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I just wonder what happens with Air Mike.

United and Continental to announce merger - May. 2, 2010 (http://money.cnn.com/2010/05/02/news/companies/United_Continental_merger/index.htm?hpt=T2)

Let's Fly Together (http://www.unitedcontinentalmerger.com/)

Looks wierd with that CAL logo on the tail and United Name...I guess we will all get used to it.

Looks wierd with that CAL logo on the tail and United Name...I guess we will all get used to it.

Yeah, yeah it does. PLEASE....PLEASE hold the line on scope. This is it. Short a NASA/AA merger, this is our last chance.

Let's Fly Together (http://www.unitedcontinentalmerger.com/)

Oh God!! It's Hideous.

Just for discussion, is scope as important now? I actually think that the much larger fleet size may make scope less of an issue. What does everyone think?

Why do I have a feeling people are going to lose jobs???

It is always an issue. Fix the Air Lingus stuff, fix JV stuff, be very careful about Small Jet Scope (SJS)

We (DAL) are moving towards bigger jets, but it only takes one CEO and a new engine to change a trend.

Looks wierd with that CAL logo on the tail and United Name...I guess we will all get used to it.

I think the United logo will reappear permanently as a retro look in years to come.

Why do I have a feeling people are going to lose jobs???


The one link above does address this and I really hope the Union stands strong...of course there are always the "black cloud" folks that will "predict" negative things.

The companies believe front-line employees will be minimally affected by the merger, with the reductions coming principally from retirements, attrition and voluntary programs.

I think the United logo will reappear permanently as a retro look in years to come.

It is cool to see retro paint ect that has appeared on the airlines in recent past paint scemes.

If anyone knows the paint supplier I would appreciate knowing who they are .....and hope they are traded on the stock market...buy buy buy.:D

Just for discussion, is scope as important now? I actually think that the much larger fleet size may make scope less of an issue. What does everyone think?

You're going to have scope issues at the top end and bottom end until we stop flying airliners. If CAL's scope is relaxed then they're going to need a lot more E-Jets and long CRJs around.


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That paint is kind of hideous.

Maybe its temporary?

The one link above does address this and I really hope the Union stands strong...of course there are always the "black cloud" folks that will "predict" negative things.

The companies believe front-line employees will be minimally affected by the merger, with the reductions coming principally from retirements, attrition and voluntary programs.

For what it's worth, and didn't expect him to say anything less.....the 7th paragraph in a 20+ page letter/Q&A that Jeffery put out this morning in a CAL Employee Memo:

This merger will not have an immediate effect on you or your job. The regulatory review process takes quite awhile, and even after the merger occurs (which we expect to be in late 2010), it will take us until the first half of 2012 to operationally merge the two carriers. As always, however, I want to be upfront with you. Mergers do result in some job losses, particularly in non-operational positions. That part is painful, but in the long run, the merger will allow us to grow and prosper as a strong competitor, providing opportunities for advancement and the creation of new jobs. As always, we will do everything we can to mitigate job losses and work with those affected by the merger.

I hope they keep Rhapsody in Blue! Thats like the airline song.

:confused: I can not believe this can be good for the CLE hub. It has appeared to be shrinking some what over the years since 911. Its poor location in the lake effect region of Lake Erie plus limited and shorter runways and lack of realestate do not make for a Global Airline hub.
I really enjoy travel thru CLE because of limited delays and hate to see it go along the way of PIT or CVG. Moving the hub to PIT would certainly be a plus for the traveling public but I don't see that happening. I welcome other opinions.:(

Just for discussion, is scope as important now? I actually think that the much larger fleet size may make scope less of an issue. What does everyone think?

That's the 64 billion dollar question (asked in another thread). We at AAL are very interested in the outcome. You have to remember that UAL has 1500 pilots on the street--if you guys went DOH (or something close) and used UAL's scope clause is it possible to furlough native CAL guys and recall native UAL guys?

We have still have 1800 on the street, so a scope near what CAL has is going to be better for everyone in the industry.

Please, guys, PLEASE hold on to AT LEAST CAL's scope...

Will the no JV clause of the CAL pilot's contract now make the Air Lingus JV illegal? I sure hope so.

Just for discussion, is scope as important now? I actually think that the much larger fleet size may make scope less of an issue. What does everyone think?

