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Evening all, here's the low down.

I am planning a trip to AMS in a few weeks and need help getting over the pond.

I am in CASS with 121 cargo carrier with a recip with DAL but have no non rev recip.
I know I can't sit jump seat but I heared I can use my CASS to get a seat in the back if I pay taxes. I use DAL to jump domestically all the time but this is my first internationally.

I have heared from many that it is possible to do this and even more that it's not if you dont have a non rev agreement. Would I have any issues doing the usual at the gate or do I have to go to a ticket counter at either station?

Does anyone have any experience doing this? How would I list in AMS? I heared most carriers can't check CASS outside the US.

To prevent a lock please don't post specific jump seat procedures.

Thanks

You can flow to the back. The computer requirement by DHS have not been done to allow cockpit access. Get their 75 mins prior.

Evening all, here's the low down.

I am planning a trip to AMS in a few weeks and need help getting over the pond.

I am in CASS with 121 cargo carrier with a recip with DAL but have no non rev recip.
I know I can't sit jump seat but I heared I can use my CASS to get a seat in the back if I pay taxes. I use DAL to jump domestically all the time but this is my first internationally.

I have heared from many that it is possible to do this and even more that it's not if you dont have a non rev agreement. Would I have any issues doing the usual at the gate or do I have to go to a ticket counter at either station?

Does anyone have any experience doing this? How would I list in AMS? I heared most carriers can't check CASS outside the US.

To prevent a lock please don't post specific jump seat procedures.

Thanks

It's been a few years since I js'd int'l on DAL. But as long as you have a reciprocal agreement, you should be able to use the JS privilege to occupy a seat in the back of airplane. DAL doesn't have the silly domestic and int'l reciprocity JS lists some a certain other carrier. That you have no non-rev agreement doesn't matter at all.

Also, when I did it, I had to make sure that I was listed for the flight 75 minutes in advance of the flights go time to get "passport listed". Not sure if that's the case anymore, but at time, if you didn't do it you simply weren't getting on the airplane. I did this at the international customer service counter in ATL as that's where I went out of.

I've never come out of AMS, but just a few general guidelines. Get there EARLY, as in a few hours before go time. Just in case you have to go to an separate "staff travel" counter to get listed, pay any taxes, etc etc etc. It shouldn't be too difficult.

Now, this is up to you. I ALWAYS bring a bag of chocolates for the crew. BOTH the cockpit and the cabin. It's NEVER failed at helping me to get a more comfy seat when one was available.

Thanks for all the info so far guys.

The question still looms though, how do I get back from AMS? Would I be able to go to a ticket counter, do the normal with my credentials and they can check my CASS just as in the states or would they think I'm crazy? Remember, I have zero non rev credentials to present, only CASS.

Thanks (sorry and edit if I have said to much)

Thanks for all the info so far guys.

The question still looms though, how do I get back from AMS? Would I be able to go to a ticket counter, do the normal with my credentials and they can check my CASS just as in the states or would they think I'm crazy? Remember, I have zero non rev credentials to present, only CASS.

Thanks (sorry and edit if I have said to much)

Go to the DAL ticket counter, tell them you would like to js on whatever flight. LIKE I SAID, get there early, in case they have you pay your taxes first before getting you listed or have to have you check in at a "staff travel" counter.

IT DOESN'T MATTER THAT YOU DON'T WORK FOR DELTA OR A DELCON CARRIER.

The info provided so far is current. The process can be lengthy as some agents are not familiar. You really need quite a bit of time. 75 minutes is a minimum and I'd recommend much more especially for morning departures from AMS.

ex-AMS there's a customer service center near area 2(?). You'll need to pay the service charge and taxes there. They should also be able to check your credentials and list you. Again, it takes time. If you turn up 2 hrs in advance and have no checked bags, you MIGHT make it- 3 hrs is better. If you're having a hard time, remain patient and civil and see if you can coax the agents into calling someone who has done it before. Apparently some are former NW and some are former DL, so their sign-ins do not have equal access.

If you don't make you first flight, your listing does not automatically roll over to the next flight. See an agent in the service center to manually list you on your next choice and to have your checked bag transferred to your new flight.

I hope I haven't put any SSI info out there.

Just thought I'd add that you need a "ticket" each way. Out of the US, the DL service centers should print a "ticket"/receipt. You can't board without it. Don't let the check-in agents and/or the agents in the service center tell you otherwise. You have to allow enough time in case you have to walk away and try to get help from someone else (take my word for it);) . Out of AMS most (if not all) handling is by KLM.

Perfect, thanks for the clarification all. I will certainly be there plenty early at both stations.

Thanks a lot for the help

Does anyone have any insight as to when International CASS will become a reality (and not some myth)?

I am 1 for 5 this year on Delta International flights (I travel a lot)!! And it's really getting old! Plus pricey with all the ZEDs I've had to burn.


I was also denied at KEF a month ago because no one there knew what I was talking about.

CASS pilots once again can now occupy a flight-deck jump-seat on any airline as of recently, however many (most) airlines have not changed their policies to reflect this.

So I've heard! Anyone know if/when the airlines will?

Does anyone have any insight as to when International CASS will become a reality (and not some myth)?

I am 1 for 5 this year on Delta International flights (I travel a lot)!! And it's really getting old! Plus pricey with all the ZEDs I've had to burn.


I was also denied at KEF a month ago because no one there knew what I was talking about.

See that's what I am worried about happening and I wouldn't have ZED fares as a back up.