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Geterdone
06-02-2011, 01:26 PM
Looking for a some sample schedules for a 747/777 captain/FO, senior or junior. Don't even care if it's Delta. Thanks!


d3c0y
06-02-2011, 01:49 PM
Captain / FO, Senior / Junior, you do realize that is a huge variety of schedule

Geterdone
06-02-2011, 05:01 PM
Sure, but that's why I asked for sample schedules, not typical schedules. All I can find on the forum are schedules for the RJ's, new pilots, etc. I am looking for some idea of what schedules are like when I finally "make it", some examples of the big trips, international, etc. I figure by the time you're flying the 747/777, you'll have a schedule I'm interested in, regardless of your status on that plane. :)


JungleBus
06-02-2011, 10:07 PM
Assuming you make it that far, and that's assuming a fair amount, it'll be a small enough percentage of your career that you should really disregard it when deciding whether an aviation career is worthwhile. Quoting salary and schedule "once you make it" is a ploy of the flight training industry and others with something to sell. Your salary and schedule in the years you could really use a good salary and schedule - early marriage, raising your kids - is what you should really be investigating. Unfortunately until some things change in this industry, what you'll find isn't particularly encouraging.

80ktsClamp
06-02-2011, 10:33 PM
DAL 777 trips are typically 2 VERY long legs and 3-6 days on average.

747 trips are typically 8-11 days with a few 3-6 days.

asher888
06-02-2011, 10:50 PM
Doubtful you would think you "made it" if you saw my schedule. We fly 747's and 777's. 20 days on in a row, 40 if they are put back to back (not hard to figure out who i fly for now), 30% or more below industry standard, be careful what you ask for...

Timbo
06-03-2011, 03:51 AM
Sure, but that's why I asked for sample schedules, not typical schedules. All I can find on the forum are schedules for the RJ's, new pilots, etc. I am looking for some idea of what schedules are like when I finally "make it", some examples of the big trips, international, etc. I figure by the time you're flying the 747/777, you'll have a schedule I'm interested in, regardless of your status on that plane. :)


"I asked for sample schedules, not typical schedules."

Is there a difference? What is your point? The trips are all over the map, from one day turns to 12 days in and out of Tokyo to all over Asia. Even at Delta our trip bidding system allows us to build what ever type of schedule we want, depending on seniority of course. And by the time you make it, it will have changed anyway, so what info are you really after?

IQuitEagle
06-03-2011, 06:35 AM
"I asked for sample schedules, not typical schedules."

Is there a difference? What is your point? The trips are all over the map, from one day turns to 12 days in and out of Tokyo to all over Asia. Even at Delta our trip bidding system allows us to build what ever type of schedule we want, depending on seniority of course. And by the time you make it, it will have changed anyway, so what info are you really after?

Why the harshness? The guy asked a question to find out information. Not everyone was born knowing all about the airline business and lifestyle. Would you say what you said above to a 10 year old kid that came to your cockpit and asked the same question? C'mon.

Timbo
06-03-2011, 06:42 AM
My response was not meant to be harsh, I was just trying to figure out exactly what he want's to know. There is no "Typical" or "Sample" schedule, everyone bids differently and gets what ever the computer throws at them. As I explained, there is any mix of 1-12 day trips, some even longer.

And are there any 10 year old kids here? In that case, cue the Barny Music...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsKO_r76kfQ

And what did he mean by, "...don't even care if it's Delta."??

Jesse
06-03-2011, 06:49 AM
nevermind.

Timbo
06-03-2011, 06:51 AM
Unfortunately, the lesson here is after being in the business long enough to hold this category this is one type of pilot you'll find yourself flying with more than you did earlier in your career: narcissistic and ready to demean others when given the chance.


Please point out the demeaning part in my reply.

The only part I saw that might have been demeaning was his; "...don't even care if it's Delta."

:p

Sniper
06-03-2011, 07:41 AM
Looking for a some sample schedules for a 747/777 captain/FO, senior or junior.

This thread here (http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/major/59761-what-your-airlines-policy-3-man-crews.html) gives you a good idea of schedules, actually, as well as how the heavy flying is done @ Delta, United, and American, as well as a non-sked.

