hoser, your's shouldn't have been deleted and mine shouldn't have. Calling a spade a spade shouldn't get posts deleted.

Originally Posted by Bill Lumberg http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/delta-ta-discussion/68337-omalleys-rebuttal-letter-c20.html#post1217880)
I would really like to read it here, on this board.


"Bill has asked twice for TT letter to be posted on APC. The first time, he was told to read it at DALPA. Now he's asked for it a second time.

Bill are you a DAL pilot?"


I feel vindicated. I had a feeling about it. I asked this question on 6/24/2012 in post #39 in the O'Malley's rebuttal letter to C20 thread. He kept asking to have the letter posted. I wondered why he didn't go and read it at DALPA.

Here is his response in post #41 in the same thread.

"Of course I am, but I stay away from the Dalpa board mostly. Talk about a viper pit! A bunch of grouchy meanies on there. I prefer the nice, laid back, family style board called APC. Ahhhhh, like a breath of fresh air...."

Honestly, I thought he was a management pogue. Apologies to all the management pogues out in APC land.

Well darn 80, guess you were correct. I try to believe most have te best intentions. Shame on you Bill.

I just "ignored" BL, but it showed him banned. Is that correct.

I just "ignored" BL, but it showed him banned. Is that correct.

Yep, he's banned, he's a liar, and I wouldn't want to fly with him regardless of who he flies for with deception like that.

Hate to thread drift from the latest and greatest about bill lumberg, but I was wondering about Delta's next hiring window. Did the new contract put a hold on the Fall '12 plan? Who is usually the first to know/post these things before it's "official"?

Hate to thread drift from the latest and greatest about bill lumberg, but I was wondering about Delta's next hiring window. Did the new contract put a hold on the Fall '12 plan? Who is usually the first to know/post these things before it's "official"?

This has been posted before, but it's from our Senior VP of Flt Ops on June 8th:

"Finally, I know the big question out there on the line as you hear about mainline growth is how that will impact our pilot staffing and whether it will jumpstart pilot hiring. It’s been no secret that we are looking at a wave of pilot retirements over the next few years as pilots begin to approach age 65. Because of that, our pilot hiring group has remained active since we stopped our last round of hiring in 2010, and we are prepared to start the hiring process on short notice. While our hiring is ultimately based on the Network block hour plan, which in turn is affected by the economy, all indications are that the addition of 717s and the opportunity for pilots to take advantage of the Pilot Retirement Medical Account (RMA) early retirement option will accelerate movement across the seniority list and require us to begin hiring earlier than the planned pilot retirements alone would have. If Delta can continue to execute its business plan, including the 717s, and barring an economic downturn or other unanticipated event, we could begin the hiring process as early as the last quarter of this year."

DAL is waiting on the outcome of Early Retirements first, done by July 30th, before making decisions on hiring.

I knew there was something off with that guy. It was complicated by the fact there is a BL over at FI that seems to be a decent dude.

Nu