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maddogmax
11-18-2010, 01:28 PM
Now that GM has gone public again does anyone think that they will ramp up their flight department again. It is sad to taxi by their empty facility in DTW


Cubdriver
11-18-2010, 02:02 PM
For heaven's sake I doubt it after that fiasco with negative public relations in 2008. It may not have been deserved, but negative PR is something that has to be carefully avoided. If they bring back the jets at all, I would guess they will be one of the last big corporations to do it and even then it would seem a good idea to be discreet until other companies come back first.

QuietSpike
11-18-2010, 05:16 PM
Agreed, and those negative campaigns by our "friends" in congress cost me my former job as well.

I just wish the chiefs at GM and Ford had some ballz when they were asked "how did you get here today?"...



My response would have been- "THE SAME WAY YOU DID SENATOR, EXCEPT I AM NOT ON TAXPAYER'S DOLLARS."


Sorry to the mods if "ballz" is too extreme. :)


AKASHA
11-18-2010, 05:32 PM
My response would have been- "THE SAME WAY YOU DID SENATOR, EXCEPT I AM NOT ON TAXPAYER'S DOLLARS."

That sounds like trying to tell them use of personal aircraft is not responsible spending. Probably not the best thing to shout out.

clipperskipper
11-18-2010, 05:51 PM
Now that GM has gone public again does anyone think that they will ramp up their flight department again. It is sad to taxi by their empty facility in DTW

Actually they were tooling around last week, touting today's GM IPO.

QuietSpike
11-18-2010, 05:54 PM
That sounds like trying to tell them use of personal aircraft is not responsible spending. Probably not the best thing to shout out.



Why not, when that is *exactly* what the committee was trying to show with the CEO's of GM and Ford?

It is not trying to say that it is not "responsible", it is saying they are being quite hypocritical! And they were! BTW, have you ever heard the recording of Pelosi's assistant having a cow because the GV wasn't available!? Unreal.

NowCorporate
11-18-2010, 06:16 PM
I just wish the chiefs at GM and Ford had some ballz when they were asked "how did you get here today?"...






Most who were laid off just wish those morons had the BRAINZ to not come in their own GVs to beg for taxpayer money.

Even the banks took the train/airlines and left the jets in the hangar to go toy with the fools Frank (D-MASS) and Ackerman (D-NY)

The Chairman of GM did just fine when he lost his job, not sure about the 20+ pilots who had to go look for work (in Michigan of all places)

AKASHA
11-18-2010, 08:19 PM
Why not, when that is *exactly* what the committee was trying to show with the CEO's of GM and Ford?

It is not trying to say that it is not "responsible", it is saying they are being quite hypocritical! And they were! BTW, have you ever heard the recording of Pelosi's assistant having a cow because the GV wasn't available!? Unreal.

Yes, I'm aware of Pelosi's demands concerning DoD aircraft. And why she was accommodated to such a degree.. I just don't know.

But, I do think THAT hearing would NOT have been the proper forum for the pot to stand up and call the kettle black. I don't think it would have been helpful to corporate aviation at all.

Just my opinion.

QuietSpike
11-19-2010, 05:42 AM
Yes, I'm aware of Pelosi's demands concerning DoD aircraft. And why she was accommodated to such a degree.. I just don't know.

But, I do think THAT hearing would NOT have been the proper forum for the pot to stand up and call the kettle black. I don't think it would have been helpful to corporate aviation at all.

Just my opinion.


And you are entitled to it...

But I think standing up and calling the kettle black would have been a better response than the alternative... which is what they gave... and now we are here, and it is not pretty.. so I am confused as to what you think is "helpful" for biz-av.

