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TPA EXTENSION APPROVED BY CAL MEC, UAL MEC
At the special meeting today in Herndon, the CAL MEC approved the Transition and Process Agreement (TPA) Extension LOA in an unanimous vote. The LOA was also approved by the UAL MEC in a separate special MEC meeting held today. A publication is being prepared that will provide an overview of the provisions that were extended via the LOA and what they mean for pilots. It is being finalized and will be released later this week.

AGREEMENT between
CONTINENTAL AIRLINES, INC., UNITED CONTINENTAL HOLDINGS, INC.,
AND UNITED AIR LINES, INC.,
and the
PILOTS
in the service of
CONTINENTAL AIRLINES, INC. AND UNITED AIR LINES, INC. as represented by
THE AIR LINE PILOTS ASSOCIATION _________________________________________ TRANSITION AND PROCESS EXTENSION AGREEMENT _________________________________________
Whereas, CONTINENTAL AIRLINES, INC., UAL CORPORATION (currently UNITED CONTINENTAL HOLDINGS, INC.), UNITED AIR LINES, INC., and the AIRLINE PILOTS in the service of CONTINENTAL AIRLINES, INC. and UNITED AIR LINES, INC, respectively, as represented by the AIR LINE PILOTS ASSOCIATION by and through the ALPA Master Executive Councils of the Continental and United Pilots (collectively, the “Parties”) entered into a TRANSITION and PROCESS AGREEMENT (the “TPA”) effective September 26, 2010, and
Whereas, the parties desire to amend and modify the TPA as provided herein,
Now, therefore, the Parties hereby agree as follows:
The following terms and conditions of the TPA are extended and modified to facilitate continued transition to a Joint Collective Bargaining Agreement (‘JCBA’) and the Complete Operational Merger. Except as referenced herein, all other terms and conditions of the TPA remain in full force and effect.
1. Section 13 (A) of the TPA shall be modified to read as follows:
Unless the Parties agree otherwise, the Airline Parties may jointly terminate the provisions of Sections 4-D (Domiciles), 7-A (Furlough with regard to S- UA Pilots only), 7-C (Flying Ratios), 7-D (Domicile and Base Protection), and 9 (ALPA Travel), individually or collectively, at any time on or after March 31, 2013, if the parties have not reached a tentative agreement on a JCBA by that date. Should the Company elect to terminate TPA Section 4- D pursuant to this paragraph, Paragraph 4 of this Extension Agreement shall also be terminated, effective on the same date that TPA Section 4-D is terminated.

2. On the effective date of this Extension Agreement, the August 18, 2010 Letter of Agreement providing for expense reimbursement to ALPA is hereby modified to change Paragraphs 5-a & f to read “$13 million” rather than “$10 million,” provided that there shall be no retroactive payments. Effective March 16, 2012, the TPA Section 2-D is modified by replacing “Denver” with “Chicago.” Effective October 1, 2012, Section 2-D is modified to provide that the JNCs will meet at any agreed location, or if none is agreed, at a location designated by the National Mediation Board.
3. TPA Section 4-D limiting establishment of new Domiciles or Bases is modified as follows:
a. Continental (“S-CO”) may open B-737/B-756 Bases in DEN, and/or SFO and/or ORD, subject to the requirements of Paragraphs 3-c and 4 below .
b. United (“S-UA”) may open A-320/B-756 Domiciles in IAH, subject to the requirements of Paragraphs 3-c and 4 below.
c. S-CO ORD/DEN/SFO B-737/B-756 BESs and S-UA IAH A- 320/B-756 Categories shall be staffed by volunteers and through TDY/Special Assignment provisions (as set forth below) until a JCBA has been ratified. (Note: New Bases/Domiciles may initially be heavily skewed toward reserve positions.)
i. S-UA IAH A-320/B-756 will be staffed first by incremental Vacancy Bids. If there are insufficient bidders on the Vacancy Bids, then by volunteers using the existing S-UA TDY system. If there are still insufficient pilots to staff the S-UA IAH A-320/B-756 Categories, then involuntary TDY as described below will be used to secure the remaining staff.
ii. S-CO ORD/DEN/SFO B-737/B-756 BESs will be staffed first by System Bids. If there are insufficient bidders on the System Bids, then by temporary Special Assignments, using S-CO CBA Section 24, Part 8.D (voluntary Special Assignments). If there are still insufficient pilots to staff the ORD/DEN/SFO B-737/ B-756 BESs, then using S-CO CBA Section 24, Part 8.C (involuntary Special Assignments).
4. TDY/Special Assignment at the Bases/Domiciles named above will be subject to the provisions of the S-UA and S-CO CBAs, except that:
a. There will be no involuntary permanent assignments to the S-CO ORD/DEN/SFO B-737/756 Bases or the S-UA IAH A-320/B-756 Domiciles.
b. The Section 24, Part 8.B, 4 in 6 restriction in the S-CO CBA shall not be applicable.