Be very scared of the word "synergy." Combining the two airlines is going to allow efficiencies that were previously unavailable. Greater efficiency means less planes requires means less pilots required.

Tightening scope may be the only way to prevent even more furloughs. Its one of the only obvious ways that pilots can make sure that more pilots are needed at mainline. Prater may go on and on about "Taking it back" but I hope you guys actually do.

Something tells me that CAL will try even harder to park all its 737-500s and replace them with E190s or CRJ900s.

Why do I have a feeling people are going to lose jobs???

not a feeling, it's a fact according to Smisek

Dear co-worker:

We have decided to merge with United. We made this decision after extensive and careful consideration about what we need to do to succeed and thrive in the changing and competitive global airline industry. We believe this decision, which was unanimously approved by our Board of Directors, is in the long-term best interests of our co-workers, our customers, our stockholders and the communities we serve. Ever since Sept. 11, 2001, our future has been unstable and uncertain. We’ve lost more than $1 billion since then, and every time we’ve made progress, something bad has come along to set us back. This merger will help us break this cycle. This will be a merger of equals. We will keep Continental’s logo, livery and colors, and our Working Together culture, and I will lead the company as CEO. We will keep the United name, which has strong global recognition, and the headquarters will be in Chicago. We will, of course, continue to have a large presence and major employment in Houston. Glenn Tilton will serve as non-executive chairman of the board for two years, after which I will also become executive chairman. The board of directors will consist of equal numbers of directors from Continental and United, along with two union representatives required by United’s charter. Our combined airline will have the most comprehensive network in the industry with 370 destinations. As the world’s premier airline, we will have an unmatched scope and scale that will allow us to generate more revenue and operate the combined carrier more efficiently. This will help us achieve and sustain profitability, which will permit us to improve career opportunities for co-workers of both airlines. We’ll have 10 hubs, including hubs in all four of the nation’s largest cities, and Houston will remain the airline’s largest hub. We will continue to have the youngest and most fuel-efficient fleet (adjusted for cabin mix), and the best new aircraft order book, among major U.S. network carriers. Although this merger will greatly improve the future of our company, I know this will be a big change for all of you. I also know that you have many questions and concerns. One of the toughest things has been not being able to talk to you when the press kept reporting about merger discussions. I hated being muzzled by the lawyers. Now that we’ve made this announcement and I’m free to talk to you again, you’re going to hear from me directly, openly, honestly and regularly, just like you did before this whole process started. We have put out a Q&A that will answer some of your questions, and I will be going around the system soon to meet with groups of you and answer your questions directly. While we don’t have all the answers to every question you may have now, we’ll keep communicating with you openly and honestly as this long process unfolds. This merger will not have an immediate effect on you or your job. The regulatory review process takes quite awhile, and even after the merger occurs (which we expect to be in late 2010), it will take us until the first half of 2012 to operationally merge the two carriers. As always, however, I want to be upfront with you. Mergers do result in some job losses, particularly in non-operational positions. That part is painful, but in the long run, the merger will allow us to grow and prosper as a strong competitor, providing opportunities for advancement and the creation of new jobs. As always, we will do everything we can to mitigate job losses and work with those affected by the merger. Open, honest and direct communication won’t change as a result of the merger, nor will our Working Together culture. You know how important I believe our culture is, and as CEO of the merged company, I will do everything I can to make sure that our Working Together culture becomes a fundamental part of the combined airline. I know this decision is emotional for all of us, but it’s the right thing to do for our future. So while many things will be changing, two things aren’t going to change: our dedication to running a clean, safe and reliable airline, and our Working Together culture of treating each other, and customers, with dignity and respect, and open, honest and direct communication. These two things have gotten us through tough and uncertain times before, and they will get us through this merger and out the other side, where we can become a strong, growing and profitable carrier, with great service, a great culture and a great future.

Jeff

Something tells me that CAL will try even harder to park all its 737-500s and replace them with E190s or CRJ900s.

Something tells me that the combined MEC's will try even harder to reclaim lost scope and assure E190s or CRJ900's go to mainline.

I've got my popcorn and a back row seat. Guess there will be a long running "Latest and Greatest at United/Continental (or whatever it will be called)" thread pretty soon dealing with the SLI.

^yup, lets hope

I've got my popcorn and a back row seat. Guess there will be a long running "Latest and Greatest at United/Continental (or whatever it will be called)" thread pretty soon dealing with the SLI.