But whatever... I think most people would agree with me. Next topic.:cool:

Cubdriver
11-19-2010, 05:45 AM
Guys, please cool it with overtly political comments or this thread will spiral to a close.

brianb
11-19-2010, 07:17 AM
They are starting to warm up the C-152. Cessna 172 on "standby". How is the corporate market these days? Is it starting to get better?

dojetdriver
11-19-2010, 08:09 AM
Yes, I'm aware of Pelosi's demands concerning DoD aircraft. And why she was accommodated to such a degree.. I just don't know.

I'm NOT defending a certain person in ANY way, shape, or form that should be drawn and quartered. But as I read somewhere else about that;

Believe what you wish;

snopes.com: Nancy Pelosi's Jet (http://www.snopes.com/politics/pelosi/jet.asp)

FactCheck.org: Did Nancy Pelosi order up a 200-seat jet for her personal use? (http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/did_nancy_pelosi_order_up_a_200-seat.html)

NYSPK9
11-19-2010, 03:49 PM
Guys, please cool it with overtly political comments or this thread will spiral to a close.
Interesting twist by the Mod, in trying to dissuade the discussion of politics role in collapse of GM's Flight Department. It's a verifiable fact that political influences lead directly to the demise of several flight departments, and the loss of many jobs by many crewmembers. Not arguing the Mods right to do this, just making the statement that this issue was made an issue, purely for the political theater it became.

NowCorporate
11-19-2010, 05:08 PM
Guys, please cool it with overtly political comments or this thread will spiral to a close.

Glad the internet forum cops are in!!

:rolleyes:

Politics has EVERYTHING to do with these departments and this thread.

Grumble
11-19-2010, 05:19 PM
Why not, when that is *exactly* what the committee was trying to show with the CEO's of GM and Ford?

It is not trying to say that it is not "responsible", it is saying they are being quite hypocritical! And they were! BTW, have you ever heard the recording of Pelosi's assistant having a cow because the GV wasn't available!? Unreal.

Didn't she also have to "settle" for the G-V? I seem to remember her getting crucified in the press because she was demanding a 757 to take her and her entire entourage and family.

dojetdriver
11-19-2010, 09:55 PM
Interesting twist by the Mod, in trying to dissuade the discussion of politics role in collapse of GM's Flight Department. It's a verifiable fact that political influences lead directly to the demise of several flight departments, and the loss of many jobs by many crewmembers. Not arguing the Mods right to do this, just making the statement that this issue was made an issue, purely for the political theater it became.

I said a word that rhymes with boat once, wasn't even a political thread. Was an off color joke that EVERYBODY has heard before

Got a post deletion and an infraction/nastygram for making a thread political :eek:

QuietSpike
11-20-2010, 05:37 AM
I said a word that rhymes with boat once, wasn't even a political thread. Was an off color joke that EVERYBODY has heard before

Got a post deletion and an infraction/nastygram for making a thread political :eek:

I am a little punchy this morning... what word rhymes with "coat"? LoL... I can't come up with it... :confused:

I think everyone on here gets an infraction at some point. I got one for posting a bunch of cold hard facts about Comair, and then putting my opinion at the end... something *everyone* does on here on a daily basis... but because a mod disagreed with my opinion, my posts got the boot and I got dinged.

I understand the mods don't want politics on here, or flamebait... but lets be honest here-- when CEO's of major companies go in front of Congress and discuss things that directly affect all of us, and now we are talking about it... it is near impossible to not talk about the political arena, regardless of your personal views.

Maybe a little more discretion is in order... this should be a place to speak freely.

AKASHA
11-20-2010, 07:36 AM
Well.. now that we're back on topic.. let me just say how I really feel...

ALL pilots of corporate aircraft should be TSA employees. We need to keep this country safe and they are the ones to do it!! Ordinary citizens do not belong in the cockpits of aircraft flying around in an unsecure GA environment.

AKASHA
11-20-2010, 07:37 AM
Bad joke I know. But damn... I could just imagine.

gearcrankr
11-20-2010, 07:37 AM
I think the biggest disappointment out of the big three would have to be Mullaly. Given his backround he should have been able to speak with some knowledge and intelligence.