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airlnwnaB
03-17-2010, 04:20 PM
Does anyone know much about the civil air patrol? I'm a CFI but I'm also active duty in the army right now so I don't think I'll be able to get a job teaching especially these day's. l'm looking for something to keep me up in the air. I've heard about the civil air patrol but don't know if they will let you start flying for them as soon as you join? If anybody knows anything let me know!


AlmostThere
03-17-2010, 05:20 PM
this video has info...but i don't think it'll answer your specific questions that pertain to your situation

.: The Civil Air Patrol :. (http://www.gocivilairpatrol.com/html/pilotsVideo2.htm)

mshunter
03-17-2010, 05:25 PM
You might as well go rent at an FBO. They are both pay to play.


AlmostThere
03-17-2010, 05:28 PM
you have to pay to be in cap? wow i didnt know that, i just figured you didn't get paid

airlnwnaB
03-17-2010, 06:28 PM
thanks for the link to the video that was helpful. I did have a friend back in the day that joined them but left after a few months. He almost made it sound like you had to do a lot of other ground work before they would let you fly. I think it's one of those things that if i have to volunteer 50 hrs of ground time for 2 hours of flight time it's probably not worth it.
Also I'm almost positive you don't have to pay.

AlmostThere
03-17-2010, 06:35 PM
well, apparently you pay for your uniform. and since (i think i heard them say) there's 60,000 members, many which are old timer pilots who have been there a while, it probably takes a long time to work up the ranks to pilot

Ottopilot
03-17-2010, 06:56 PM
You pay a yearly fee, which varies from wing (state) to wing. Around $55/year. If you want to be a CAP pilot, then you take the required prerequisite courses online (easy). You also need a CAP checkout in the aircraft (like a BFR), but you pay for it at first. Once your a "mission pilot", they pay for one checkride per year. The cost of the CAP aircraft are about 1/2 the FBO rental rates (varies by state). A C182T Nav III (G1000) is about $95/hr. A simple C172 is $65.00.

If you just want to go up and fly, you pay for the aircraft, but you can't take non-CAP members as passengers, can't take it overnight, or out of state. Every wing is different, some require the group commanders approval before you fly. I won't even get into the flight release procedures and paperwork.

There is "free" flying. Cadet orientation flights (demo flight), ROTC flights, search and rescue flights, counter drug flights, homeland security, and more. To do cadet flights you need 200TT. To become a "mission pilot" involves a lot of specialized training and flying before you can fly the missions.

If you just want to build hours, then the CAP is not for you. You won't get many hours, nor will they come quickly. If you want to work with cadets, teach aerospace, and/or serve the community through emergecy services, then the CAP is for you.

I suggest visiting a local squadron and checking everything out first hand. There are cadet only squadrons, senior member (adult) squadrons, and mixed (composite). See where the aircraft are located. Talk to pilots. Overall it is a very good organization. My kids got me into it and I got involved for them, but I did end up flying.

.: The Civil Air Patrol :. (http://www.gocivilairpatrol.com)

Ottopilot
03-17-2010, 07:00 PM
well, apparently you pay for your uniform. and since (i think i heard them say) there's 60,000 members, many which are old timer pilots who have been there a while, it probably takes a long time to work up the ranks to pilot

Your grade/rank has nothing to do with being a pilot. You only need the FAA's private pilot and the CAP checkride. Your FAA certificates can "promote" you ahead due to mission skills. The PPL gets you 2nd Lt, the Commercial gets you 1st Lt, and the ATP or CFI gets you Captain. There is no seniority system. The first year guy can fly the same as the 20 year guy. You do pay for your uniforms, but every penny you spend on CAP is tax deductible. :)

Ottopilot
03-17-2010, 07:06 PM
I've heard about the civil air patrol but don't know if they will let you start flying for them as soon as you join? If anybody knows anything let me know!

Yes and no. You can start flying after you complete some simple online training requirements: ground handling, safety, CAP flight regulations (that are in addition to FARs), etc. No big deal. There is no time requirement before you fly. You just do the requirements and take the "form 5" CAP checkride and also check the orientation pilot box. Now you are a CAP pilot, but you can't fly missions yet. That requires more ground and flight training. You can still fly the plane. If they approve you to fly cadets, then that is paid for by the USAF (the plane is paid for, not you).

