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N9373M
08-04-2011, 01:31 AM
My father passed in 1989 and was buried in the National Cemetery in Beaufort, SC. He was in Marine Corps (VMFA 251) ordinance and retired as a Captain. He served in Korea and Vietnam. At the end of the funeral, 2 or 3 FA-18's passed high (5-8K) overhead in single file - no missing man formation.

Was this over flight a coincidence? Just curious what criterion are required for an official fly over, and would the formation be different based on his MOS?

BTW - every time they bury Bull Meecham at the same cemetery in "The Great Santini" I tear up.

Thanks!


N9373M
08-04-2011, 01:39 AM
May I arrange for a flyover of military planes in
honor of my deceased family member?

A. Military flyover for Marines is reserved solely for
the funeral ceremony of a deceased active duty pilot who
died in an aviation-related incident.

USMCFLYR
08-04-2011, 03:38 AM
All that I have ever done have been for deceased fliers.
Single file up at 5-8k is no formation that I have ever participated in or witnessed for fly-overs (especially in Beaufort). Unless you are telling me that you know this fly-over was specifically arrainged for your father, I'm wondering if you happen to see regular operations coming into/ or leaving MCAS Beaufort.

It seems that this reference agrees with what your Google search showed:
Q: May I arrange for a flyover of military planes in
honor of my deceased family member?
A. Military flyover for Marines is reserved solely for
the funeral ceremony of a deceased active duty pilot who
died in an aviation-related incident.

This came from a document that should help you with any questions. It was produced by the MCCS/Tri-Comand right out of Beaufort.

http://www.mccshh.com/pdf/Military_Funeral_Honors_Guide.pdf

USMCFLYR


N9373M
08-04-2011, 03:49 AM
It must have been a coincidence. I did look up and smile though......

Thanks for the research and info!

USMCFLYR
08-04-2011, 04:36 AM
It must have been a coincidence. I did look up and smile though......

Thanks for the research and info!
As it should 73M.
I've often thought of the NMC in Beaufort myself.
I hope you get to go there some and visit.

USMCFLYR

Grumble
08-04-2011, 11:33 AM
Sorry, but no an O-3 doesn't rate. There is a strict set of standards of what ranks/awards rate what type of fly over if any. Must be approved by Commander Naval Air Forces. Whoever answered that question doesn't know what they're talking about.

Case in point, a good PAO friend of mine tried to get a short notice funeral flyover for a CMH awardee. E-6, KIA in Afghanistan. Couldn't do it. Flag officer however will get a complete 4-ship missing man, even if they drove a desk for 30 years.

You can try calling COMNAFAIRFOR in San Diego and ask, but I can tell you the answer. Sorry.

USMCFLYR
08-04-2011, 12:13 PM
Sorry, but no an O-3 doesn't rate. There is a strict set of standards of what ranks/awards rate what type of fly over if any. Must be approved by Commander Naval Air Forces. Whoever answered that question doesn't know what they're talking about.

Case in point, a good PAO friend of mine tried to get a short notice funeral flyover for a CMH awardee. E-6, KIA in Afghanistan. Couldn't do it. Flag officer however will get a complete 4-ship missing man, even if they drove a desk for 30 years.

You can try calling COMNAFAIRFOR in San Diego and ask, but I can tell you the answer. Sorry.
Wait Grumble....are you saying an active duty 0-3 or below for instance would not rate a military fly-over at the funeral?
If you are talking about the link that I provided as the person who answered doesn't know what they are talking about, well that was published by the military community.

USMCFLYR

N9373M
08-04-2011, 12:24 PM
My question was answered - it was just a happy coincidence - a sign from god if you will.

The pdf link USMCFLYR posted mentions a flyover for any marine aviator killed in an aviation related accident - it makes no mention of rank.

Here's the answer verbatim:

Military flyover for Marines is reserved solely for
the funeral ceremony of a deceased active duty pilot who
died in an aviation-related incident.

No further digging needed - I was just wondering if it was planned or dumb luck.

Thanks to all.

BDGERJMN
08-04-2011, 05:49 PM
Sorry, but no an O-3 doesn't rate. There is a strict set of standards of what ranks/awards rate what type of fly over if any. Must be approved by Commander Naval Air Forces. Whoever answered that question doesn't know what they're talking about.

Case in point, a good PAO friend of mine tried to get a short notice funeral flyover for a CMH awardee. E-6, KIA in Afghanistan. Couldn't do it. Flag officer however will get a complete 4-ship missing man, even if they drove a desk for 30 years.

You can try calling COMNAFAIRFOR in San Diego and ask, but I can tell you the answer. Sorry.


Grumble you're mistaken. Case in point, LT Nathan "OJ" White was laid to rest in Arlington National Ceremony with full honors and a missing man formation by former Chippies from VFA-195. The jets were from NAS Oceana. He was shot down over Iraq on the night of April 2nd, 2003. I know because I flew with OJ that morning.

USMCFLYR
08-04-2011, 08:11 PM
We had a fly-over for a 1stLt RP killed in a training mishap at NAS Lemoore in mid-2006.

USMCFLYR

N9373M
08-05-2011, 02:15 AM
Could the rank requirement be a Navy vs Marine Corps thing?