Nimitz
07-11-2012, 06:51 AM
Anybody else wondering why we haven't heard a peep concerning the NMB meetings this week
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LeeMat
07-11-2012, 07:00 AM
Anybody else wondering why we haven't heard a peep concerning the NMB meetings this week
The NMB meets with ALPA today and UCH tomorrow.
The NMB meets with ALPA today and UCH tomorrow.
Nimitz
07-11-2012, 07:04 AM
Was under the impression the meeting was on the 9th, Thank you
dogfood
07-11-2012, 08:01 AM
ALPA was on the 9th, and company was on the 10th.
Kayco
07-11-2012, 08:46 AM
TPA Arbitration was on the 9th and 10th in ORD. NMB today the 11th in DCA.
LeeMat
07-11-2012, 09:03 AM
TPA Arbitration was on the 9th and 10th in ORD. NMB today the 11th in DCA.
TPA arbitration?
TPA arbitration?
Kayco
07-11-2012, 09:11 AM
let me make a call and get details, i'll update then
ewr756drive
07-11-2012, 09:15 AM
I understood, ALPA wed., Company thurs., NMB decision as early as weekend.
LeeMat
07-11-2012, 09:53 AM
I understood, ALPA wed., Company thurs., NMB decision as early as weekend.
That is what I understood as well from the last MEC update.
That is what I understood as well from the last MEC update.
nwa757
07-11-2012, 10:56 AM
Mediator tells pilots, United to keep quiet - Houston Chronicle (http://www.chron.com/business/article/Mediator-tells-pilots-United-to-keep-quiet-3694520.php)
The National Mediation Board has imposed an informal gag order on United Airlines' parent company and its pilots, who have been negotiating a joint contract since soon after United and Continental Airlines announced plans to merge in 2010.
The board, an independent federal agency created to assist the airline and railroad industries with labor-management relations, has been involved in negotiations between United Continental Holdings and the United and Continental chapters of the Air Line Pilots Association since February 2011.
United hasn't reached joint contracts with any of its unionized work groups since merging with Continental. Although the airlines have merged, their flight crews still work separately under different labor contracts.
In mid-May the pilots asked to be released from mediated negotiations and called for a strike vote. In June, they picketed United Continental Holdings' annual shareholder meeting in New York. At the time ALPA leaders also expressed strong hope they would reach a deal with the company by June 15.
But they left New York with only the gag order request from the Mediation Board and plans for the parties to attend individual "status conference" meetings with the board's chairman in Washington this week to figure out the next steps.
Honoring the board's request, neither ALPA nor United would comment Monday. The board itself also declined comment.
But Fred Abbott, United's senior vice president of flight operations, sent a letter to pilots on July 2 - posted to United's negotiations website - expressing hope that things would move forward after this week's meetings.
"I remain hopeful that following our status meeting with the National Mediation Board the week of July 9, we will be able to quickly return to the negotiating table to reach an agreement," Abbott wrote in the letter. "I am well aware that the negotiations to reach a joint collective bargaining agreement have been long and frustrating. While many pilots have moved up in longevity, status and/or larger aircraft over time, many have not received an increase in pay for over 10 years.
"This is unacceptable, and we need to get this fixed, and fixed promptly. I am also aware that your expectations were high that an agreement would be reached in June; we shared those expectations, and are just as disappointed as you. We will continue to work on ways to get to an agreement, and get it promptly."
Deal is close?
Jerry Glass, president of labor and employment law consulting firm F&H Solutions Group, said voluntary or court-imposed gag orders are rare but not unprecedented in labor negotiations. He and others suggested the public silence may indicate that a deal is close - or at least that negotiations have reached a critical stage.
"Obviously they're in an important stage of negotiation and the mediator wants to ensure that there are as few outside distractions as possible," Glass said.
"When communication blackouts go into effect, it's because the parties are serious about trying to reach an agreement and they want to focus their sole attention on negotiations and nothing else," said Glass, a former executive vice president and chief human resources officer for U.S. Airways.
'That final step'
"It might be a sign that they're down to the wire and it's a question of whether or not they could take that final step - or if they're going to do something that could ruin everything. And that's not what the NMB wants to see," said Gary Chaison, a labor studies professor at Clark University.
The National Mediation Board has imposed an informal gag order on United Airlines' parent company and its pilots, who have been negotiating a joint contract since soon after United and Continental Airlines announced plans to merge in 2010.