c. Pilots may bid voluntary TDY/Special Assignment for blocks of 1, 2, or 3-months duration. Pilots volunteering for three month blocks will have priority over Pilots volunteering for one or two month blocks, and Pilots volunteering for two month blocks will have priority over those volunteering for one month blocks. Pilots will be selected and awarded voluntary TDY in seniority order from other volunteers with similar availability.
d. Involuntary TDY will be assigned in one month blocks, and no pilot will be assigned involuntary TDY more than two months in the previous 12 months. Two consecutive months will be permitted if the pilot is junior in both months, provided that the two in twelve restriction is not violated. (Sections 8-L-2 through 8-L-5 of the S- UA CBA do not apply.)
i. S-UA pilots in a Category will be assigned involuntary TDY in reverse seniority order before monthly preferencing, and will preference and be awarded schedules based on seniority at the TDY Domicile.
e. No pilots will be assigned involuntary TDY if there are volunteers in such Base/Domicile, regardless of the number of months volunteered. That is, on a From-To basis, no pilot will be assigned involuntary TDY until all volunteers are assigned TDY, regardless of the volunteers’ availability or number of months volunteered.
5. TPA Section 4-D is modified to provide that S-CO may operate an LAX B-737 Base without restriction, provided that the number of Pilots assigned to the S-UA LAX Domicile may only decrease as a result of attrition at the Domicile.

I'm thinking item No. 5 is going to be a biggy.

February 27, 2012

Dear Fellow Pilots:

Today, the UAL-MEC met in Rosemont, Ill., to review, ask questions, debate, consider and ratify an extension to the Transition and Process Agreement (TPA). That extension is attached to this message. While nearly all of the TPA remains in effect, several provisions were terminable under Section 13-A of the TPA after December 31, 2011: Sections 4-D (New domiciles within 150 miles of another’s domiciles), 7-A (Furlough with regard to United pilots only), 7-C (Flying Ratios), 7-D (Domicile Closures), and 9 (Travel for MEC and staff in support of JCBA negotiations). All these provisions were renewed intact until March 31, 2013 with the exception of 4-D.

Without a TPA extension, both United and Continental, in accordance with their respective pilots’ current contracts, were entitled to open domiciles anywhere they chose. At United, staffing would have been accomplished by vacancy bids with possible bumps and surpluses to move pilots to where the company wanted them. In light of this, we concentrated our efforts on areas where we could minimize any negative impact on our pilots. We were able to secure limits on the number of new domiciles and aircraft types, and an agreement to staff any new domiciles without bumps or surpluses. The SSC and Communications Committee will provide additional details by the end of this week.

As I mentioned in an earlier communication, it took far too long for this two-page agreement to be reached. This is merely a Band-Aid on a wound that needs surgery and sutures, i.e., a Joint Collective Bargaining Agreement (JCBA). The company has the potential to do much more with the entire pilot population working together under one contract and one seniority list. We are running out of Band-Aids.

We are United,
Chairman, United MEC

I'm thinking item No. 5 is going to be a biggy.

I think sec 2.c....
How are the reserves rules on the S-CAL side?

c. S-CO ORD/DEN/SFO B-737/B-756 BESs and S-UA IAH A- 320/B-756 Categories shall be staffed by volunteers and through TDY/Special Assignment provisions (as set forth below) until a JCBA has been ratified. (Note: New Bases/Domiciles may initially be heavily skewed toward reserve positions.)

BOHICA!!!!!!!!!


If it wasn't such a bad joke......you almost could laugh.

