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Does anyone have any info on current and future status with XOJET, probably with in the next half year outlook?

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/fractional/34460-xo-jet-furloughs.html

Perhaps some background reading is in order?

Does anyone have any info on current and future status with XOJET, probably with in the next half year outlook?

The most recent delivery schedule I've seen (this week) shows 10 more CL30's and two more X's coming this year bringing our fleet total to 40 by the end of '09. We have 7 out of 25 CE750s parked. We have 3 CL30's flying, so that's 1/4 of our fleet on a maintenance reserve status. The question is whether or not we will have to park more aircraft as they show up, or if we can start hiring again to crew the new deliveries. My personal belief is that much will depend on the economy and summer demand, but I think mgt expects to start hiring again in the next couple months. Keep your fingers crossed, but don't bank on anything.

The most recent delivery schedule I've seen (this week) shows 10 more CL30's and two more X's coming this year bringing our fleet total to 40 by the end of '09. We have 7 out of 25 CE750s parked. We have 3 CL30's flying, so that's 1/4 of our fleet on a maintenance reserve status. .

Xojet seems to me like a stable company, i see potential there. They're like the rest of us, wait and see how things play out.

Hey XOpilot, whats your company's livery, is it all white??

Photos: Bombardier BD-100-1A10 Challenger 300 Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net (http://www.airliners.net/photo/Untitled/Bombardier-BD-100-1A10-Challenger/1486382/L/&tbl=photo_info&photo_nr=1&sok=keyword_%28%5C%27%2B%5C%22xojet%5C%22%5C%27_IN _BOOLEAN_MODE%29%29_&sort=_order_by_photo_id_DESC_&prev_id=&next_id=1418098)

Photos: Bombardier BD-100-1A10 Challenger 300 Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net (http://www.airliners.net/photo/Untitled/Bombardier-BD-100-1A10-Challenger/1486382/L/&tbl=photo_info&photo_nr=1&sok=keyword_%28%5C%27%2B%5C%22xojet%5C%22%5C%27_IN _BOOLEAN_MODE%29%29_&sort=_order_by_photo_id_DESC_&prev_id=&next_id=1418098)

This link from their homepage makes it look like it may be all white - but the Citation Xs look to have a more colorful scheme.

http://www.xojet.com/fleet/challenger-300 (1st picture in the series)

Citation X XOJET - Citation X (http://www.xojet.com/fleet/citation-x)

USMCFLYR

This link from their homepage makes it look like it may be all white - but the Citation Xs look to have a more colorful scheme.

http://www.xojet.com/fleet/challenger-300 (1st picture in the series)

Citation X XOJET - Citation X (http://www.xojet.com/fleet/citation-x)

USMCFLYR

Thanx bud, I bet those CL300s would look very nice with that X livery. All white looks good as well, but then again this bird looks good painted any color, from all angles. Bombardier hit a home run with this airplane

Check out this one, private operator, all white.
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Thanx bud, I bet those CL300s would look very nice with that X livery. All white looks good as well, but then again this bird looks good painted any color, from all angles. Bombardier hit a home run with this airplane

Check out this one, private operator, all white.
Photos: Bombardier BD-100-1A10 Challenger 300 Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net (http://www.airliners.net/photo/Untitled/Bombardier-BD-100-1A10-Challenger/1489933/L/&tbl=photo_info&photo_nr=1&sok=WHERE__%28aircraft_generic_%3D_%27Bombardier_B D-100_Challenger_300%27%29_&sort=_order_by_photo_id_DESC_&prev_id=&next_id=1489906)

I know you are a big fan of the CL-300. I am too. I would love to get at the controls of that airplane. Personally - I like a more lively paint scheme; but that last picture looks really good with only the thin red stripe down the fuselage.

USMCFLYR

Oh come on guys - let's be real. The XOJET 300 is a) boring and b) stupid.

a) Because it's all white - no color at all.

b) Because they add a FAKE WINDOW at the back of the plane. The 300 comes out of the factory with six windows on each side. XOJET adds a decal of some sort that looks like a window. Stupid.