Well, straight DOH from top to bottom and I am certainly on board with this!

:confused: I can not believe this can be good for the CLE hub. It has appeared to be shrinking some what over the years since 911. Its poor location in the lake effect region of Lake Erie plus limited and shorter runways and lack of realestate do not make for a Global Airline hub.
I really enjoy travel thru CLE because of limited delays and hate to see it go along the way of PIT or CVG. Moving the hub to PIT would certainly be a plus for the traveling public but I don't see that happening. I welcome other opinions.:(

CLE has one advantage going for it. No other airline hubs the city...

CLE has one advantage going for it. No other airline hubs the city...

Same thing for STL, but AA continues to shrink it. :(

Just for discussion, is scope as important now? I actually think that the much larger fleet size may make scope less of an issue. What does everyone think?

If we want the fleet size to stay large (and grow), yes it is.

If you don't have relative seniority, you're going to have a very disjointed pilot group...

CLE has one advantage going for it. No other airline hubs the city...

the best part about being based in CLE or EWR is you don't have any layovers in CLE/EWR

This merger will create job losses, but probably not on the pilot side. Synergies does not imply job losses, if anything it can help prevent them.

Job losses will occur on the non frontline. HR employees, sales agents, etc will lost likely be given opportunites to move their jobs from IAH to ORD. Dispatchers, mechanics, etc will receive the same offers. Some will decline, & take a severance. My guess is IAH will be hit the hardest as far as non frontline job employees.

Oh God!! It's Hideous.

pilot never cease to amaze me. It is no different than our current paint other than the name on the side. Same color, font, everything and it is hideous. Hilarious. allbeit I am a heterosexual so I am not very good at this sort of stuff. They can paint the thing pink for all I care.

Be very scared of the word "synergy." Combining the two airlines is going to allow efficiencies that were previously unavailable. Greater efficiency means less planes requires means less pilots required.

The new company will be free to pursue opportunistic growth in the rebounding economy now that the respective management teams no longer need to keep themselves groomed for the inevitable industry consolidation.

My $.02:

http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/mergers-acquisitions/50264-my-humble-opinion-merged-ual-cal-list-3.html#post805378

Well, straight DOH from top to bottom and I am certainly on board with this!

Hmmmmm... you don't really seem interested in scope... want DOH.... I'll go out on a limb and guess you are a UAL 747 lineholding captain and have been for about a hundred years...

Anybody have the fleet breakdown?

Just for discussion, is scope as important now? I actually think that the much larger fleet size may make scope less of an issue. What does everyone think?

I think scope is as important as ever. The smaller gauge flying being kept (brought back) to mainline means less job attrition to the so called "synergies" of these mergers.

Anybody have the fleet breakdown?


700ish planes...Just at mainline...APC has everything on the individual profiles of the airlines.

This link is to a presentation that includes a lot of information to include the fleet breakdown.

http://www.unitedcontinentalmerger.com/sites/default/files/pdfs/FINAL+Investor+Presentation%5B1%5D.pdf

13. Will there be any involuntary furloughs in front-line workgroups as a result of the merger?

Given normal attrition and retirements, we currently expect on a system-wide basis that we will hire and/or recall from furlough employees in all major frontline workgroups (pilots, flight attendants, technicians and airport agents) over time. However, when we complete the operational merger process (expected by the first half of 2012), there will likely be overlapping workforces at some airport locations, which may result in local furloughs as some employees won't be able to relocate to accept open positions elsewhere in the system. Because these local reductions will occur up to two years from now, we expect to be able to minimize and perhaps eliminate the need for local furloughs through retirements, attrition and special voluntary programs such as early outs, company offered leaves of absence and voluntary furlough initiatives.

14. I’m not a frontline co-worker. What happens to me and my department?

First of all, nothing will happen prior to the legal merger, which we expect won’t occur until late 2010. As in most mergers, some operating efficiencies are created by eliminating overlapping jobs within the management and clerical ranks, particularly administrative jobs at both United’s and Continental’s original corporate headquarters. Any reduction in headcount will occur only after a careful and thoughtful review of the people and the functions they perform at each of the carriers. This review will likely take many months to complete, and consequently it’s too early to provide details on the ultimate resolution. As soon as we have more details on the process and the outcome, we will let potentially impacted management and clerical co-workers at Continental know, and we expect United will do the same for their people. We are committed to an equitable process between Continental and United, with determinations based on the business needs of the combined company. Just like with frontline co-workers, we expect retirements, attrition and special voluntary programs at both carriers will help us manage the process.