Geterdone
06-03-2011, 05:28 PM
By sample schedule I mean what did you fly last week, last month, etc. I figure if I can get a couple of them to shed some light on a recent trip they've had, that's a sample. And by 'don't care if it's Delta' I meant if your a 747 pilot for another airline, I'm interested as well. I guess I'm not up on the whole forum thing where people without any information give information any ways. Good info 80ktsClamp, Sniper. Thanks.

Timbo
06-03-2011, 06:23 PM
Last week I was on vacation, I went to my daughter's graduation. The week before that I was off. The week before that I flew a 29:20 five day ATL-Dubai trip, one leg over, one leg back, 48 hour layover. The week before that I did the same. Next week I'm doing it again. And in two weeks, again. And again some more, into July.

Our bidding system limits the amount you can be initially scheduled in the bid awards to somewhere between 67 and 82 hours. For most of our 777 trips that means two and a half 4, 5 or 6 day trips per month, with the other half trip spilling over to the next month to keep you below 82 for the month. That usually means working about 12-14 days per month.

There are a few longer trips worth more time, like the 6 day Sydney worth 38, two of those gets you 76 hours in 12 days, 4 of which you should not even show up if you live on the west coast, because they are scheduled as deadheads to/from LAX-ATL to get into possition to fly LAX-SYD. I did 3 of those in January-Feb.

The really senior guys usually bid the 3 day ATL-Tokyo trip, worth 27:00, three per month=81 hours for 9 days of "work". But think about this, each of those 3 day trips has a 24hr. layover in NRT...so really you are only 'working' (flying) 2 of the 3 days.

And since it's over 12 hours both ways, there are 4 pilots, (two Capt.s, two F/O's) so you are going to be in the bunk -half- the flight, both ways...so...really, on that 3 day trip, you are actually "working" only about 1 day. The other time you are in the bunk or on the layover. So, if you can hold it, seniority wise, you are really only working 3 days per month, for 81 hours. That's what I used to tell my MD-88 buddies. And that's why it's senior. I flew it for two years straight when I was a senior F/O on the MD-11, 13 years ago. If I never drink another Asahi I'll be happy.

The Junior guys have to fly to Lagos every week and risk bodily harm or malaria, that's why it's junior.

The 747 guys fly a lot of longer trips, 10-14 days, starting in DTW they go to NRT and then in and out of Tokyo to all over Asia. Those longer trips pay more time so they only do 1 or 1 1/2 trip per month. I don't like to be away from home more than about 5 days at a shot so even though they just built some 10 day trips for the 777, (ATL-NRT-LAX-HND-LAX-HND-dh to NRT-ATL) I won't bid them. I'll be going back to Dubai or Joburg or Tel Aviv or Sydney instead.

What "light" do you want shed on a recent trip? You want to know where the best bars are in Sydney? Or the cheapest hookers in Singapore? Or both?

SD3FR8DOG
06-03-2011, 07:07 PM
How long does it take to hold the 777 @ Delta?

Timbo
06-03-2011, 07:18 PM
In which seat? Left seat, I'm guessing about 20 years to be at the very bottom, sitting reserve, never flying, except to Lagos on Christmas, New Years and July 4th.

Right seat, I'm not sure who the junior guy is or when he was hired, I could look it up but it would take me about 3 beers, and by then I'll be in bed.

80ktsClamp
06-03-2011, 07:36 PM
In which seat? Left seat, I'm guessing about 20 years to be at the very bottom, sitting reserve, never flying, except to Lagos on Christmas, New Years and July 4th.

Right seat, I'm not sure who the junior guy is or when he was hired, I could look it up but it would take me about 3 beers, and by then I'll be in bed.

Junior 777 FO is a mid 2000 DL hire, which equates to a mid-late 1999 NW hire.

747 FO has being going almost 1000 #'s junior to the 777 FO.

Timbo
06-03-2011, 08:51 PM
Well I just looked it up, the bottom DAL 777 Capt. was hired June 9, 1988. So that's almost exactly 23 years ago and I'm willing to bet if there are any wide body displacements in this upcomming bid, he may be bounced off it, depending on who gets displaced and what, if anything, comes into ATL. (A330 time is the rumor, at the loss of 767-400 time)

So there you go.