Bombardier has indicated that XOJET has deferred orders.

Oh come on guys - let's be real. The XOJET 300 is a) boring and b) stupid.

a) Because it's all white - no color at all.

b) Because they add a FAKE WINDOW at the back of the plane. The 300 comes out of the factory with six windows on each side. XOJET adds a decal of some sort that looks like a window. Stupid.

Bombardier has indicated that XOJET has deferred orders.

I see you're not a fan. You are certainly entitled to your opinion. I also didn't care for the paint or "window sticker" at first, but it's grown on me. Many customers have have complimented both. You know what they say about opinions... Try to keep a little perspective.

Yes, we have deferred several orders, that's why we're only taking 10 more 300s and two 750s this year as I stated in my first post. It seems like the prudent thing to do in this economy wouldn't you agree? So, what's your point? Try not to be such an overt hater, It makes you come across immature and petty.

The question is whether or not we will have to park more aircraft as they show up, or if we can start hiring again to crew the new deliveries. My personal belief is that much will depend on the economy and summer demand, but I think mgt expects to start hiring again in the next couple months. Keep your fingers crossed, but don't bank on anything.

Do you think the 23 guys fired at Christmas will be re applying?

Do you think the 23 guys fired at Christmas will be re applying?

I'm sure some will, and others probably wont... I'm looking forward to seeing those who want to come back as soon as possible; for those who choose to do something else, I understand that too.

I'm sure some will, and others probably wont... I'm looking forward to seeing those who want to come back as soon as possible; for those who choose to do something else, I understand that too.

I wasn't aware they chose to leave XO in the first place.

My point is this: When a company has a down turn and needs to reduce staff, they usually furlough with recall implied or expressly granted. Correct me if I'm wrong, but these pilots were outright fired.

As I said in a closed thread on this topic, a good company would offer LOAs, voluntary furloughs, job share, recall rights. This didn't happen, just a lump of coal in the stocking for the unlucky.

I know a few there that love the job and say great things about the operation. Unfortunately, the management nuked their image as a caring company by doing this.

I worked with Jonathan at USAir before I was furloughed. I don't really see where he can steal from employees or unions at XOJet. The company isn't big enough. Personally, I have not seen a bright idea from the man. I see him as the hit man!!! All he has done in his past is be the great outsourcer! It's all a thing of the past and no outsourcing left in this industry. Check out his ties with Texas Air!

I worked with Jonathan at USAir before I was furloughed. I don't really see where he can steal from employees or unions at XOJet. The company isn't big enough. Personally, I have not seen a bright idea from the man. I see him as the hit man!!! All he has done in his past is be the great outsourcer! It's all a thing of the past and no outsourcing left in this industry. Check out his ties with Texas Air!

I don't know who Jonathan is. Are you sure you don't mean David Siegel?

Here's Jonathan!:D

Jonathan Livingston Seagull - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Livingston_Seagull)

Thanx bud, I bet those CL300s would look very nice with that X livery. All white looks good as well, but then again this bird looks good painted any color, from all angles. Bombardier hit a home run with this airplane

Check out this one, private operator, all white.
Photos: Bombardier BD-100-1A10 Challenger 300 Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net (http://www.airliners.net/photo/Untitled/Bombardier-BD-100-1A10-Challenger/1489933/L/&tbl=photo_info&photo_nr=1&sok=WHERE__%28aircraft_generic_%3D_%27Bombardier_B D-100_Challenger_300%27%29_&sort=_order_by_photo_id_DESC_&prev_id=&next_id=1489906)

A lot of people, even at XO, don't know the whole story about the all white paint...

The first 300 was actually painted in the X paint scheme, actually the 5000th Cessna (X) paint job. Its just a little different than our regular X's, it has 2 silver stripes on top of the fuselage. I saw a pic of our 300 with this paint job and it looked awful!!! So bad that Touw said to repaint it all white when he saw it... Last I heard they were still working on a new paint scheme.

