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mcdozer
01-03-2011, 07:15 AM
didnt get the job .

I was told during the last interview 500 folks applied, 100 were given an initial screening/technical interview and 12 were selected for the final interview.

I made it to the final 12

Well, I got the bad news a couple weeks later and was told that they went with someone that they already knew and had experience with. I obviously was VERY cordial and thanked them for their time and respectfully requested they keep my info on file for any future opening, said good-bye and hung up.

Then I got a little frustrated after hanging up, not so much that I lost the job but that I spent close to $300 in logbook prep/printing, resume prep, interview presentation packets, etc... to lose the position to what sounded like a predetermined candidate.

So a quick question for my corporate pilot sages as a pilot moving from a 121 career trying to get into corporate flying Im a little confused, is this normal for a company go through the laborious HR interviewing process, i.e. interviewing multiple candidates over a period of months to still just hire a predetermined pilot (to meet a legal requirement?) or did I really have a shot?


gearcrankr
01-03-2011, 08:01 AM
McD

Though I am not a corporate pilot, I have been thru the same thing. The job was filled before it was ever posted. You are simply a victim of corporate HR/Legal bs. Best of luck to you.

darkroomsource
01-03-2011, 08:49 AM
I don't know what it's like in the 121 world, nor do I know what it's like in the corporate FLYING world, but in the corporate world, this is the norm.
For everything from CEO to janitor.
There are many laws which govern the hiring of people and then there are numerous policies within most corporations, these combine to cause the requirement of interviewing outside candidates under just about all circumstances.
And from my experience (30 years in the corporate world), there's no way to identify when there is already someone "in mind" for the position before you've expended considerable time and effort in the process yourself.
So, just as I'm sure there are positives and negatives to having a job in the 121 world, there are positives and negatives to the corporate world.


clipperskipper
01-03-2011, 09:34 AM
It happens in gumment too, most of the positions on USA jobs, contrary to what you want to believe, are already wired. There was an exception a couple of weeks ago where TSA hired three surface inspectors off of the street, one was even given a supervisory position. None of them had a clue, not even CFR 49 and the entire office is up in arms, figuring they had a pretty good gouge to get through the selecting official.

NowCorporate
01-03-2011, 03:37 PM
You weren't a helpless victim. You had a shot. Someone beat you out.

Dont beat yourself up, just think of it as good experience and move on.

Having done interviews at small and large departments (2 pilot to Fortune 5) I can tell you that YES - there are a few favorites that come from internal rec's, but rest assured nobody is wasting your time (or theirs)

More than a few times the postion had favorites but a fairly unknown candidate came in and really excelled during the process (attitude) and they got the job over the over-confident buddy buddy internal rec's. The desire to hire the right person is why we had multiple interviews and a sim session. Its painfully time consuming for the department, but many think its worth it. After a few years of doing this, I'm not sure...I honestly just think you have no idea what you hired until a year later.

Anyhow - dont believe anything they tell you (if they say anything) you will never know why you were not hired. Dont even try to analyze it.

As far as the costs..it really should be a one time thing and not much you can do about it. Pick the places you want to work carefully and it will be well worth it.

Also - if you really liked this company...DO BE SURE you stay in touch every 6 months or so. More than a few people have been beaten out on round one only to have another opening come up a year or two later and the fact that they kept in touch in a non-intrusive way went a LONG way, and to a few, a job offer without further interviews.

Good Luck!

UCLAbruins
01-03-2011, 03:55 PM
didnt get the job .

I was told during the last interview 500 folks applied, 100 were given an initial screening/technical interview and 12 were selected for the final interview.

I made it to the final 12

Well, I got the bad news a couple weeks later and was told that they went with someone that they already knew and had experience with. I obviously was VERY cordial and thanked them for their time and respectfully requested they keep my info on file for any future opening, said good-bye and hung up.

Then I got a little frustrated after hanging up, not so much that I lost the job but that I spent close to $300 in logbook prep/printing, resume prep, interview presentation packets, etc... to lose the position to what sounded like a predetermined candidate.

So a quick question for my corporate pilot sages as a pilot moving from a 121 career trying to get into corporate flying Im a little confused, is this normal for a company go through the laborious HR interviewing process, i.e. interviewing multiple candidates over a period of months to still just hire a predetermined pilot (to meet a legal requirement?) or did I really have a shot?

People have great interviews and not get the job. It happens everywhere, and it happens all the time. The airlines are no better

You said 2 corporate flight departments interviewed you? which, where, to fly what? what do you fly at present?? (ignore my question if I'm getting too personal). kudos to you If you're at a commuter and you got two calls from corporate flight departments.

BigMike
01-03-2011, 07:25 PM
You weren't a helpless victim. You had a shot. Someone beat you out.

Dont beat yourself up, just think of it as good experience and move on.

Having done interviews at small and large departments (2 pilot to Fortune 5) I can tell you that YES - there are a few favorites that come from internal rec's, but rest assured nobody is wasting your time (or theirs)

More than a few times the postion had favorites but a fairly unknown candidate came in and really excelled during the process (attitude) and they got the job over the over-confident buddy buddy internal rec's. The desire to hire the right person is why we had multiple interviews and a sim session. Its painfully time consuming for the department, but many think its worth it. After a few years of doing this, I'm not sure...I honestly just think you have no idea what you hired until a year later.

Anyhow - dont believe anything they tell you (if they say anything) you will never know why you were not hired. Dont even try to analyze it.

As far as the costs..it really should be a one time thing and not much you can do about it. Pick the places you want to work carefully and it will be well worth it.

Also - if you really liked this company...DO BE SURE you stay in touch every 6 months or so. More than a few people have been beaten out on round one only to have another opening come up a year or two later and the fact that they kept in touch in a non-intrusive way went a LONG way, and to a few, a job offer without further interviews.

