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Thread title is misleading.....

The 50 x/c hours required by 61.65.........does the FAA want 50 hours of time while acting as the pic, or simply logged pic time?


Reason I ask?

My current opinion/understanding is the Student can log pic while on ifr flight plan/imc, but he can not act as the pic..... If the student intends to use logged pic time accrued while on a flight plan/imc towards the 50 hour requirement it would be important to know if the FAA wants 50 hours of time while u are acting as the pic or simply logged pic time.

If anyone is going to use the "AS" in the "must have logged 50 hrs x/c time AS pilot in command towards an opinion that it must be time while acting as the pic, I would argue that the FAA references "acting as pilot in command" when they talk about carrying passengers or flight reviews or instrument currency and the absence of that phraseology in 61.65 would lead me to believe they simply want logged pic time not necessarily time that u acted as the pic.

All FAA requirements involve time logged per 61.51.

That's the whole idea of logging: meeting FAA requirements for certificates, ratings and currency.

The student can log PIC under a IFR flight plan provided its done while in VFR condidtions (hood time), however when IMC is encountered, the CFII will get the PIC time. Correct me if I am wrong.

The student can log PIC under a IFR flight plan provided its done while in VFR condidtions (hood time), however when IMC is encountered, the CFII will get the PIC time. Correct me if I am wrong.You are correct. The CFII logs ALL the time as PIC. But the student can log PIC time as long as you are not in IMC.

You are correct. The CFII logs ALL the time as PIC. But the student can log PIC time as long as you are not in IMC.

I disagree. A certificated student can log all flight time as PIC for an aircraft in which he is appropriately rated. The student, without an instrument rating cannot act as PIC, but he can log PIC as the sole manipulator of the controls.

I disagree. A certificated student can log all flight time as PIC for an aircraft in which he is appropriately rated. The student, without an instrument rating cannot act as PIC, but he can log PIC as the sole manipulator of the controls.

Correct, as long as he is rated in the aircraft.

And this includes IMC even though the student does not have an instrument rating (assuming the flight is legal, ie there is a CFII or CFI on board).

He is logging sole-manipulator PIC but that's fine for FAA ratings.

You know.........oh, never mind. I'm not going to even get into this one. Old school, for PRACTICALITY's sake.

Rick and Pokey are absolutely correct. FAA Chief Counsel said so in 1980 and consistently ever since.