There is a reason behind the madness, but I kinda like the solid white paint job too! It looks good in person, kinda pearl white looking.

I worked with Jonathan at USAir before I was furloughed. I don't really see where he can steal from employees or unions at XOJet. The company isn't big enough. Personally, I have not seen a bright idea from the man. I see him as the hit man!!! All he has done in his past is be the great outsourcer! It's all a thing of the past and no outsourcing left in this industry. Check out his ties with Texas Air!

I don't get the seagull story but I'm sure your talking about Siegel...

He actually has a lot of his own money wrapped up in XOJET so he wants to see us do well (financially) for his sake and for TPG's sake. Not just a golden parachute after he "outsources" jobs here... and he cant steal money from unions, there aren't any. Don't know if I have seen a "bright idea" from him either. Time will tell I guess. I'm hoping for the best because I really like my job here!

I forgot the good news... XOJET is expecting a record month of March in flight hours booked, and hopefully flown :), from owners and brokers. Thats finally some good news that makes me think we might need more pilots sooner than later!. Hopefully this will continue into the summer but the stock market is not looking good...

I forgot the good news... XOJET is expecting a record month of March in flight hours booked, and hopefully flown :), from owners and brokers. Thats finally some good news that makes me think we might need more pilots sooner than later!. Hopefully this will continue into the summer but the stock market is not looking good...


How does that work? a record month when you have planes parked?????

Dont you mean since business is doing well it would be great to recall the lay off-ed pilots?

White planes are easier to sell because it allows new owners to personalize them at a lower cost.

Oh god, here we go again...

White planes easier to sell... Good one!

Are you mad that were actually doing ok and you didn't get the job still? Get over it man. You can always reapply you know. What was your name, I'll walk your resume in for ya ,,l,

You dont have a very good memory, Even though I did not recieve a job offer at XOJET, I did get the job I wanted at a Fortune 500 company, XOJET fell far short of what I was looking for.

BTW,could you tell your company that I am still waiting to get reimbursed for my interview incidentals!

That is your defense regarding record month and no note of trying to get your layoffed pilots back flying? HMMMM!

Are you mad that were actually doing ok and you didn't get the job still? Get over it man. You can always reapply you know. What was your name, I'll walk your resume in for ya ,,l,


Another kool-aid drinker.....

Another kool-aid drinker.....

Or a Commander TH protege!!:D

Come on TW, no need to use anyones real name. Unless you would like me to use yours too? Hopefully, you or the moderators will remove that post.

Come on TW, no need to use anyones real name. Unless you would like me to use yours too? Hopefully, you or the moderators will remove that post.

Happy....

I certainly don't miss that place......

You dont have a very good memory, Even though I did not recieve a job offer at XOJET, I did get the job I wanted at a Fortune 500 company, XOJET fell far short of what I was looking for.

BTW,could you tell your company that I am still waiting to get reimbursed for my interview incidentals!

That is your defense regarding record month and no note of trying to get your layoffed pilots back flying? HMMMM!

The record number is for pre-booked hours heading into a month, not hours flown in a month. It's a good start, but we still have a bunch booking to do to set a monthly record. Hopefully, this is a good sign for the whole industry.

If you're serious about the interview incidentals thing, send me a pm and I'll help you. I've only ever heard of one guy who was ever denied anything. The way I heard the story, he drove his rental car from Sacramento to Portland, and changed his flight to leave three days later out of PDX. Was that you? If so, you're a legend, but not in a good way.

As for the pilots that were let go a couple months back, we want to see them return as soon as possible. We took delivery of several airplanes at the end of the year when things had already slowed, and pre-staffed for future aircraft arrivals. Even though flying is up slightly year over year, we have several more aircraft then we did last year. That's why we can have a "record" month without additional hiring. Hopefully, the trend will continue, and we'll get them back soon.

Happy....

I certainly don't miss that place......

Understandable, considering the issues you had in your last several months here. I'm glad you're happy at Cathay.