Here's what bothers me most about the details:

UCHM was/are going to open 756 bases in IAH and DEN where there are already 756 pilots of the other group! The only win here are for those local CAL who are commuting (DEN). The rest is just pure disregard for the people of the airline.

Let's get a JCBA and fix this.

Here's what bothers me most about the details:

UCHM was/are going to open 756 bases in IAH and DEN where there are already 756 pilots of the other group! The only win here are for those local CAL who are commuting (DEN). The rest is just pure disregard for the people of the airline.

Let's get a JCBA and fix this.

We just gave the company the "synergies" they want for nothing in return.

We just gave the company the "synergies" they want for nothing in return.

UFB ... you are dead right! Not only that, those guys just reduced the Company' expenses by bypassing paid moves for Bumps and surplusses.

I would SERIOUSLY like to know who the hell is negotiating ALL our lives away? It's high time ALL the unions legal departments were given their walking papers. Looks like they work for management anyway. What a joke.

So where is this "mother of all bids" that the company was allegedly chomping at the bit to publish - only being delayed by the ratification of the TPA?

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5. TPA Section 4-D is modified to provide that S-CO may operate an LAX B-737 Base without restriction, provided that the number of Pilots assigned to the S-UA LAX Domicile may only decrease as a result of attrition at the Domicile.


I'm thinking item No. 5 is going to be a biggy.


Time will tell. From what I understand, the CLE base has still been doing the Hilo stuff and IAH and CLE guys have been doing that GDL and BJX Mexico stuff. Results in unproductive trips because LAX pilots are restricted from doing this. If all it does is consolidate those flights to LAX I'm not sure it will be that bad. HOWEVER, something tells me that opens up a whole lot of other routes the company would like to do with those pilots (I believe KOA has a scheduled 737 somewhere in the coming months?).

Time will tell. From what I understand, the CLE base has still been doing the Hilo stuff and IAH and CLE guys have been doing that GDL and BJX Mexico stuff. Results in unproductive trips because LAX pilots are restricted from doing this. If all it does is consolidate those flights to LAX I'm not sure it will be that bad. HOWEVER, something tells me that opens up a whole lot of other routes the company would like to do with those pilots (I believe KOA has a scheduled 737 somewhere in the coming months?).

Actually, as a Newark based Ca I was the poster child for the SFO - GDL runs and find my way out to the islands at least once a quarter. I think they are just way too short on staffing and I can't imagine how they are going to staff this bid without raping the reserves more than they all ready are.

Actually, as a Newark based Ca I was the poster child for the SFO - GDL runs and find my way out to the islands at least once a quarter. I think they are just way too short on staffing and I can't imagine how they are going to staff this bid without raping the reserves more than they all ready are.

IAH 737 FO lines were 12 days off up to about 50% for March. Can't get much worse than this for productivity.

Time will tell. From what I understand, the CLE base has still been doing the Hilo stuff and IAH and CLE guys have been doing that GDL and BJX Mexico stuff. Results in unproductive trips because LAX pilots are restricted from doing this. If all it does is consolidate those flights to LAX I'm not sure it will be that bad. HOWEVER, something tells me that opens up a whole lot of other routes the company would like to do with those pilots (I believe KOA has a scheduled 737 somewhere in the coming months?).

Rumor has it that the 737 will replace the 756 on all of the west coast-Hawaii city pairs. TPA 5 makes it easier, if that's the real plan. As an LAX 756 F/O bumped from 737 Cap when the fleet was parked, seeing this happen while unable to bid LAX 737 Cap is very aggravating.

It's past time to motivate management to get the JCBA done.

Is there anything stopping the company from doing any of this without this agreement since the existing TPA has expired?

Rumor has it that the 737 will replace the 756 on all of the west coast-Hawaii city pairs. TPA 5 makes it easier, if that's the real plan. As an LAX 756 F/O bumped from 737 Cap when the fleet was parked, seeing this happen while unable to bid LAX 737 Cap is very aggravating.

It's past time to motivate management to get the JCBA done.

I don't know if this makes it any easier as the company had the rights to do this already.

I think the company's plans to reallocate flying instead of completing a jcba is short sighted and another insult to the pilots (especially the UAL side). The only winners in a reallocation are commuters from opposing hubs. Everyone else, with the exception of wb pilots and Guam crews will be negatively affected by the company's act. I believe the union saw this and did what they could to mitigate damage.