Just for discussion, is scope as important now? I actually think that the much larger fleet size may make scope less of an issue. What does everyone think?

Yes, scope is still the number one issue.

OK Guys - Make sure this deal includes a nice fat pay raise for the Pilots. At a 15-20% pay bump per merger we can slowly work our way back to a more credible pilot pay scale. :) There is no reason why UAL/CAL should not be the highest paid mainline pilots (dubious distinction at best) after this deal.

Scoop

They (management) want to close this deal before year's end... To the pilots... brace, brace, brace.....

Something tells me that the combined MEC's will try even harder to reclaim lost scope and assure E190s or CRJ900's go to mainline.

If ALPA blows this and doesn't get scope nailed down, (at a minimum 70+ seats at mainline but I would like to see 50+) then what good are they as a union?

If ALPA blows this and doesn't get scope nailed down, (at a minimum 70+ seats at mainline but I would like to see 50+) then what good are they as a union?

I agree but remember ALPA is a CA's Union. A senior widebody CA's union.
Scope needs to be #1 issue to be nailed down for this merger to work in favor of junior pilots at UAL and CAL.

I agree but remember ALPA is a CA's Union. A senior widebody CA's union.
Scope needs to be #1 issue to be nailed down for this merger to work in favor of junior pilots at UAL and CAL.

I concur with what you said. There are a lot of junior pilots(including furloughed) at both airlines that will not be happy if they are thrown under the bus again.

Oh God!! It's Hideous.

Come on. Look how ugly the SWA paint job is. Would you not give your left nut to fly for them?

Something tells me that CAL will try even harder to park all its 737-500s and replace them with E190s or CRJ900s.

What is the status of the 735s? I had always heard their CASM was poor in comparison to other aircraft. They're only about 17 years old on average (I'm a Delta pilot, 40 is old, 20 is a average domestic jet :D). But weren't the leases an issue because they came from a raw deal in Chapter 11 or something?

Whats the latest and greatest about the 737-500s? And if parked in the next few years... what replaces them? Regionals?

Bethune on CNBC says this is "Check mate" in the airline industry, yet it appears he has concerns about the execution. He does think Smizek would be the man to do this, if it can be done.

I do think that, after Glenn and Jeff quit hugging, kissing, and gushing with pride like newlyweds, there are going to be some legitimate questions about whther this will be done right. Undoutdedly, you've got probably the leading brand worldwide if this gets done, but that's just it: will it be done right?

I think your unions might be smart to put a little emphasis on the "execution risk" aspect of this merger. There's money to be made in offering a smoother execution.

First: It aint (and shouldn't) going to be DOH, and DOH would be great for me.

Second: I don't care WHAT color you paint it, just show me the money.

Three: Scope is #1 to me, and I think most of us.

Four: See #3.

Five: So long Tilton. Don't let the door hit you in the a$$.

I think the Delta/NWA, US/AWergers has proven the benefit of working with labor to make the merger as painless as possible. Even if it means making concessions to the pilots for pay, work rules, and even scope. Getting everyone on board and happy will pay dividends down the road.

First: It aint (and shouldn't) going to be DOH, and DOH would be great for me.

Second: I don't care WHAT color you paint it, just show me the money.

Three: Scope is #1 to me, and I think most of us.

Four: See #3.

Five: So long Tilton. Don't let the door hit you in the a$$.
NOT SO FAST......

He's like the "HERP".......

He's going to stick around for AT LEAST 2 more years......maybe more to ride the economic up-swing to further pad his bank of "Rape/Pillage" before making his 'get away'.

"GOOD TIMES" GLENN.....stoked.:rolleyes:

Something tells me that the combined MEC's will try even harder to reclaim lost scope and assure E190s or CRJ900's go to mainline.

I sure hope so. CAL scope is a major ALPA advantage and I hope they use that capital to keep scope at mainline so the furloughed UAL guys can come back.

I see this as the single most important issue for the pilot groups going forward. Good luck all and keep the importance of scope at the front of the bargaining table.