Understandable, considering the issues you had in your last several months here. I'm glad you're happy at Cathay.

You still crack me up.... Issues????? What issues... The lies told by a CP maybe... Whatever, I miss alot of the people but NOT the DC and BH club bs. After the way they let the guys go back in December, I am glad I moved on....

You still crack me up.... Issues????? What issues... The lies told by a CP maybe... Whatever, I miss alot of the people but NOT the DC and BH club bs. After the way they let the guys go back in December, I am glad not to be apart of that operations.

We are glad that you are "apart" of the operation as well!

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If you're serious about the interview incidentals thing, send me a pm and I'll help you. I've only ever heard of one guy who was ever denied anything. The way I heard the story, he drove his rental car from Sacramento to Portland, and changed his flight to leave three days later out of PDX. Was that you? If so, you're a legend, but not in a good way.

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Was that you Jetjockee? Thats hilarious that your still waiting for reimbursement. If that wasn't you I would help you out as well. I have never heard of anyone not getting paid back.

Hey XO and Falcon,

You guys seem to be a good voice of XOJET here on this forum and you are the best source of information regarding the company. Unfortunately, XOJET recently became just another company (compared to Best of the Bay Area to work for..) when it committed the atrocity of the 23 terminations around Christmas time. Obviously, through no fault of you guys..

Also, you guys seem to be bearing the brunt of many of your fellow pilots' ire when you make postings here regarding XOJET. That is because many here know those pilots (aviation is a small world) or have been in a similar situation themselves before. So when you paint a rosy picture about the company, even when true, it is tainted by the Company's outrageous behavior with regard to the 23 terminations. You and all pilots know that there is no way that 23% (or whatever the percentage) was deemed substandard all the same day. To gloss over this or to minimize these atrocities only serves to anger your fellow pilots. I am not advocating that you criticize your company here on this forum..: After all, you are at-will employees working for a company that just destroyed 23 of your fellow pilot's careers. Rather, I ask that you try to understand the ire that your fellow pilots have regarding these career-damaging terminations vs. furloughs (Good luck finding a flying job in this or any market in the age of online applications with selective canidate filtering; Felony, Misdemeanor, DWI, Accident, Incident, Violation, No 4 Year Degree, No 2 year Degree, etc. They might never get a chance to explain to a real HR person as to why they were fired and that XOJET had no industry standard furlough policy because they already filtered them).

Finally, to use the terms "laid off", "let go", etc. diminishes the truly ugly way that XOJET treated these pilots. Bad companies and dictatorships commit atrocities: Good companies terminate for "cause" here and there and offer Military Leaves, Voluntary Leaves, Early Retirement, Reduced Hours, and Furlough with Recall Rights when the need arises. It is generally assumed that this is a company's honorable way of doing business, just as giving a company a two week notice is an employee's honorable way of doing business. Referring to these terminations as "furloughs", "lay offs", "downsizing", or "letting people go", can be likened to referring to the Holocaust as the Final Solution... It sounds better, doesn't it? But it was still an atrocity.

So don't take it personally when fellow pilots here are hard on you you because you work at XOJET.. I don't think that it is personal, just vented anger at another company treating it's employees like 5h1tt. After all, you guys survived there to fly another day. Good luck to you guys, your 23 terminated pilots, and all of us in the aviation industry during desperate times. Good luck to XOJET, too, but not to those that "pulled the trigger" of that atrocity. Karma for them, because they forever tarnished the reputation of XOJET as a great place to work. Hopefully, the wheel of justice will prevail with them. Good luck, guys..

In Unity,

B727DRVR:cool:

Referring to these terminations as "furloughs", "lay offs", "downsizing", or "letting people go", can be likened to referring to the Holocaust as the Final Solution... It sounds better, doesn't it? But it was still an atrocity.