Sliceback
06-03-2011, 09:21 PM
None DL 777 schedules -

2 day trips to Europe. 3 day trips to Europe. Typically 4-5 in the month, depending upon your crew base(East Coast does 5, bases farther west do 4).

4 day trips to South America. Typically do three of them and a Europe trip.

3 day Asia trips. Do two of those and a Europe trip. Or maybe 3 Asia trips.

Most of the guys holding the 777 lines could be Captain, and the real senior guys could be 767, or even 777 CA's. So by the time guys can hold the 'sweet' 777 trips they have the option of upgrading to Captain on a domestic n/b.

Bluto
06-04-2011, 07:00 AM
Apparently the super premium widebody flying is so good, you get really grumpy when you have to come home and peruse the forums.

tsquare
06-04-2011, 09:34 AM
I figure by the time you're flying the 747/777, you'll have a schedule I'm interested in, regardless of your status on that plane. :)


Just out of curiosity, why do you think that just making it to the 777/747 means that you will have a schedule that would interest you? Junior is junior regardless of the category. I am junior on the 767, and my QOL is little different than that of a junior whale driver or a junior M88 guy. Reserve is reserve. Other than how the category is manned, there is little difference... It sounds more to me like you have shiny big jet syndrome...

So.. to answer your question, 777/747 typically fly multi day, long haul trips. 767ER typicly flies multi day, long haul trips (actually it is closer to the same type of trips that the 747 flies here.. just slightly shorter on the long end.. The 747 fills the gap between the 7ER and 777 in terms of length of trips) The 777 is ultra long haul, but not a super premium airplane... sorry, couldn't resist that..

hockeypilot44
06-04-2011, 11:24 AM
Just out of curiosity, why do you think that just making it to the 777/747 means that you will have a schedule that would interest you? Junior is junior regardless of the category. I am junior on the 767, and my QOL is little different than that of a junior whale driver or a junior M88 guy. Reserve is reserve. Other than how the category is manned, there is little difference... It sounds more to me like you have shiny big jet syndrome...

So.. to answer your question, 777/747 typically fly multi day, long haul trips. 767ER typicly flies multi day, long haul trips (actually it is closer to the same type of trips that the 747 flies here.. just slightly shorter on the long end.. The 747 fills the gap between the 7ER and 777 in terms of length of trips) The 777 is ultra long haul, but not a super premium airplane... sorry, couldn't resist that..

The 747, 777, 330, and 767-400 are the super premium airplanes. I base this on the fact that there is a huge gap in pay between them and the narrow-bodies.

80ktsClamp
06-04-2011, 12:08 PM
The 747, 777, 330, and 767-400 are the super premium airplanes. I base this on the fact that there is a huge gap in pay between them and the narrow-bodies.

Then where are the premiums? We'll have to ask the FNW merger committee guys to figure that one out. :D



hint: the 744 was only argued as "super premium," and the 777 and 330 were argued as "premium" from what I remember. I don't miss that circus.

johnso29
06-04-2011, 03:34 PM
Doubtful you would think you "made it" if you saw my schedule. We fly 747's and 777's. 20 days on in a row, 40 if they are put back to back (not hard to figure out who i fly for now), 30% or more below industry standard, be careful what you ask for...

I think that's why the OP asked for DELTA schedules. ;)

dojetdriver
06-04-2011, 03:36 PM
It sounds more to me like you have shiny big jet syndrome...

In this case, maybe it's HJS. Heavy Jet Syndrome.

tsquare
06-04-2011, 05:59 PM
In this case, maybe it's HJS. Heavy Jet Syndrome.

Could be I guess. What I have found interesting is that the bigger the jet, the less you fly it. 777 guys seem to regularly go to the sim for landing currency (If I am talking out of school here I am sure someone will correct me) Before the -ER category got domesticated, FOs were always looking at the 90 day warning.. I was just saying that it isn't what it appears to be. That is why I have little interest in anything bigger than the 75/76...