The local news just said the CLE will be a hub and have 65 mainline flights....I donk think that sounds like much of a hub. I could be wrong...

Come on. Look how ugly the SWA paint job is. Would you not give your left nut to fly for them?

I wouldn't give YOUR left nut to fly for them

Bethune on CNBC says this is "Check mate" in the airline industry, yet it appears he has concerns about the execution.

I saw that too... what do you s'pose he meant by that?

Something tells me that CAL will try even harder to park all its 737-500s and replace them with E190s or CRJ900s.


There is no problem in replacing the 735s with E190s or CRJ1000s, just that they should be operated by mainline. Pure and simple.

It seems to me that most airlines are waking up and realizing it is better to operate larger mainline aircraft 1 or 2 times a day to a small destination than 10 CRJs, and after the whole Republic/Midwest/Frontier fiasco airlines are waking up and realizing they are funding their own enemies by creating these mega regionals; and that in the future we will see a reduction in regional flying and an increase in mainline in the years to come, but I agree that the new combined MEC should fight for at least keeping COs scope.

Just for discussion, is scope as important now? I actually think that the much larger fleet size may make scope less of an issue. What does everyone think?

With all due respect, this was the same mentality 15 years ago. Now over 50% of the flights in the United States are conducted by the regionals.

Secure the scope now while you can.

I wonder how much capacity will come out of the system simply as a result of configuring CO's aircraft with UA's economy plus product? Looking at the seating charts for the 737-800 and A320, it looks like CO has 155 seats in their 737-800's while UA has either 138 or 144 in their A320's depending on configuration. That's an 8-11% reduction in capacity on those aircraft. It's not a cure all, but it can't hurt when it comes to preserving jobs in a merger.

With all due respect, this was the same mentality 15 years ago. Now over 50% of the flights in the United States are conducted by the regionals.

Secure the scope now while you can.

Agreed.

This is the Tipping Point right now.....IF it's NOT held here, I seriously doubt that things will change 'for the better' on this topic in the near/remote future.

One Voice/One CBA.....asap.

Come on. Look how ugly the SWA paint job is. Would you not give your left nut to fly for them?

No I wouldn't give any part of my body to fly anywhere on the mainland...

Seriously though, it's not the colors, it's seeing the CAL logo next to the United Name... it's just, it doesn't go together, at all.

So just wondering (since nobody mentioned) any idea on what happens to Air Mike now? United Micronesia? Or "so-long" to GUM?

...So just wondering (since nobody mentioned) any idea on what happens to Air Mike now? United Micronesia? Or "so-long" to GUM?

GUM will stay. In the employee Q & A it was stated that over the course of setting up the merge this year they will look at weather they want to keep CMI separate on the Air Mic cerfitikate or merge the ops in to the new United.

So just wondering (since nobody mentioned) any idea on what happens to Air Mike now? United Micronesia? Or "so-long" to GUM?

If they closed that GUM Ops, let's just say there would be a 'few' certain characters that would be forced back into 'west civilization'.....and those certain 'few' would not be able to function in a normal society. That I am sure of.

That's a whole different discussion for a different day.

On point, I would put money on what SUPERfluf said about the operating certificate.

Can someone explain Air Mike to the rest of us?

Are they CAL Planes or their own? Can it be bid just like any other base? Can they fly east of Hawaii? How many pilots/planes are there, what's their seniority, and has there been a lot of movement in and out of there over the years?

Thanks

Come on. Look how ugly the SWA paint job is. Would you not give your left nut to fly for them?


Uhhh....no.

I think the Delta/NWA, US/AWergers has proven the benefit of working with labor to make the merger as painless as possible. Even if it means making concessions to the pilots for pay, work rules, and even scope. Getting everyone on board and happy will pay dividends down the road.

Ya, Delta/NWA shows us the right way and US/AW shows the way NOT to do it!

Can someone explain Air Mike to the rest of us?

Are they CAL Planes or their own? Can it be bid just like any other base? Can they fly east of Hawaii? How many pilots/planes are there, what's their seniority, and has there been a lot of movement in and out of there over the years?

Thanks

Q:Are they CAL Planes or their own?
A: They are CAL owned planes operating under a separate certificate

Q: Can it be bid just like any other base?
A: Yes, when we run our bids if there's openings anyone can bid it.