The only ATROCITY (slightly overused, think thesaurus) here is the fact that you just compared twenty-three pilots that lost/were fired/were furloughed from their jobs, whatever you want to call it and as unfortunate as it may be, to the Holocaust where millions of innocent people lost their LIVES. You, sir, have a seriously skewed vision of the world and are in need of professional help to put things into proper perspective.

G400driver,

Maybe you need to look up the word... In any case, here it is:

A-TROC-I-TY:
noun, plural -ties. 1.the quality or state of being atrocious.2.an atrocious act, thing, or circumstance.

I see no contradiction or misuse of this word in this circumstance. However, you seem more upset with my analogies than XOJET's atocious behavior! If, however, I offended your sensibilities with this comparison, I humbly apologize.

By the way, they were not "let go" and that was the point of my post! They were terminated with no warning! It doesn't sound if this has ever happened to you or anyone you know. I hope that your luck holds out.... And you are in the minority on these forums: Most of your fellow pilots here were apalled by XOJET's behaviour.. Not you though! I'm shocked that you condone their behavior though...:confused:.

In Unity,

B727DRVR:cool:

I think he was referring to the word "HOL-O-CAUST" so you know... (And I don't think he meant he approved what XO did)

I don't think XO or myself were sticking up for the way the terminations were done. I think he was just saying that the people who found other jobs when recalls start, and don't want to come back, "choose not to"...

Were not proud of the way things happened, but it won't change anything. I actually hope that if "layoffs" happen again that it would be in seniority order, and I'm at the bottom of the list. I don't think they will happen, but that's how I feel, just for the record. Hopefully there will be some kind of recall policy as well (if it happens).

I wish the last group had recall rights that were public knowledge, but I hear rumors all the time that they are going to call people back.

It sucks to everyone that was involved. Period. Don't need to keep bringing it up...

G400driver,

Maybe you need to look up the word... In any case, here it is:

A-TROC-I-TY:
noun, plural -ties. 1.the quality or state of being atrocious.2.an atrocious act, thing, or circumstance.

I see no contradiction or misuse of this word in this circumstance. However, you seem more upset with my analogies than XOJET's atocious behavior! If, however, I offended your sensibilities with this comparison, I humbly apologize.

By the way, they were not "let go" and that was the point of my post! They were terminated with no warning! It doesn't sound if this has ever happened to you or anyone you know. I hope that your luck holds out.... And you are in the minority on these forums: Most of your fellow pilots here were apalled by XOJET's behaviour.. Not you though! I'm shocked that you condone their behavior though...:confused:.

In Unity,

B727DRVR:cool:

Sorry, but I'm not going to fall for it. :cool:

Though you should read again what I said about your comparison of this situation to the Holocaust as that has been the only thing in this thread with which I've had ANY contention. Shameful.

Hey XO and Falcon,

So don't take it personally when fellow pilots here are hard on you you because you work at XOJET.. I don't think that it is personal, just vented anger at another company treating it's employees like 5h1tt. After all, you guys survived there to fly another day. Good luck to you guys, your 23 terminated pilots, and all of us in the aviation industry during desperate times. Good luck to XOJET, too, but not to those that "pulled the trigger" of that atrocity. Karma for them, because they forever tarnished the reputation of XOJET as a great place to work. Hopefully, the wheel of justice will prevail with them. Good luck, guys..

In Unity,

B727DRVR:cool:

I don't take it personally. However what I do take personally is your thinly veiled exploitation of our 23 fired pilots. These were coworkers and friends of mine, so I certainly don't need a lecture from you on how they have been affected. I believe you are simply promoting your personal agenda.

I'd like to offer you a little advise. Things are rarely so black and white. Instead, most things are varying shades of gray. You have decided XOJET is now a bad company based on half the information regarding one single incident. I'm not minimizing the impact these firings had on some very good and talented people. What I am saying is that you don't have the whole story, and one misdeed does not define an entire company. I can say with complete confidence that you tend to exaggerate just a bit.