It can take time due to the fact that the instructors and check pilots are volunteers and you have to wait for their time.

Ottopilot
03-17-2010, 07:10 PM
thanks for the link to the video that was helpful. I did have a friend back in the day that joined them but left after a few months. He almost made it sound like you had to do a lot of other ground work before they would let you fly. I think it's one of those things that if i have to volunteer 50 hrs of ground time for 2 hours of flight time it's probably not worth it.
Also I'm almost positive you don't have to pay.

There is no ground "requirement", but they will check you out to see if you are going to serve CAP or yourself. They weed those out that are just here to fly cheaper aircraft. To take a CAP checkride, I need approval from the wing level. They do a little background on me through the group and squadron commander, before they approve me to fly.

AlmostThere
03-17-2010, 07:17 PM
ok sooo.....i think some of us here are a little more knowledgeable on this subject than others hint otto hint

airlnwnaB
03-18-2010, 10:26 AM
Thanks for all the helpful info ottopilot! I guess may next step is to go in and talk to somebody at a local wing to get a better feel for things.

rickt86
03-18-2010, 10:44 AM
If you do it, dont go following around planes in the sky looking for an ELT going off, when its on the ground, where a plane crashed 2 days earlier. Read the news or something before you go looking for an ELT, theres a good shot theres a plane crash right before.

mshunter
03-18-2010, 11:02 AM
I haven't been personally involved with CAP, but I have had many students who have. I have never heard a single one of them say anything that makes me want to join. From what I gather, it's mostly people who could never cut it in the military, so this is as close as they can get to that type of structure. But, a few of our local squadrans are run too much like a boot camp. And I'm sorry, but I DON'T need to pay a yearly butt chewing membership fee. IIRC, the guy I do regular inst. currency flights with spends over $1k a year to fly with them in a 206. He also took some checkride with them that allowed him to fly counter drug missions (form 5?), and the "checkride" wasn't cheap. All that after being a member for the last 10 years.

It's not all the fluff some make it out to be is all I'm saying. I have been to meetings of more than one squadran, and it's just not for me. YMMV

Ottopilot
03-18-2010, 11:40 AM
I haven't been personally involved with CAP, but I have had many students who have. I have never heard a single one of them say anything that makes me want to join. From what I gather, it's mostly people who could never cut it in the military, so this is as close as they can get to that type of structure. But, a few of our local squadrans are run too much like a boot camp. And I'm sorry, but I DON'T need to pay a yearly butt chewing membership fee. IIRC, the guy I do regular inst. currency flights with spends over $1k a year to fly with them in a 206. He also took some checkride with them that allowed him to fly counter drug missions (form 5?), and the "checkride" wasn't cheap. All that after being a member for the last 10 years.

It's not all the fluff some make it out to be is all I'm saying. I have been to meetings of more than one squadran, and it's just not for me. YMMV

Half of our senior members are still in the military (all branches). I don't know what you are talking about when you say they couldn't cut it in the military? They were discharged from the military and joined CAP? CAP is not the military. There is no "butt chewing" of anyone, as it is strickly forbidden. Some squadrons are more "military" than others. Some like it and some don't. I don't. I'm not in the military. Every squadron is different, some are good and some are not. I can name some AF Generals and Colonels that were former CAP. I can also list some astronauts and Thunderbird pilots. 10% of the AF Academy are former CAP members. The organization is what YOU make of it. Many kids learn to fly in the CAP- FREE. 25% of the kids in my squadron have soloed planes and/or gliders.

You only need 2 years as a member to do counter drug missions. Zero years to do search and rescue flying. Every CAP pilot takes an annual Form 5 checkride (BFR). It's free for "mission" qualified pilots, but your first one you pay for. It is a minimum of one hour, so it can be as cheap as $65. The 206 is not the cheapest CAP aircraft.

I've seen the good and bad of CAP. Everyone needs to check it out for themselves. Don't judge one CAP person or squadron; get the "big picture".