In the end it isn't about commuters, hubs, extending TPAs. It's about a culture of chronic and inexorable wearing down of the employees so that they just give up. Lorenzo started it and although it let up a bit once, it's back with a vengeance now.

In the end it isn't about commuters, hubs, extending TPAs. It's about a culture of chronic and inexorable wearing down of the employees so that just give up. Lorenzo started it and although it let up a bit once, it's back with a vengeance now.

Bingo.

I knew a guy whose father was in upper level management at UAL during the ESOP days and beyond. His dad hated unions to his marrow and loved nothing more than sticking a finger in labors eye every chance he got. It was corp culture to screw the pilots in particular since they owned the majority of the airline. Tilton was this guys wet dream, and now Smisek is following his lead. I believe that screwing us (L-UAL) was part of the plan and they are enjoying it. It will be interesting to see how we, as a combined group stand up for ourselves in the coming months. So far, I'm disappointed in the lack of resolve and anger displayed by some of the troops on both sides of the fence. It's beyond embarrassing. I feel like I'm flying with "The Stepford Pilots".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Stepford_Wives

Same pattern. 1. Beat down pilot group 2. Put out mother of all bids just before substandard TA to soften up beat down pilot group 3. TA passes 55/45. Has worked ever since contract '95.

We just gave the company the "synergies" they want for nothing in return.My thoughts EXACTLY!! Why? Why not tell someone to pound sand and present an INDUSTRY LEADING contract and THEN, and only then, can we talk?????????????????????????

Is there anything stopping the company from doing any of this without this agreement since the existing TPA has expired?


The TPA did not expire. Essentially it was like our contract: amendable. There were terminable portions of the TPA that either side could opt out of by written notice. Until that notice came, ALL PORTIONS OF THE TPA REMAINED IN FULL FORCE.

The company could have simply notified ALPA in writing that it was terminating the provisions having to do with domiciles, flying ratios, furlough protections. Then the company could have done whatever it wanted essentially. While not the greatest outcome for any of us, some protections remain in place as of now.

I don't know if this makes it any easier as the company had the rights to do this already.

I think the company's plans to reallocate flying instead of completing a jcba is short sighted and another insult to the pilots (especially the UAL side). The only winners in a reallocation are commuters from opposing hubs. Everyone else, with the exception of wb pilots and Guam crews will be negatively affected by the company's act. I believe the union saw this and did what they could to mitigate damage.

I think it's easier now with both MEC's stamp of approval on it, less likely to cause an uproar in the ranks. As you and others rightly point out, the company could have done this and more anyway, but would have risked more fallout.

IMO, it's telling that UCH wouldn't agree to make all TPA provisions expire/terminable at JCBA ratification instead of on a future date, assuming ALPA was pushing for that. Maybe their plans don't include a JCBA before, say, next spring. Given that work rules have taken a year and aren't done yet, they could drag out scope and pay for another year. By which time they'll be enjoying synergies out the wazoo and may have even less motivation to get the JCBA deal done, or even to extend the TPA provisions again. I hope I'm wrong, but every time I think it can't get any worse, it does!

I was in ground school today. G.F. said bid will be out thurs or fri. 100 to 200 openings not sure the actual amount. ORD, DEN, SFO bases with LAX getting bigger. They feel 80% of the openings at those new bases will be filled by people who want to go, the other 20% will be filled with TDY. He said no one will be forced to move.

I was in ground school today. G.F. said bid will be out thurs or fri. 100 to 200 openings not sure the actual amount. ORD, DEN, SFO bases with LAX getting bigger. They feel 80% of the openings at those new bases will be filled by people who want to go, the other 20% will be filled with TDY. He said no one will be forced to move.

Does the CAL contract include paid moves for pilots going to new dom, excuse me, bases, voluntarily and involuntarily?

I'll bet their wet dream is that most of the pilots will make lateral moves in the same fleet/seat so the transition training load won't go through the roof, and also keep the follow-on displacement letters to a minimum.

Does the CAL contract include paid moves for pilots going to new dom, excuse me, bases, voluntarily and involuntarily?