The board, an independent federal agency created to assist the airline and railroad industries with labor-management relations, has been involved in negotiations between United Continental Holdings and the United and Continental chapters of the Air Line Pilots Association since February 2011.
United hasn't reached joint contracts with any of its unionized work groups since merging with Continental. Although the airlines have merged, their flight crews still work separately under different labor contracts.
In mid-May the pilots asked to be released from mediated negotiations and called for a strike vote. In June, they picketed United Continental Holdings' annual shareholder meeting in New York. At the time ALPA leaders also expressed strong hope they would reach a deal with the company by June 15.
But they left New York with only the gag order request from the Mediation Board and plans for the parties to attend individual "status conference" meetings with the board's chairman in Washington this week to figure out the next steps.
Honoring the board's request, neither ALPA nor United would comment Monday. The board itself also declined comment.
But Fred Abbott, United's senior vice president of flight operations, sent a letter to pilots on July 2 - posted to United's negotiations website - expressing hope that things would move forward after this week's meetings.
"I remain hopeful that following our status meeting with the National Mediation Board the week of July 9, we will be able to quickly return to the negotiating table to reach an agreement," Abbott wrote in the letter. "I am well aware that the negotiations to reach a joint collective bargaining agreement have been long and frustrating. While many pilots have moved up in longevity, status and/or larger aircraft over time, many have not received an increase in pay for over 10 years.
"This is unacceptable, and we need to get this fixed, and fixed promptly. I am also aware that your expectations were high that an agreement would be reached in June; we shared those expectations, and are just as disappointed as you. We will continue to work on ways to get to an agreement, and get it promptly."
Deal is close?
Jerry Glass, president of labor and employment law consulting firm F&H Solutions Group, said voluntary or court-imposed gag orders are rare but not unprecedented in labor negotiations. He and others suggested the public silence may indicate that a deal is close - or at least that negotiations have reached a critical stage.
"Obviously they're in an important stage of negotiation and the mediator wants to ensure that there are as few outside distractions as possible," Glass said.
"When communication blackouts go into effect, it's because the parties are serious about trying to reach an agreement and they want to focus their sole attention on negotiations and nothing else," said Glass, a former executive vice president and chief human resources officer for U.S. Airways.
'That final step'
"It might be a sign that they're down to the wire and it's a question of whether or not they could take that final step - or if they're going to do something that could ruin everything. And that's not what the NMB wants to see," said Gary Chaison, a labor studies professor at Clark University.
IA1125
07-11-2012, 11:57 AM
Mediator tells pilots, United to keep quiet - Houston Chronicle (http://www.chron.com/business/article/Mediator-tells-pilots-United-to-keep-quiet-3694520.php)
Jerry Glass, president of labor and employment law consulting firm F&H Solutions Group, said voluntary or court-imposed gag orders are rare but not unprecedented in labor negotiations. He and others suggested the public silence may indicate that a deal is close - or at least that negotiations have reached a critical stage.
"Obviously they're in an important stage of negotiation and the mediator wants to ensure that there are as few outside distractions as possible," Glass said.
"When communication blackouts go into effect, it's because the parties are serious about trying to reach an agreement and they want to focus their sole attention on negotiations and nothing else," said Glass, a former executive vice president and chief human resources officer for U.S. Airways.
Is Jerry Glass working with/for the Company(s)?
Jerry Glass, president of labor and employment law consulting firm F&H Solutions Group, said voluntary or court-imposed gag orders are rare but not unprecedented in labor negotiations. He and others suggested the public silence may indicate that a deal is close - or at least that negotiations have reached a critical stage.
"Obviously they're in an important stage of negotiation and the mediator wants to ensure that there are as few outside distractions as possible," Glass said.
"When communication blackouts go into effect, it's because the parties are serious about trying to reach an agreement and they want to focus their sole attention on negotiations and nothing else," said Glass, a former executive vice president and chief human resources officer for U.S. Airways.
Is Jerry Glass working with/for the Company(s)?
Old UCAL CA
07-12-2012, 08:58 AM
CAL MEC Update (From the Chairman) July 12, 2012
Dear Fellow Pilots:
On Wednesday, along with ALPA President Captain Lee Moak and Joint Negotiating Committee (JNC) Co-Chairmen Phil Otis and Dave Owens, we met with National Mediation Board (NMB) member Linda Puchala and our two mediators. The NMB thanked the pilot groups for complying with the NMB’s informal gag order on negotiations. The group then discussed the current state of negotiations and possible solutions for bringing these negotiations to conclusion.
