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There is a strong rumor going around that us, UPS, and Delta have all approached Boeing about restarting the 757 line. Anyone hear this one? Why would we want new airplanes? Better deal to used, I always thought.

WM

UPS really just wants widebodies, but if the price is right...

It's only a rumor. I think the 757 was built in Renton and that plant is MAXed out according to Aviation Week & Space Technology. IF they did restart that line, it would have to be a HUGE order and they'd have to find a spot to build. Charleston maybe? I don't see it, frankly, but you'd never know!

Isn't Delta going with 737-900ERs as 757 replacements?

They are. I spoke to a Delta guy today who said that the 900ER is a great plane, but there are certain routes that the 757 is better for, hence, Delta's interest in the 757. He mentioned Hawaii specifically.

They are. I spoke to a Delta guy today who said that the 900ER is a great plane, but there are certain routes that the 757 is better for, hence, Delta's interest in the 757. He mentioned Hawaii specifically.

Also any sort of performance critical airport. The 739ER is an absolute dog.

If memory serves me right, Boeing destroyed all the tooling for the 757 line, thus making it almost impossible and very costly to restart it. Besides "hypothetically" it would hurt future sales of the 737. Why order an old airplane with 70s and 80s tech when you would want a 757-200/300NG?

Sad thing in the late 90s Boeing was begging NWA, Delta and anyone else that would listen to order more 75s or they would shut the line for good. It's not like the put all the tooling in the desert for storage. Then when gas prices went up, the 757 really showed how well it could do. I bet the 753 would be still selling if it was open. But it's all a pipe dream, the 757 line will never be reopened. Would hurt the 737 (-900)max orders too much.

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/24219584.jpgAlso any sort of performance critical airport. The 739ER is an absolute dog.

I think it would be a new 757NG, not the old 757 being made the same way.

The tooling was destroyed, but there's really not much to making a 757. It's a stretched 737 with a different cockpit, wings, fully stowed gear, and empennage/stabilizers.

Pretty much all of those things would be reworked for an NG anyway, so wouldn't be too difficult.

There is a strong rumor going around that us, UPS, and Delta have all approached Boeing about restarting the 757 line. Anyone hear this one? Why would we want new airplanes? Better deal to used, I always thought.

WM

Maybe better depreciation advantage with new?

I think it would be a new 757NG, not the old 757 being made the same way.

The tooling was destroyed, but there's really not much to making a 757. It's a stretched 737 with a different cockpit, wings, fully stowed gear, and empennage/stabilizers.

Pretty much all of those things would be reworked for an NG anyway, so wouldn't be too difficult.

No need for a cockpit if you listen to some on here. :rolleyes:

Maybe better depreciation advantage with new?

Could be they want some with 50 hours/cycles vice 50,000.

Have any other large aircraft went OOP then back in production? Would this be a 1st for the industry?

I was in Long Beach when the MD11 production ended. The Boeing instructors told us they piled up the tooling and drove over it with a track hoe. No more of those suckers.

Hey Huck,

I was in Long Beach when the MD11 production ended.

As was I. Ditto on the McDonnell Douglas (Boeing) Twin Jet (MD-80/90/717) tooling.

Many years back the DC-8 tooling met the same fate, much to the chagrin of airlines that still wanted them.

Now, save for the Final Assembly buildings on the East Side of Lakewood Boulevard and the West Ramp, it's all an empty field. They are constructing new buildings now, but pretty much zip to do with airplanes.

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I was in Long Beach when the MD11 production ended. The Boeing instructors told us they piled up the tooling and drove over it with a track hoe. No more of those suckers.

What a disgusting and insensitive thing to call someone....Especially during the Olympics.

What a disgusting and insensitive thing to call someone....Especially during the Olympics.

Now that's just dang funny and timely too!:D

I think it would be a new 757NG, not the old 757 being made the same way.

The tooling was destroyed, but there's really not much to making a 757. It's a stretched 737 with a different cockpit, wings, fully stowed gear, and empennage/stabilizers.

Pretty much all of those things would be reworked for an NG anyway, so wouldn't be too difficult.

Lol keep dreaming that it would be easy to re introduce a 757NG. The 757 model is dead to Boeing. It would hurt the 737 max brand too much. Besides it would take at least a decade to bring something that might look "like" a 757, from blue prints to FAA certification.

I still say Boeing kept the turd and threw out the steak on that deal. Thanks to WN, the 37NG is a cobbled together mess. The 57 was (is) a sports car that handles like touring sedan. They really got it right on that airplane, too bad all the airlines wanted the FLUFF back then...