I'll bet their wet dream is that most of the pilots will make lateral moves in the same fleet/seat so the transition training load won't go through the roof, and also keep the follow-on displacement letters to a minimum.


No time to dig out the contract, but I believe for voluntary the only moving expense will be when you are upgrading for the first time. Involuntary moves are paid. Again, without looking into the contract, I'm sure the details suck.

Edit: I found the time, here's the moving section:



Section 6 - Moving Expenses
Part 1 - Definition
1. Base - “Base” means the airport, for purposes of eligibility and distance.
2. Eligible Family Members - “Eligible Family Members” means a spouse or companion
and dependents.
3. Residence - “Residence” means the home where a pilot physically resides on a
permanent basis.
Part 2 - Eligibility
A. A pilot will be eligible for reimbursement of moving expenses for a move to a Base in
which he holds a bid position other than his current Base if:
1. He is displaced to such Base (excluding seniority displacements); or
2. The Base in which he holds a bid position is a "new or reestablished” Base. A
new or reestablished Base is one which has been available for twelve (12)
months or less; or
3. His bid position results from a first time upgrade to Captain and he is unable to
upgrade to Captain in his current Base, or he is unable to hold Captain in his
current Base with a bid more senior than sixty-nine percent (69%), but is able
to hold Captain in his new Base with a bid more senior than sixty-nine percent
(69%).
For Recall Moves, see Section 23, Part 5.F and Part 6.
B. To be eligible for reimbursement:
1. A pilot must change the location of his Residence after he is staffed in his
newly awarded Base, but in no case later than twenty four (24) months after
the effective date of the bid placing the pilot in his new Base, provided,
however, that with written permission of the Vice President of Flight
Operations (“VPFO”) the pilot may move after the award date but before he is
staffed in his new Base. The pilot will not be entitled to paid moving expenses
to another Base should he bid and be awarded such other Base before being
staffed in the Base to which he was moved. However, when a pilot who has not
used his entitlement to a paid move is awarded another Base, he may elect to
use his entitlement to move to the new Base so long as the move occurs within
twenty four (24) months after the effective date of the original award which
entitled him to the paid move. Further, a pilot will not be entitled to a paid
move to a Base for which he no longer holds a bid.
2. A pilot must actually establish his permanent home at his new Residence,
which must be located within a radius of one hundred fifty (150) miles of his
newly awarded Base and fifty (50) miles closer to the airport than his previous
Residence.
Section 6 - Moving Expenses Part 3 - Expenses Paid by the Company
6-2
C. A pilot will forfeit eligibility for moving expenses if:
1. He does not relocate his Residence within the allotted time; or
2. Prior to relocating, he is awarded a position at his former Base; or
3. Prior to relocating, he becomes eligible for relocation benefits again under this
Section; or
4. Prior to relocating, he retires, dies, or is terminated.
Part 3 - Expenses Paid by the Company
A. Actual moving expenses for pilots meeting the eligibility requirements of Part 2 above
will be reimbursed to the pilot upon submission of expense reports with actual receipts
attached. All expense reports must be submitted to the pilot's new Chief Pilot within
sixty (60) days of the completion of the move. Unless prior written permission is
obtained from the VPFO’s office, all paid moves must be performed by a Company
designated vendor.
B. Expenses will be paid for the following:
1. Actual moving expenses for household effects up to a maximum of 18,000
pounds. Moving expenses cover packing, shipping, unpacking, and insurance.
2. Necessary storage of household effects for up to a total of sixty (60) days at
either the origin or destination (or a combination thereof) of the move.
3. Actual reasonable hotel expenses to a maximum of sixty dollars ($60.00) per
night for the pilot and his spouse plus an additional thirty-five dollars ($35.00)
per night for each child, to a maximum of one hundred forty dollars ($140.00)
for four (4) children or more, for each night of travel as allowed in Part 4
below, plus one (1) additional night.
4. Actual meal expenses for the pilot and each member of his immediate family
with a daily limit of thirty dollars ($30.00) per day for the pilot and twenty
dollars ($20.00) per day for each immediate family member for each day of
travel as allowed in Part 4 below plus one (1) additional day.
5. A flat rate of twenty four cents ($.24) per mile or greater as provided by