I can also say that those responsible for deciding who and how to reduce our staffing level did not take the task lightly. They did not want to see anyone go, and no one felt worse about it than they did. Not even you. Now I don't agree with the method they chose either, but that doesn't mean the company sucks. Our leaders don't always make the right decisions, but they do try, and they usually end up doing the right thing in the end. This event and policy has for now diminished our company, but it is certainly not representative of how we are usually treated.

In any case, I am thankful to have such a good job especially in these difficult times. If you don't choose to take my word for it, it really doesn't matter to me. I like it here, my coworkers like it here, and we have thousands of applications on file from qualified pilots who would love to be here.

Gee guys, maybe you could all get over yourselves. The guy was pointing out how pilots were terminated without notice. Sure, he could have said it a different way, but let's not lose sight of what his point was. I think it is true that you can tell a lot about an organization by how they fire people. Citationshares handled it in a VASTLY different way. Don't kill the messenger for what he says because we are all entitled to our opinions. Sometimes the truth hurts.

Wow Guys....:(

And thanks for your understanding what I was trying to say, Bill.

I never intended to turn this into a flamebait post battle, nor was I trying to impugn you guys personally. I simply saw you guys being challenged by several of your fellow pilots on these boards, and it didn't seem you really understood the outrage here. I also don't think you realize that I want XOJET (and any American company for that matter) to succeed and have nothing personal against the company (Never applied, interviewed, rejected, etc.). I have several friends at XOJET who love their jobs, are well paid, love their equiptment, etc. XOJET employs many Americans, not just pilots, during today's tough economy. So I truly wish XOJET no ill will as a company: In fact, I hope that they grow, prosper, and hire many more of the aviation professionals currently on the street.. or about to be.

So I really don't "have a dog in this fight", not even being in the same part of the airline business, other than the fact that when I see fellow pilots, Americans, human beings, etc. getting screwed over I get Pi553d off. As to XO's assertion that I am somehow "exploiting?!" XO's terminated pilots, well.. I most respectfully disagree: I am one of the pilots that has stood up most vocally for these 23 since day 1. In fact, I feel that I have spoken up for them more than even their fellow XOJET pilots. Input sound of crickets chirping until lately... Please feel free to correct me if I am wrong..

As far as my agenda goes, well... You've got me there. It is easy to see my agenda on these forums by reading my posts: I am usually an advocate for the furloughed, the terminated, the powerless, and the downtrodden fellow pilots on these boards. Yes, I have spoken out against the XOJET and Flight Options terminations, as well as praised FlexJet and Citation Shares for the classy way that they have handled their downturn. I have spoken up for Virgin America pilots, Skybus pilots, Gemini pilots, and ABX/Astar pilots to name a few. When I thought a few of the "winning" pilots were gloating over the "losing" pilots, it pi553d me off and I called them on it. Do I get emotional and verbose when I see a wrong? Maybe..

And as far as exageration, I will admit to that if you all admit to your use of EUPHEMISM in your description of terminations there... A euphemism is a substitution of an agreeable or less offensive expression in place of one that may offend or suggest something unpleasant to the listener, or in the case of doublespeak (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euphemism#Doublespeak), to make it less troublesome for the speaker. XO, you used a euphemism when you referred to your 23 fellow pilots as being "let go" and I think that you unknowingly served to dilute the severity of your company's actions. Being "let go" brings to mind a handshake, a hug, a tear, a severance check, a letter of recomendation, recall rights, etc. Far from the terrible reality of what your friends and fellow crewmembers experienced! Could I have said it in another way, or used a less painful analogy than the Holocaust? Sure, I admit to that, apologized to that, and will do that again freely. I probably should have used a less painful analogy than the Holocaust, like calling the current economic disaster a "natural correction" vs. "the worst economic downturn since the Great Depression", but I didn't. I did want to call you guys on your use of euphemisms, though. I did and I stand by it.

I can learn from all you guys, XO, Falcon, G400, Bill L, Fred F, etc. and I will take your gladly advise into consideration, XO. But also consider my advice on the use of euphemisms to dilute what I think was a very malevolent act by your company. To call it something less than what it was, I feel, only serves to let it happen again. That was my point.