Burlcfii
03-20-2010, 12:17 AM
CAp has been great to me. I started as a Cadet in the 90's, and this really pushed me into loving aviation. Even as a cadet i didn't feel a push to be in the military. i took a 4 year break during college and then returned and started flying with them. i am now the Standardization and Evaluation Officer(Chief Check Pilot) for my wing (state). This has been a life saver. Since i wasn't able to pursue an aviation career right out of college CAP has allowed me to continue building time in the hopes that i will one day get a flying job. Being a Check Pilot CAP sent me to Kansas where i spent a week becoming a Cessna FITS certified instructor for the G-1000. this was done at no cost to me. I now fly C-172, C-182T NAVIII (G-1000), and Gippsland GA-8 with CAP and love every minute.

And to those critics you better watch out. God forbid you have a crash and are stuck in the wilderness somewhere most likely it will be a CAP aircrew and ground crew who will find you. Our main focus is Disaster Relief and Search and Rescue.

There are many benifits and low cost flying is one of them. you can rent a brand new C-182T NAVIII for $28.00 and hour plus fuel, in todays market that equals about 85-95 per hour. go to your local FBO or flight school and you will pay about double that. I hope this helps, and i didnt get to read all the postings so i hope i didnt hit the same points.:D

AirTrucker
03-21-2010, 04:12 PM
Would it be a good way to step back in to flying? I am already a teacher in the AEL lab at the local college for the SEMAA program, but that's only sitting in a basic sim with teenagers showing (and teaching) them the basic basics of flying, and I like because it keeps my knowledge fresh and I enjoy working with the teenagers, but its not actual flying lol. I am a medical student so time and $$ have been a bit of an issue with flying. From the post it sounds interesting, I know they have a hanger at the local airport. The only issue with me might be time because my life is now study study study study with possible clinical rotations starting in the fall and a summer internship with NASA. But if I could find a nice break from the books and participate in my other passion (flying) that would just be awesome! As a participant in CAP, do you think it would be a good thing to pursue despite some time issues? I sounds interesting and like something that I would enjoy.

N9373M
03-21-2010, 04:21 PM
I'm sure every wing is different, but one of the partners in my plane joined. He became disenchanted with the politics, paperwork, and lack of flying. He did everything he was supposed to do, but could never get in the left seat.

USMCFLYR
03-21-2010, 04:28 PM
I haven't been personally involved with CAP, but I have had many students who have. I have never heard a single one of them say anything that makes me want to join. From what I gather, it's mostly people who could never cut it in the military, so this is as close as they can get to that type of structure. But, a few of our local squadrans are run too much like a boot camp. And I'm sorry, but I DON'T need to pay a yearly butt chewing membership fee. IIRC, the guy I do regular inst. currency flights with spends over $1k a year to fly with them in a 206. He also took some checkride with them that allowed him to fly counter drug missions (form 5?), and the "checkride" wasn't cheap. All that after being a member for the last 10 years.

As I was dropping off a passenger at the San Diego airport today I struck up a conversation with the guy sitting next to me.
Turns out that he is a retired O-5 Navy Helo pilot and volunteers with a CAP squadron.
I did it for a few months back in high school.
I'm sure squadrons (or whatever they are called) vary greatly in tone and personality, but I didn't get that much out of it.
I thought it was neat to hear this guy talk about some of the *missions* that he has gone on though.
We got to talking about me trying to learn the Garmin 430 and 530 and he mentioned that he is getting pretty good at working with the Garmin 1000 in their C-182. Sounds pretty fancy! :)

USMCFLYR

Burlcfii
03-22-2010, 01:09 AM
it is a good way to get back in if you are already a pilot. CAP can not be used to train a new pilot. they make it clear that CAP is not a flight school for new pilots. It can however be used to add additional license once you have had time in CAP. if you are a pilot who is not current it is a cheaper way to get up with an instructor and get current, or get a biennal. CAP instructors cannot charge for instruction so you save there to.

AirTrucker
03-23-2010, 07:27 PM
I found a local CAP squadron and depending on my summer schedule I might contact them soon to get more info once I know I have the time, so I went upstairs to dust off the old flight gear and noticed that my medical was missing!!! I have searched and search for it and still cant find it. If I do not find it I assume I call the Doctor that issued it and see if he can wright up a new one since it is still current? Thanks for the help!