general corporate policy for each of no more than a total of two (2)
automobiles, for actual driving of a pilot's automobile(s) to his newly awarded
Base by the most direct route (AAA mileage), but not to exceed the mileage
from the pilot's old Base to his new Base plus two hundred twenty-five (225)
miles.
6. On paid moves within the contiguous United States, the shipment of not more
than two (2) automobiles. If two (2) automobiles are shipped, then the pilot
will not receive hotel or meal expense in conjunction with such shipment. If
one (1) automobile is shipped, the pilot will be provided expenses outlined in
Part 3.B.3, 3.B.4 and 3.B.5 above in conjunction with his driving the second
automobile to his new Residence.
Section 6 - Moving Expenses Part 4 - Time Off
6-3
7. On paid moves to or from outside the contiguous United States, shipment of
one (1) automobile by the Company or by a shipper arranged by the Company
at its cost. Additionally, mileage will be paid from original Base to port, in
accordance with Paragraph 5 above, and mileage expense from destination port
to Base.
8. One thousand dollars ($1000) for miscellaneous expenses not otherwise
covered by the provisions of this Section.
Part 4 - Time Off
A. For the purposes of house hunting, a pilot who is eligible for reimbursement of
moving expenses may request up to four (4) continuous Days Off. Days may be taken
in a block or two (2) blocks at pilot’s request. Such days will be unpaid (including
pay for Trips missed), and will be scheduled with the prior approval of Crew
Scheduling.
B. For domestic moves, a pilot who is eligible for reimbursement pursuant to Part 2
above will be given one (1) day travel for each four hundred (400) miles or fraction
thereof (in increments of one hundred [100] miles) from his old Base to his new Base.
For moves between the mainland and Honolulu or Guam, a pilot who is eligible for
reimbursement pursuant to Part 2 above will be given one (1) day of travel for each
four hundred (400) miles or fraction thereof (in increments of one hundred [100]
miles) from his old Base to/from a west coast port (either Los Angeles or San
Francisco), plus one (1) additional day for travel to/from Honolulu, or two (2)
additional days for travel to/from Guam. Additionally, he will be allowed four (4) paid
Days Off in conjunction with the travel days for purposes of packing, unpacking, and
other necessary activities associated with his move. Pay for these four (4) Days Off
will be Trip loss, with RX Days or personal (unpaid) leave days for touching days.
The four (4) paid Days Off may be taken as a block, or may be split into two (2)
blocks at the pilot’s request, however; in either event, the days must be adjacent to the
actual move days from either home or storage. (Note: It is understood that certain
provisions of this Paragraph may be modified by the parties upon implementation of a
Preferential Bidding System [PBS].)
C. A pilot who is transferring Bases and who is moving his Residence to a location
within one hundred fifty (150) miles of his new Base, but who is not eligible for
reimbursement pursuant to Part 2 above will be allowed the same number of moving
Days Off as an eligible pilot. These days will be unpaid (including pay for Trips
missed), and with the prior approval of Crew Scheduling, may be split into two (2)
blocks. The scheduling of moving and travel Day Off for a non-eligible pilot may not
conflict with Holidays as defined in Section 2, and is subject to the same conditions
and restrictions as are provided in Paragraph F below. In addition, any such pilot will
be entitled to two (2) nights in a Company provided hotel in his new Base, to be
arranged through his new Chief Pilot’s Office.
D. A pilot will not be scheduled for any duty during his moving and travel days.
E. A Lineholder pilot who is eligible for reimbursement pursuant to Part 2 above will be
paid for any time lost from his Line as a function of his moving and travel days. A
Section 6 - Moving Expenses Part 5 - Moving General
6-4

Eek! Didn't realize I'd be footing the bill should the furloughee pipe dream du jour, GuamGone2015, come to fruition.

Any Guam based pilots on the board who can SWAG me a rough order of magnitude on the dent that move puts in one's pocket? I'm going to have to treble my can collecting on the side of the road efforts and reconsider the billboard I pass every day on the way to my cubicle that reminds one of the potential $275 a month that's available to be earned selling one's plasma! :p

Nutty McSquirrelAway
Moving Expense Evaluator

Jeff must have offered our J's $14 million,to do with as they please, instead of allowing the system to work and pilots getting paid moves for the bumps. If we keep giving up the store it won't be very long before we have nothing to sell and end up on the streets.