Management will have a similar meeting with the NMB today. Following the conclusion of that meeting, the NMB will come back to the parties with suggestions for the process going forward. As soon as we have more information on future negotiations, we will pass it on to you.
United,
Capt. Jay Pierce
CAL MEC Chairman
Capt. Jay Heppner
UAL MEC Chairman
Dear Fellow Pilots:
On Wednesday, along with ALPA President Captain Lee Moak and Joint Negotiating Committee (JNC) Co-Chairmen Phil Otis and Dave Owens, we met with National Mediation Board (NMB) member Linda Puchala and our two mediators. The NMB thanked the pilot groups for complying with the NMB’s informal gag order on negotiations. The group then discussed the current state of negotiations and possible solutions for bringing these negotiations to conclusion.
Management will have a similar meeting with the NMB today. Following the conclusion of that meeting, the NMB will come back to the parties with suggestions for the process going forward. As soon as we have more information on future negotiations, we will pass it on to you.
United,
Capt. Jay Pierce
CAL MEC Chairman
Capt. Jay Heppner
UAL MEC Chairman
socalflyboy
07-12-2012, 09:12 AM
CAL MEC Update (From the Chairman) July 12, 2012
Dear Fellow Pilots:
On Wednesday, along with ALPA President Captain Lee Moak and Joint Negotiating Committee (JNC) Co-Chairmen Phil Otis and Dave Owens, we met with National Mediation Board (NMB) member Linda Puchala and our two mediators. The NMB thanked the pilot groups for complying with the NMB’s informal gag order on negotiations. The group then discussed the current state of negotiations and possible solutions for bringing these negotiations to conclusion.
Management will have a similar meeting with the NMB today. Following the conclusion of that meeting, the NMB will come back to the parties with suggestions for the process going forward. As soon as we have more information on future negotiations, we will pass it on to you.
United,
Capt. Jay Pierce
CAL MEC Chairman
Capt. Jay Heppner
UAL MEC Chairman
This whole thing is becoming chaotic...or maybe CHAOS is the word I'm looking for.......
Dear Fellow Pilots:
On Wednesday, along with ALPA President Captain Lee Moak and Joint Negotiating Committee (JNC) Co-Chairmen Phil Otis and Dave Owens, we met with National Mediation Board (NMB) member Linda Puchala and our two mediators. The NMB thanked the pilot groups for complying with the NMB’s informal gag order on negotiations. The group then discussed the current state of negotiations and possible solutions for bringing these negotiations to conclusion.
Management will have a similar meeting with the NMB today. Following the conclusion of that meeting, the NMB will come back to the parties with suggestions for the process going forward. As soon as we have more information on future negotiations, we will pass it on to you.
United,
Capt. Jay Pierce
CAL MEC Chairman
Capt. Jay Heppner
UAL MEC Chairman
This whole thing is becoming chaotic...or maybe CHAOS is the word I'm looking for.......
Payme
07-12-2012, 09:29 AM
"future negotiations". Lovely.
El10
07-12-2012, 10:15 AM
Remember in a cooling off period it will be a series of intense negotiations. Don't read to much in to that. They are tasked with getting a JCBA not a strike.
Monkeyfly
07-12-2012, 10:45 AM
Agreed.
But it is put up or shut up time for the NMB.
Meaning: Will they do what it takes for this to get done?(release) Or let management have total control? (continue stalemate negotiating)
Either way, you might want to short UAL stock.
But it is put up or shut up time for the NMB.
Meaning: Will they do what it takes for this to get done?(release) Or let management have total control? (continue stalemate negotiating)
Either way, you might want to short UAL stock.
Old UCAL CA
07-12-2012, 11:06 AM
Agreed.
But it is put up or shut up time for the NMB.
Meaning: Will they do what it takes for this to get done?(release) Or let management have total control? (continue stalemate negotiating)
Either way, you might want to short UAL stock.
What transpires mostly depends upon how the NMB feels about the respective positions of the parties (ie, which is more "reasonable" given negotiations to date and the industry) and the obvious politics of an election year. It has very little to do with "put up or shut up."
But it is put up or shut up time for the NMB.