Boeing confirms long-haul 757 replacement study
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By: STEPHEN TRIMBLE WASHINGTON DC 11:48 26 Apr 2012 Source:

Boeing chief executive Jim McNerney confirms a replacement for the long-haul 757-200 market segment is being studied internally, adding potentially a new layer to the 737 Max concept.

The 757-200 ceased production in 2004, and was replaced on domestic routes largely by either the 737-900ER or the Airbus A321.

But US carriers have also introduced the 757-200 on long-haul routes, flying between East Coast cities and Europe and West Coast cities and Hawaii.

That has created a potential gap in the market, with US Airways complaining that the A321neo will lack the range to reach Europe from its Philadelphia hub and perhaps even Honolulu from its Phoenix hub.

"I think we're trying to think through exactly how to fill that market," McNerney told analysts on 25 April during a first quarter earnings call.

"The largest part of that [757-200 replacement] segment is going to be filled by the larger versions of the narrowbody [737 Max]," he says. "But there's some product planning we have yet to do, and we'll announce that in due course."

The remarks echo McNerney's statement about a 757 replacement last May. Speaking to analysts at last year's Boeing "investor day", McNerney explained the company's focus was on replacing the "heart" of the narrowbody market formed by the 737-700 and -800.

At the time, Boeing was still considering an all-new narrowbody, and McNerney suggested it could stretch that aircraft for the 757 replacement market or develop a shortened version of the 787.

Though Boeing resisted the re-engined 737 concept for several years, the airframer has tallied more than 300 firm orders for the CFM Internatinal Leap-1B 737 Max since launching the programme late last year.

McNerney re-affirmed that Boeing remains on schedule to complete firm configuration of the 737 Max series in 2013.
Boeing confirms long-haul 757 replacement study (http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/boeing-confirms-long-haul-757-replacement-study-371163/)

We've got four 757 conversion lines cranking... plenty of airframes on the used market. Hard to believe we need more. The future is not in the narrow body business - just wait till the cuts in October.

Why No B757-NG/NEO? — Civil Aviation Forum | Airliners.net (http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/read.main/5112668/)

Fly,

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There is a strong rumor going around that us, UPS, and Delta have all approached Boeing about restarting the 757 line.
I sincerely doubt UPS is interested in this. Many of our 757 are currently "unassigned," not in service, but not in long term storage. Three years ago the plan was to park ALL of our 757s, final disposition unknown. The airframe was just getting too small for our system plan.

The downturn in the global economy has kept our 757s flying. Mostly in the US, with only one or two at the Asia and Europe hubs.

I sincerely doubt UPS is interested in this. Many of our 757 are currently "unassigned," not in service, but not in long term storage. Three years ago the plan was to park ALL of our 757s, final disposition unknown. The airframe was just getting too small for our system plan.

The downturn in the global economy has kept our 757s flying. Mostly in the US, with only one or two at the Asia and Europe hubs.

Much has changed in 3 years. The downturn isn't going away anytime soon. However I'm sure we'd be glad to take your 757s if you don't want them.

IMOP I think Boeing may end up making a narrow body version of the 787 with 787 technology to replace the 757. The 737-900ER just can't do all it is asked to do.

Anybody seen China's C919? Looks an awful lot like a 757. I don't see it entering service in the US, but in the Eastern Hemisphere, it might find its home. A narriw body, medium-long range jet.

Well if your going to make comparisons with the C919 I'll jump. The C919 is more like the Airbus line. The Chinese have a real problem with certification. There DC-9 copy, still isn't certified, which should have been wrapped up years ago. The C919 is a pipe dream until they get the thing certified to western standards.

It would be nice to have a new fleet with commonality to carry us for the next 20 years, but it ain't gonna happen.

However I'm sure we'd be glad to take your 757s if you don't want them.

Ha-ha. The eventual disposition of the airframes was up in the air, however Bob "Leadpipes" did say our 757s would never be sold to Purple. THAT, he was sure about!

Ha-ha. The eventual disposition of the airframes was up in the air, however Bob "Leadpipes" did say our 757s would never be sold to Purple. THAT, he was sure about!

Shell corporations man, shell corporations. ;)

Ha-ha. The eventual disposition of the airframes was up in the air, however Bob "Leadpipes" did say our 757s would never be sold to Purple. THAT, he was sure about!




UPS is the last airline job you will ever need.

UPS will never furlough.

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