Good Luck!
Everything he said. Every Thing.

featheredprop
01-03-2011, 07:45 PM
I agree with this ...

"It happens in gumment too, most of the positions on USA jobs, contrary to what you want to believe, are already wired. " I know someone at a major phama company they have to advertise positions by law even though they have a candidate lined up ..

USMCFLYR
01-03-2011, 07:55 PM
It happens in gumment too, most of the positions on USA jobs, contrary to what you want to believe, are already wired. There was an exception a couple of weeks ago where TSA hired three surface inspectors off of the street, one was even given a supervisory position. None of them had a clue, not even CFR 49 and the entire office is up in arms, figuring they had a pretty good gouge to get through the selecting official.
This was a huge worry for me since I was putting an awful lot of my eggs into one basket at one time. It did happen for a position higher than the one I was going for though. The job was listed on USAJOBS, but there was already an interim in place and I knew from internal sources that he was going to stay in the job.

USMCFLYR

mcdozer
01-03-2011, 07:57 PM
Folks thanks for the insight/info into understanding this somewhat frustrating experience.

UCLA I had two interviews with one department. It was for Krogers Falcon 50s in CVG. Currently Im flying both in the military and CL-700/900s.

AKASHA
01-04-2011, 02:27 AM
Don't be discouraged. I do find the lengthy interview process a bit odd. They probably did have their guy. But you didn't waste your time at all. You prepared yourself and gave it your all. Thats never a waste of time.

grimmdj
01-04-2011, 04:27 AM
Same thing happened here. Two years later I got the job.
Stay in touch and don't take it personal.
Dave

Frozen Ronin
01-23-2011, 01:40 PM
One never knows. My two favorite jobs were obtained two totally different ways. One was a cold call followed by a 3k mile trip to shake hands and walk the dock. An offer was presented and I was off and running! That was flying Beavers and Otters on floats. The other job took 3 years of resume dropping with an internal rec, followed by an all day interview. 10 person roundtable q/a session included. Took them months from start to finish before I was hired. Quite a difference.

If there's an equation out there, I don't know it. If you've got it figured out, pass it on down the line! Right now is extremely tough. Hang in there, that's headed for a course reversal. Soon, those that fought for their jobs will watch in amazement as jobs are given to those with a cert and a heartbeat.

Good luck to all!

clipperskipper
01-23-2011, 02:00 PM
That's great I'm always happy to see someone succeed. It's amazing how much is going on
there right now, I've got two going myself. One DO I met said just show up for indoc, I
meet with another DO tomorrow. So much for the formal interview process.

FlyJSH
01-23-2011, 03:19 PM
What I have seen at interviews with small flight departments, personality has a TON to do with getting hired. Unlike 121 where I only have to deal with a guy for a month, in many corp gigs, two pilots will spend more time together than they do with their spouses.

FlyerJosh
01-24-2011, 07:22 AM
If the company spent money to bring you in, interview you, take their personnel's time, etc, then I would say that you had a legit shot at the job and were beat out by another candidate.

Companies that post jobs and then hire inside candidates or that have chosen who they plan to hire generally don't waste time conducting interviews on other people other than the "preselected" individual. In that case, the job is theirs to lose and most other people only get as far as submitting an application.

My record for a rejection was 7 minutes once from the time I applied to the time I got the "thank you but this position was filled by a more qualified candidate" email. That type of response tells me that the company already had somebody in mind.

Climbto450
01-24-2011, 07:52 AM
It is amazing how different every flight departments hiring practices are. First of all, In my 15 years as a corporate pilot I have never been asked to bring in a log book or show any evidence other then a resume of flight time. Second, just like the airlines internal recomendations tend to weight heavily on the outcome of corporate jobs. Most of my corporate jobs I never even applied for they were strickly connections and word of mouth that got me the interviews or jobs. Third, most of the time corporate employers know who they want to hire before they even begin the process of interviewing various pilot canidates but they feel it is there due dilagence to give other people a chance (no matter how small the chance is), this way the employer feels like "they did the right things". Good Luck to all...

ImperialxRat
01-26-2011, 07:53 AM
It is amazing how different every flight departments hiring practices are. First of all, In my 15 years as a corporate pilot I have never been asked to bring in a log book or show any evidence other then a resume of flight time. Second, just like the airlines internal recomendations tend to weight heavily on the outcome of corporate jobs. Most of my corporate jobs I never even applied for they were strickly connections and word of mouth that got me the interviews or jobs. Third, most of the time corporate employers know who they want to hire before they even begin the process of interviewing various pilot canidates but they feel it is there due dilagence to give other people a chance (no matter how small the chance is), this way the employer feels like "they did the right things". Good Luck to all...

I brought my logbook to a 135 interview thinking they would want to see it... I ended up carrying it around the entire time (and I felt pretty silly).

maddogbjb68
01-28-2011, 09:07 PM
Yes. This is mormal.

900expilot
01-29-2011, 11:24 AM
Folks thanks for the insight/info into understanding this somewhat frustrating experience.

UCLA I had two interviews with one department. It was for Krogers Falcon 50s in CVG. Currently Im flying both in the military and CL-700/900s.


Unlike the airlines, most corporate flight departments don't carry enough pilots to cover military leaves, weekend drills, etc.

ukcats
02-13-2011, 04:28 AM
At least you got the interview. I cannot get Kroger to even acknowledge my resume or applications.

windrider
02-14-2011, 01:33 PM
He's right...I've been through it also. Sucks to get your hopes up but this is very common in the corporate world. They have to post it, they have to interview various people to meet their company guidelines but when it comes down to it, usually those positions are already met by someone who had an inside track.