Meaning: Will they do what it takes for this to get done?(release) Or let management have total control? (continue stalemate negotiating)
Either way, you might want to short UAL stock.
What transpires mostly depends upon how the NMB feels about the respective positions of the parties (ie, which is more "reasonable" given negotiations to date and the industry) and the obvious politics of an election year. It has very little to do with "put up or shut up."
Monkeyfly
07-12-2012, 08:30 PM
What transpires mostly depends upon how the NMB feels about the respective positions of the parties (ie, which is more "reasonable" given negotiations to date and the industry) and the obvious politics of an election year. It has very little to do with "put up or shut up."
In terms of my support for this administration (Both ALPA and the White House), and whether or not they are impotent organizations in regard to my career, it has everything to do with it!
In terms of my support for this administration (Both ALPA and the White House), and whether or not they are impotent organizations in regard to my career, it has everything to do with it!
SoCalGuy
07-13-2012, 09:15 AM
Any word (even speculation) on the Mgt vs the NMB Chairman meeting that took place yesterday in Washington DC???
Sure hope there is 'something' worth reporting by Days End of Business today.
Sure hope there is 'something' worth reporting by Days End of Business today.
skippy
07-13-2012, 09:18 AM
Trojan,
No it wont be worth reporting. But hey we will get mad props for maintaining the gag order. Yay! Kudos! Congrats! Take that mgmnt!
No it wont be worth reporting. But hey we will get mad props for maintaining the gag order. Yay! Kudos! Congrats! Take that mgmnt!
SoCalGuy
07-13-2012, 09:54 AM
Trojan,
No it wont be worth reporting. But hey we will get mad props for maintaining the gag order. Yay! Kudos! Congrats! Take that mgmnt!
I hear you Skip, silly me.
I'll report to the clinic at 3pm with urine jar in hand for the Test.
BTW....Don't you like the one operative word describing the NMB's "gag order"???:rolleyes:
The NMB thanked the pilot groups for complying with the NMB’s informal gag order on negotiations.
No it wont be worth reporting. But hey we will get mad props for maintaining the gag order. Yay! Kudos! Congrats! Take that mgmnt!
I hear you Skip, silly me.
I'll report to the clinic at 3pm with urine jar in hand for the Test.
BTW....Don't you like the one operative word describing the NMB's "gag order"???:rolleyes:
The NMB thanked the pilot groups for complying with the NMB’s informal gag order on negotiations.
skippy
07-13-2012, 01:29 PM
i love how mgmnt can break said gag order and have nothing happen--- sound like we should do some more tomfoolery too.
what a joke. if no progress has been made in 2 years, what is a few months, let the process work and release it, the deal will get done-- pathetic puchala
what a joke. if no progress has been made in 2 years, what is a few months, let the process work and release it, the deal will get done-- pathetic puchala
UalHvy
07-14-2012, 10:02 AM
What is the next date that we are going to hang onto in hopes of a contract?
July 27?
August 14?
October 31?
How about April 1? That seems fitting. Our management sucks. They have lost me forever.
July 27?
August 14?
October 31?
How about April 1? That seems fitting. Our management sucks. They have lost me forever.
Payme
07-14-2012, 10:07 AM
One has to wonder what it will take to get 12000 angry pilots in front of the White House to let this administration know that the system is badly broken. We are mice, at best.
ualratt
07-14-2012, 07:07 PM
July 14, 2012
Dear United Pilots:
Here is where we are in JCBA negotiations: Our last mediated session of negotiations was June 30. There, with the National Mediation Board’s direct involvement including the attendance of the NMB Chairman, we came the closest to concluding negotiations that we have ever been. The degrees of separation were reduced. And while we remain under an informal gag order from the NMB that we have been very careful to follow, it leaves a vacuum of information for you. You may safely assume that the remaining issues in the contract are the obvious ones, including scope.
I informed you that ALPA had its follow-up status conference with the NMB on Wednesday, and management had its conference on Thursday. While we obviously were not at management’s conference, the NMB informed us yesterday that they had that conference with them and will have an additional conversation with management. In the meantime, the JNC has been preparing to renew negotiations as soon as management is ready. We do not require the NMB to continue negotiations – only a motivated partner.
There currently are no future scheduled negotiations, but that should not be misconstrued. This week, the two MECs are in individual and joint sessions all week, as was scheduled earlier in the year, so no negotiations were expected anyway. The JNC stands ready to negotiate anytime and anywhere, and sessions may be scheduled at a moment’s notice.