As I said in my previous post, I wish you, XOJET, and your 23 terminated fellow friends and pilots well. And I am glad that you are proud and protective of your company. It is good to have a good career during these tough times. And I hope that XOJET follows the lead of Flight Options and recalls these pilots with back pay.. Flight Options made a mistake, but fixed it and XOJET can too. I don't think that these hopes are part of any veiled agenda... But if you believe that it is, then there is nothing that I can say that will change your mind. I feel that I have said my peace here and have again spoken up for pilots that found themselves in a similar situation like I did in a former life. I don't want this to conjure flame, use names, or require a Moderators scrutiny.

Best of luck and good fortune to you guys, XOJET, and their 23.

In Unity,

B727DRVR:cool:

Gee guys, maybe you could all get over yourselves. The guy was pointing out how pilots were terminated without notice. Sure, he could have said it a different way, but let's not lose sight of what his point was. I think it is true that you can tell a lot about an organization by how they fire people. Citationshares handled it in a VASTLY different way. Don't kill the messenger for what he says because we are all entitled to our opinions. Sometimes the truth hurts.

Agreed. The point I was making was these termination's were handled in a manner completely out of character. I know the reasons why they handled things the way they did. All I will say is that I believe they tried to do what they thought was best for the entire group. In my opinion, and apparently yours, they miscalculated.

B727DVR,

I have no fight with you. I just ask that you try not to generalize so much and try to take more of a macro view. No one is defending the the way our folks were terminated. (jeez, I almost said let go) I don't believe it's fair to label an entire company based on one single event no matter how distasteful you find it. However, you are certainly entitled to your opinion.

B727DVR,

I have no fight with you. I just ask that you try not to generalize so much and try to take more of a macro view. No one is defending the the way our folks were terminated. (jeez, I almost said let go) I don't believe it's fair to label an entire company based on one single event no matter how distasteful you find it. However, you are certainly entitled to your opinion.

It is totally fair to label a company based on one single event. Happens all the time in the business.

Build 1000 Bridges and you're known as a bridge builder. But you screw over just 1 pilot....

It is totally fair to label a company based on one single event. Happens all the time in the business.

Build 1000 Bridges and you're known as a bridge builder. But you screw over just 1 pilot....

Bingo!

I know a few guys there and agree it is a quality operation that generally takes care of it's own. However, the way the 23 were FIRED at Christmas, with no notice should send a strong signal to new applicants and old hats alike.

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If you're serious about the interview incidentals thing, send me a pm and I'll help you. I've only ever heard of one guy who was ever denied anything. The way I heard the story, he drove his rental car from Sacramento to Portland, and changed his flight to leave three days later out of PDX. Was that you? If so, you're a legend, but not in a good way.

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Was that you Jetjockee? Thats hilarious that your still waiting for reimbursement. If that wasn't you I would help you out as well. I have never heard of anyone not getting paid back.


No that wasn't me. I'm over it though, no worries on the reimbursement.

Honestly, I really didn't want to stir the Pot, however it reads much different then my intent,, I was just disappointed in the handling of the pilot cuts after all the great things I had heard about XOJET. I should of thought before I wrote!
I have 25 years in aviation and I find being pro - pilot the best position. This is just my opinion and nothing else. I really enjoyed everyone I met during my interview and belive its a great group.

I hope the pilots who lost their jobs get an opportunity to return. I believe this would help shine a tarnished management style.

Good Luck!

We do too.

Just PM me your number and I'll pass it on the someone who will help you about the reimbursement. I don't need your name and you really should be paid back.

No that wasn't me. I'm over it though, no worries on the reimbursement.

Honestly, I really didn't want to stir the Pot, however it reads much different then my intent,, I was just disappointed in the handling of the pilot cuts after all the great things I had heard about XOJET. I should of thought before I wrote!
I have 25 years in aviation and I find being pro - pilot the best position. This is just my opinion and nothing else. I really enjoyed everyone I met during my interview and belive its a great group.