Q: Can they fly east of Hawaii?
A: No, currently they do not

Q: How many pilots/planes are there, what's their seniority, and has there been a lot of movement in and out of there over the years?

A: Not sure how many 737-800's there are out there but they have 52 Captains and 67 F/O's. Captain seniority varies from senior '83 scabs to 1998 hires. I'd say movement lately has been minimal. Back in the mid '90's lots of junior F/O's were shipped out there during furloughs.

The GUM flying is done by CAL Pilots. Bidding out there/back is 'seamless' so to speak. The GUM Ops does operate on a different certificate, but outside that, it's all done from the 'same' CAL Master Seniority List. The only list's that are 'separate' is the FA seniority lists.....AirMike vs CAL.

Not sure on the specifics, but depending on your length/or commitment to be based there (I 'think' 18-24 months), there is company paid moved expenses factored in (car/household/ect)......as well as a living expense too - IE rent $$ given to you monthly (somewhere on the order of $1000/mo). I have never done this myself, so maybe those who have can touch more specifically on that.

**GUM flying is all B737/800 flying....LN Pay Rates.

**STAFFING: CA-52 FO-67 (numbers as of May 2010 staffing)

**Seniority Ranges: CA 11/83 --->02/96
FO 04/87---->11/07

**Outside of the "Island Hopper" trip, there are not many 'overnights' so to speak.....so your in your own bed a lot more than other CAL flying state side. Many guys/gals bid their schedules to fly first or last half of the month, and back the following month up in the opposite sense giving large amount of days off in a stretch....enabling time off for travel/or long distance commutes.

**As far as the in/out of staffing, I would guess the top 1/3 of the FO's list has been pretty stagnant.....as well as the top 1/2 of the CA's list being the same. Since it's a 'small base', very much a family feel.

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NOTE....as EWR pointed out, IF there are now /700's based there....figure 'blended rate' (average/divide LN vs SN to get pay rate) pay on VAC, Sick-time, and Training.

Otherwise, it's "Fly it like you stole it"....AKA you get paid LN for flying /800 a/c, or you will get paid SN for flying the /700.

And by family feel, my esteemed colleague means: 'wife swapping' and other recreational activities.

And by family feel, my esteemed colleague means: 'wife swapping' and other recreational activities.

I'd say something but the mods would shut me down...

Anyway, thanks for the info on Air Mike, our biggest piece of flying is subbed out from Air Mike so hoping things stay the status quo out here in the islands.

**GUM flying is all B737/800 flying....LN Pay Rates.

Not true anymore. The 737-700 is being or is going to be used on a couple of recently announced destinations. Fiji comes to mind and not sure about others so no longer the high pay stuff exclusively.

Not true anymore. The 737-700 is being or is going to be used on a couple of recently announced destinations. Fiji comes to mind and not sure about others so no longer the high pay stuff exclusively.

I am not sure about Fiji.....is so, my bad. As I stated in my post, have never been based there, or done that since being at CAL. Have just been through on the 5 & 8 Day.

If you have further insight, shoot away for our new/inquiring UAL colleague.:)

Not true anymore. The 737-700 is being or is going to be used on a couple of recently announced destinations.

So that's why we passed a -700 in PKMJ the other day. Good to know.

Does CAL fly the 737-500 in the same fleet as the NGs?

Is the 767-400 a separate fleet?

Does CAL fly the 737-500 in the same fleet as the NGs?

Is the 767-400 a separate fleet?

Pilot assignments are as follows:

777/787
757/767
737

For pay, there are differences between variants in some cases. You can find that info on airlinepilotcentral.com under 'airlines.'

Does CAL fly the 737-500 in the same fleet as the NGs?

Yes

the 767-400 a separate fleet?

No, lumped in with the 757-200,300 & 767-200,400

If I had told people 20 plus years ago that DAL would merge with NW and then UAL with CO they would have called me crazy ,good luck with all thats involved with this .



Crabby ole Capt.

Yes



No, lumped in with the 757-200,300 & 767-200,400


Thanks for the reply.

Wow, and I thought the 76/75 Flight Manual was too thick now...

At UAL:
(all P&W engines)
757-200
ER and non-ER
Winglet/non-Winglet
PS Seating configuration
767-300
56k engine 2-class 360.0 GW
60k engine 3-class 407.0 GW