We remain under the NMB’s process for a negotiated agreement. We are complying with their requests and are prepared to resume negotiations at any time. As pilots, we like to be in control and analytically understand everything around us. However, the NMB is in the best position to determine our next steps. They have not yet informed us of their intentions for us. But we are confident they will use all the tools available to them under the RLA to assist us in achieving a JCBA.
We must be patient and prepared for any eventuality. We must continue to be smart and professional in our everyday dealings with the company. Management continues to look for any chinks in our unity, and inactivity makes us the most vulnerable. The pilots remain the better characters in these proceedings and will continue to be so.
As soon as there is more information to pass on to you, we will do so. In the meantime, keep your heads up and do what you do so well – safely delivering our passengers to their destinations each and every day.
We are United,
Captain Jay Heppner
Chairman, United Master Executive Council
Dear United Pilots:
Here is where we are in JCBA negotiations: Our last mediated session of negotiations was June 30. There, with the National Mediation Board’s direct involvement including the attendance of the NMB Chairman, we came the closest to concluding negotiations that we have ever been. The degrees of separation were reduced. And while we remain under an informal gag order from the NMB that we have been very careful to follow, it leaves a vacuum of information for you. You may safely assume that the remaining issues in the contract are the obvious ones, including scope.
I informed you that ALPA had its follow-up status conference with the NMB on Wednesday, and management had its conference on Thursday. While we obviously were not at management’s conference, the NMB informed us yesterday that they had that conference with them and will have an additional conversation with management. In the meantime, the JNC has been preparing to renew negotiations as soon as management is ready. We do not require the NMB to continue negotiations – only a motivated partner.
There currently are no future scheduled negotiations, but that should not be misconstrued. This week, the two MECs are in individual and joint sessions all week, as was scheduled earlier in the year, so no negotiations were expected anyway. The JNC stands ready to negotiate anytime and anywhere, and sessions may be scheduled at a moment’s notice.
We remain under the NMB’s process for a negotiated agreement. We are complying with their requests and are prepared to resume negotiations at any time. As pilots, we like to be in control and analytically understand everything around us. However, the NMB is in the best position to determine our next steps. They have not yet informed us of their intentions for us. But we are confident they will use all the tools available to them under the RLA to assist us in achieving a JCBA.
We must be patient and prepared for any eventuality. We must continue to be smart and professional in our everyday dealings with the company. Management continues to look for any chinks in our unity, and inactivity makes us the most vulnerable. The pilots remain the better characters in these proceedings and will continue to be so.
As soon as there is more information to pass on to you, we will do so. In the meantime, keep your heads up and do what you do so well – safely delivering our passengers to their destinations each and every day.
We are United,
Captain Jay Heppner
Chairman, United Master Executive Council
UalHvy
07-20-2012, 08:37 PM
One has to wonder what it will take to get 12000 angry pilots in front of the White House to let this administration know that the system is badly broken. We are mice, at best.
Hey...if anybody out there still believes Obama's lies...he says that he'll walk with us.
2007: Barack Obama promised to "walk on that picket line" if workers are denied the right to bargain - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SA9KC8SMu3o&feature=em-share_video_user)
Hey...if anybody out there still believes Obama's lies...he says that he'll walk with us.
2007: Barack Obama promised to "walk on that picket line" if workers are denied the right to bargain - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SA9KC8SMu3o&feature=em-share_video_user)
skippy
07-21-2012, 04:38 AM
Yeah he'll walk, but we have to get released first
jumppilot
07-21-2012, 08:19 AM
I'm fairly confident we won't have a contract for another year....maybe two.
But as for one year, that's my vote.
But as for one year, that's my vote.
mossimo
07-22-2012, 03:41 AM
I say we have a contract this year.
iad737
07-22-2012, 06:28 AM
What is the next date that we are going to hang onto in hopes of a contract?
July 27?
August 14?
October 31?
I'm thinking after the 1st tuesday in Nov.
July 27?
August 14?
October 31?
I'm thinking after the 1st tuesday in Nov.
krudawg
07-22-2012, 06:29 AM
We'll get a contract when and if we ever get released from the NMB and go out on strike. It's becoming clear to me that Jeff is looking a a US AIR type operation. He has lost me and any loyalty I ever had for UAL. The die has been cast.
threeighteen
07-22-2012, 02:02 PM
I'm thinking after the 1st tuesday in Nov.