I hope the pilots who lost their jobs get an opportunity to return. I believe this would help shine a tarnished management style.

Good Luck!

It's all good Jetjockee.

We were disappointed too. Hopefully, they'll be back soon.

I would hope we are ALL pro-pilot. There is certainly no need to squabble amongst ourselves.

Hey XO and Falcon,

This isn't so much advice, as it is an idea that could help your friends and fellow pilots that were terminated last year: Sign a petition.. Positive, respectful, non-confrontational...

This helped at a place that I worked previously by showing management that their remaining pilots did not condone this behavior. It was worded something like this (modified for XOJET)...:

Mr. David Siegel, CEO XOJET
Mr. Director of Operations
Mr. Chief Pilot

Gentlemen,

We, as loyal employees of XOJET, pride ourselves on being part of such a great company and such a special team. As loyal employees, we as pilots have collectively done our best to make XOJET the safest, most efficient, most innovative, and profitable airline in the business. We, as pilots, are protective of XOJET and try to identify problems early on before they become larger problems during these challenging times. This is why we would like to express our collective concern regarding the method in which the terminations of Dec. ## took place.

While we understand the need for workforce reductions during these challenging economic times, we also believe that the good name of XOJET could be further enhanced by either the immediate recall of out 23 terminated pilots or by your changing their status to "furloughed with recall rights". We all know the chances of a terminated pilot finding work in any market, much less today's market. This would also enhance XOJET's good name in this industry by such a magnanimous gesture.

Furthermore, we would request that you make all future pilot workforce reductions by date-of-hire seniority order. This will also enhance XOJET's good name in the industry and will allow our pilots to know that if they were good enough to be hired initially, they are good enough to be returned to XOJET when business picks up. A written furlough policy would cost the Company nothing and would enhance pilot retention by giving them a feeling of security that could reverse the uncertainties of the pilots since the terminations. A written furlough policy can be a great thing for XOJET. Yada Yada Yada...

Respectfully, XOPILOT, FALCON FLYER, YADA, YADA

OK, so you are wondering.. Did it work? Well, no not exactly, but it did let manamgement that we did not take the terminations lightly. But 4 months later, when they went to the AirInc Job Fair to RECRUIT more pilots as they were now short, with the word out on the street.. they actually got heckled:D for their atrocious behavior! That helped.... Then everybody got recalled and we got a written furlough policy!

Just an idea... It couldn't hurt, but the first person to sign must have a lot of courage: It's better if you can get everybody to sign it.

Good Luck guys!

In Unity,

B727DRVR:cool:

PS- Hey XO, I don't think that it is a bad company, quite the opposite... Just a company that made a reverseable mistake, like Flight Options did.. Nobody is perfect! And they can still fix this and turn it from PR lemons to PR lemonade... Oh, and that was a nice post "I would hope we are ALL pro-pilot. There is certainly no need to squabble amongst ourselves." OK, 'nuff said, take care...........

Saw this in a piece on the New Castle Airport in Delaware. Pretty much the only good bit of news in the entire article.

Image puts drag on corporate aviation | delawareonline | The News Journal (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20090308/BUSINESS/903080342/1003)

"XOJET, a California-based charter facility with a fleet of 25 planes and an East Coast base in New Castle, has seen some encouraging signs amid the gloom, said Alison McCauley, vice president of marketing. She said flying hours were down 28 percent in January, but flight hours booked for March are higher than any such month in the company's three-year history.

"We are still making great margins," she said, noting that many of her company's customers don't have the option of cutting back on private air travel. "We wouldn't offer the product if we weren't making margins."

Her company's planes are the 10-seat Challenger 300 and the nine-seat Cessna Citation 10. The company laid off some employees late last year, mostly in finance (http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20090308/BUSINESS/903080342/1003#) and administration, but some pilots, too, she said. The company had forecast ambitious growth, and had to adjust to the new reality, McCauley said."