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detpilot
12-18-2010, 07:47 AM
What kind of crew rest areas do the ultra long range business jets have? Are they comfortable? Located below the main deck?


BoilerUP
12-18-2010, 10:11 AM
What kind of crew rest areas do the ultra long range business jets have? Are they comfortable? Located below the main deck?

Only thing "below the main deck" on a Gulfstream or Global is fuel.

I think crew rest on ULR aircraft is typically behind the cockpit or galley, but I'm sure NowCorporate will be on here shortly to talk about how the 7X lacks greatly in that department :D

UCLAbruins
12-18-2010, 12:50 PM
I'm not 100% sure (I'm on the -IV) but I believe NJA's Vs and 550s have the rest-area where Boiler said, behind the cockpit.

keep in mind that when flights exceed 12 hours, they cut the cabin in half, so the fwd. half becomes a "crew rest area"..


galaxy flyer
12-18-2010, 02:42 PM
UCLABruins

Please expand on using the forward cabin area as crew rest. I fly the Global, private, and we just use the forward crew rest area behind the co-pilot. How does the pax get on with losing the forward half?

OP

There is precious little room for the crew rest on eithe plane. The GLEX has a 135-compliant area behind the copilot, but it is opposite the galley, so noise and smells from there interrupt rest, not very good. Don't know how they will handle the 17-hour legs on the new G8000.

GF

NowCorporate
12-18-2010, 03:07 PM
Globals and GVs usually have pretty OK rest areas on one side of the galley. Its usually a curtained off reclining seat with monitor, etc. It works...until the FA bangs around in the galley etc. It also often becomes a crap storage area.

The idea of using the cabin for crew rest is ludicrous. I have done it and it just does not work - I dont care how many pax you have. I have come to the conclusion that 3 tired pilots is as bad as 2 and the only solution is a full crew swap stop.

And yes BU - the 7X was designed with a very nice rest area like a Global, but everyone has yanked it out as that Dassault designed rest area left the galley to be exactly the size of a DA2000 galley (pathetic) and appropriate service was impossible. It didnt even have a chiller for food storage (is that safe?)...:confused: Hands down a horrible design by Dassault.

LOL - anyhow - just about everyone ripped them out and added galley. Now the "rest area" is in back with the pax. Lovely.

I'd hate to fly this airplane around the world...(or any airplane?...:)) and really have zero interest in the crap they are talking about now with these planes going 8-9000nm. I think 6000nm is ridiculous and cant even imagine going 3-4 more hours. That stuffs for the young guys...:-)

but I gotta say, I'd really like to have a rest area "below deck"

UCLAbruins
12-18-2010, 04:22 PM
UCLABruins

Please expand on using the forward cabin area as crew rest. I fly the Global, private, and we just use the forward crew rest area behind the co-pilot. How does the pax get on with losing the forward half?


GF

yes sir, and please correct me if I'm wrong.

A 4th pilot becomes mandatory when the flight exceeds 12 hours.. Under those circunstances the crew "splits" the cabin in half. The crew uses the fwd half, the pax get the aft.

Passengers hate doing that, they'd much rather do a stop and have the whole cabin to themselves.

galaxy flyer
12-18-2010, 04:44 PM
We "wimp" out and go with 3, even if flight time exceeds 12 hours--th "benefits" of being FAR 91

Thanks, GF

NowCorporate
12-18-2010, 05:16 PM
We "wimp" out and go with 3, even if flight time exceeds 12 hours--th "benefits" of being FAR 91

Thanks, GF

Us too....3 up to an 18hr duty day, followed by 24hr rest.

QuietSpike
12-18-2010, 05:25 PM
The 550 has an optional crew rest seat that is surrounded by nice faux-wood walls and a proper door-- no curtains, you are in your own pod with the same seat as the rest of the cabin-- own personal tv, etc. The problem is, it takes up ROOM that the people who buy these things don't want to give up....

the last demonstrator I flew on at THE STREAM had the optional crew rest area..... not bad, but not a full bed either. :)

NowCorporate
12-18-2010, 05:59 PM
The 550 has an optional crew rest seat that is surrounded by nice faux-wood walls and a proper door-- no curtains, you are in your own pod with the same seat as the rest of the cabin-- own personal tv, etc. The problem is, it takes up ROOM that the people who buy these things don't want to give up....

the last demonstrator I flew on at THE STREAM had the optional crew rest area..... not bad, but not a full bed either. :)

yeah yeah...its a STREAM thing...:)

All demos have fancy wooden door rest areas (even the French junk) but once real galleys are added and weight becomes a serious issue, the fancy doors and lie flat spaces always get tossed. Remember, the wine and the caviar is way more important than a rested pilot.

STREAM..(:)) or not, outfitting these things is a nightmare....and the rest issue, to me, is the biggest Safety issue in our industry today.

PW305
12-18-2010, 06:22 PM
The 550 has an optional crew rest seat that is surrounded by nice faux-wood walls and a proper door-- no curtains, you are in your own pod with the same seat as the rest of the cabin-- own personal tv, etc. The problem is, it takes up ROOM that the people who buy these things don't want to give up....

The -550 at NBAA had that enclosed rest area and I was surprised to see it placarded 'Not 14 CFR 135.xxx complaint for crew rest' or something.

What's that about?

detpilot
12-19-2010, 09:44 AM
Thanks guys, very interesting.

pilotmiketx
12-19-2010, 11:44 AM
The -550 at NBAA had that enclosed rest area and I was surprised to see it placarded 'Not 14 CFR 135.xxx complaint for crew rest' or something.

What's that about?

135.269 (a) (5) Adequate sleeping facilities on the aircraft for the relief pilot;

I think since the crew rest area doesn't have berthable/flat seats, it has been determined that it isn't an adequate sleeping facility. That's why NJI splits the cabin...so they can berth the fore/aft seats.

DSflyer05
12-19-2010, 08:07 PM
As previously stated the GV has a nice crew rest area. Ours is straight ahead when you come up the entry stairs. It is a full size seat that reclines fully and is completey enclosed. We have our own lighting control, tv, table, and phone. Our forward galley is right across from crew rest area so no going all the way to the back to the main galley to get food or drink. We also close the main cabin door so it is always quiet and don't have to worry about pax noise. With all that said I also agree that 2 fresh pilots is still better than 3 tired pilots! Since we use our crew rest on a regular basis it is still nice to have, beats trying to get sleep in the rear of the main cabin with the loud pax.