That's when the NMB will release if it does decide to do so. Contract won't come until after the strike. 4-6 weeks is my guess.
That's when the NMB will release if it does decide to do so. Contract won't come until after the strike. 4-6 weeks is my guess.
Maxepr1
07-22-2012, 02:23 PM
The NMB will not in my opinion release us.. sooner or later it will be the line pilots who make it happen......
Regularguy
07-22-2012, 02:30 PM
One comment and one question.
Comment: it will never get to a strike.
Question: How will "the line pilots make it happen?"
Comment: it will never get to a strike.
Question: How will "the line pilots make it happen?"
SpecialTracking
07-22-2012, 02:38 PM
We'll get a contract when and if we ever get released from the NMB and go out on strike. It's becoming clear to me that Jeff is looking a a US AIR type operation. He has lost me and any loyalty I ever had for UAL. The die has been cast.
Amazing how a company in a customer service industry has never been able to truly quantify employee relations. Oh well.
Amazing how a company in a customer service industry has never been able to truly quantify employee relations. Oh well.
Nevets
07-22-2012, 03:57 PM
Yeah he'll walk, but we have to get released first
Umm, HE can release you. Just takes one word from him.
Umm, HE can release you. Just takes one word from him.
SoCalGuy
07-22-2012, 04:17 PM
Umm, HE can release you. Just takes one word from him.
^^^^^^^ <<<<<<<CRICKETS>>>>>>^^^^^^^
If that's the case, patiently waiting for a phone call for Penn Ave.
^^^^^^^ <<<<<<<CRICKETS>>>>>>^^^^^^^
If that's the case, patiently waiting for a phone call for Penn Ave.
threeighteen
07-23-2012, 07:06 AM
^^^^^^^ <<<<<<<CRICKETS>>>>>>^^^^^^^
If that's the case, patiently waiting for a phone call for Penn Ave.
Don't hold your breath.
If that's the case, patiently waiting for a phone call for Penn Ave.
Don't hold your breath.
SoCalGuy
07-23-2012, 07:58 AM
^^^^^^^ <<<<<<<CRICKETS>>>>>>^^^^^^^
If that's the case, patiently waiting for a phone call for Penn Ave.
Don't hold your breath.
^^^^ Incase I was NOT clear ^^^^
:eek:<<S-A-R-C-A-S-M>>:eek:
If that's the case, patiently waiting for a phone call for Penn Ave.
Don't hold your breath.
^^^^ Incase I was NOT clear ^^^^
:eek:<<S-A-R-C-A-S-M>>:eek:
buscappy
07-23-2012, 03:12 PM
What is the next date that we are going to hang onto in hopes of a contract?
July 27?
August 14?
October 31?
How about April 1? That seems fitting. Our management sucks. They have lost me forever.
agreed. lost forever. took too long jeffy
July 27?
August 14?
October 31?
How about April 1? That seems fitting. Our management sucks. They have lost me forever.
agreed. lost forever. took too long jeffy
buscappy
07-23-2012, 03:16 PM
One comment and one question.
Comment: it will never get to a strike.
Question: How will "the line pilots make it happen?"
"will never get to a strike" eh?
think history doesn't repeat ? in all of history, history repeats.
may never get. but not "will never get".
95% chance no strike. 5% chance strike.
to believe otherwise is to ignore history
Comment: it will never get to a strike.
Question: How will "the line pilots make it happen?"
"will never get to a strike" eh?
think history doesn't repeat ? in all of history, history repeats.
may never get. but not "will never get".
95% chance no strike. 5% chance strike.
to believe otherwise is to ignore history
Regularguy
07-23-2012, 06:58 PM
Buscappy:
I was there in 1983 when LCAL was raped by one man and I was there in 1985 LUAL. Part of "history!"
Now answer the question I posed, that is the real mystery here.
I was there in 1983 when LCAL was raped by one man and I was there in 1985 LUAL. Part of "history!"
Now answer the question I posed, that is the real mystery here.
APC225
07-26-2012, 04:53 PM
Dear Fellow Pilots:
On Tuesday and Wednesday of this week, we met with management and the National Mediation Board (NMB) in Washington, D.C., as intended when we were asked by the NMB to bring suggestions to reach a JCBA. All remaining open items were discussed, including benefits, scope and compensation. Though no actual proposals were exchanged, the discussions were open and frank, and were fashioned toward concluding a JCBA in the near future. Regrettably, there is little to report from those meetings. While ALPA continues to negotiate in good faith, the company clearly lacks the desire needed to reach a deal. Basically, the company’s performance didn’t meet our goal of providing the contract our pilots expect.
We’ve watched the company play its shell game and its attempts to move items around to make the contract look better, without adding any real value. When we travel back to Washington next week for additional meetings on Tuesday and Wednesday at the behest of the NMB, we encourage the company to come prepared to negotiate, and to show up with more than just a different shade of lipstick to apply to the pig.
We have shown the company that we are serious about the JCBA and that our pilots are overwhelmingly unified in support of their negotiators and their union. It is time to conclude these negotiations.
In Unity,
On Tuesday and Wednesday of this week, we met with management and the National Mediation Board (NMB) in Washington, D.C., as intended when we were asked by the NMB to bring suggestions to reach a JCBA. All remaining open items were discussed, including benefits, scope and compensation. Though no actual proposals were exchanged, the discussions were open and frank, and were fashioned toward concluding a JCBA in the near future. Regrettably, there is little to report from those meetings. While ALPA continues to negotiate in good faith, the company clearly lacks the desire needed to reach a deal. Basically, the company’s performance didn’t meet our goal of providing the contract our pilots expect.
We’ve watched the company play its shell game and its attempts to move items around to make the contract look better, without adding any real value. When we travel back to Washington next week for additional meetings on Tuesday and Wednesday at the behest of the NMB, we encourage the company to come prepared to negotiate, and to show up with more than just a different shade of lipstick to apply to the pig.
We have shown the company that we are serious about the JCBA and that our pilots are overwhelmingly unified in support of their negotiators and their union. It is time to conclude these negotiations.
In Unity,
SoCalGuy
07-26-2012, 05:21 PM
So.....Nothing to report.
Got it.
Got it.
unitedcop30
07-26-2012, 06:09 PM
Nothing to report...nothing to report! It's soo damn frustrating!! Our union has to do something here. This is bordering on the ridiculous! Everytime I read these updates that are full of nothing it just raises my blood pressure!
Old UCAL CA
07-27-2012, 12:51 AM
...When we travel back to Washington next week for additional meetings on Tuesday and Wednesday at the behest of the NMB,...
Actually, the report is....the NMB is sending both parties back to negotiation.
Actually, the report is....the NMB is sending both parties back to negotiation.
Coach67
07-27-2012, 04:47 AM
Actually, the report is....the NMB is sending both parties back to negotiation.
Correct! You read right through all the BS!
As suspected, Heppner knew there was no chance for a release in an election year. He did a most despicable thing by spinning up the pilot group for political reasons. His supporters criticized the previous MEC Chair for not getting anything done. When he found himself in the same position he spun up the troops with requests for release that he knew wasn't happening. Shameful ... now what are you going to do Jay(s). Their lack of communications indicate no plan.
Correct! You read right through all the BS!
As suspected, Heppner knew there was no chance for a release in an election year. He did a most despicable thing by spinning up the pilot group for political reasons. His supporters criticized the previous MEC Chair for not getting anything done. When he found himself in the same position he spun up the troops with requests for release that he knew wasn't happening. Shameful ... now what are you going to do Jay(s). Their lack of communications indicate no plan.
SoCalGuy
07-27-2012, 05:05 AM
Actually, the report is....the NMB is sending both parties back to negotiation.
Exactly the point......"Nothing to report".
^^^^Read between the lines^^^^
Even the Joint MEC Chair Letter expressed doubts as to the Company's ability in which to negotiate.
What's different from the Company's bargaining pattern thus far?? The entire concept of "Negotiations" takes two opposing parties in which to conduct the art, so far I see one that is actually attempting to partake in the process.....CLUE, it's NOT the Company.
"Good Faith" my a$$!!!
Exactly the point......"Nothing to report".
^^^^Read between the lines^^^^
Even the Joint MEC Chair Letter expressed doubts as to the Company's ability in which to negotiate.
What's different from the Company's bargaining pattern thus far?? The entire concept of "Negotiations" takes two opposing parties in which to conduct the art, so far I see one that is actually attempting to partake in the process.....CLUE, it's NOT the Company.
"Good Faith" my a$$!!!
