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ERJ135
07-31-2012, 07:14 AM
Thought I should pass this along....

It is imperative that every American Eagle pilot read the letter (attached below) to the Los Angeles pilots from the ALPA Eagle LAX Council Chairman Herb Mark and Vice-Chairman Bill Sprague.

Do not read the letter casually, study it and read between the lines.

What is blatantly obvious from the letter is that the Eagle MEC has been summoned to Washington. This is the beginning of the ALPA National/management Cram-Down.

The Eagle MEC will be held hostage in Washington DC by ALPA National, on behalf of management, until the MEC agrees to management's ever changing demands.

What is also obvious from the letter is that the more of your money (wages, retirement, health insurance, work-rules, quality-of-life) MEC Chairman Tony Gutierrez and MEC Vice-Chairman Dave Ryter offer American Eagle President Dan Garton, the more money Dan Garton is demanding from the pilots.

ALPA National has been directly solicited by management to threaten, intimidate and coerce the MEC into signing an agreement.

ALPA National refuses to defend the American Eagle pilot's wages, retirement, health insurance, work-rules and quality-of-life in the Bankruptcy Court Section 1113 process because defending the American Eagle Pilot Agreement costs money. Capitulation costs ALPA National nothing, it all comes out of the American Eagle pilot's pockets.

ALPA National refuses to use the more than $350,000.00 in dues money the Eagle pilots pay ALPA every month. American Eagle pilots pay ALPA more than four million dollars ($4,000,000.00) every year.

ALPA National, Tony Gutierrez, Dave Ryter and management ALSO do not want to risk having the truth exposed, in Bankruptcy Court, how they have colluded to financially harm the American Eagle pilots.

The AEPA will shortly bring to the attention of the American Eagle pilots how and where ALPA has failed to represent the pilots and colluded with management to financially harm the American Eagle pilots.

This Washington Cram-Down, beginning tomorrow, Monday July 30, 2012 is just a continuation of the failure and refusal of ALPA National to represent the American Eagle pilots.

Please mass circulate this email as every American Eagle pilot should read the letter from Herb Mark and Bill Sprague to the LAX based pilots.

...letter begins...

Fellow LAX pilots:

Herb and I wanted to provide a quick update on the status of our negotiations with the company.

Several weeks ago we delivered comprehensive proposal to management that provided the savings that they demanded in bankruptcy. The proposal was a far departure from the agreement we had in principal last fall related to divestiture. As you may recall, that deal would have guaranteed our competitive place in the fee-for-departure market. The company countered our offer shortly after we delivered it. Their offer contained much larger concessions and demonstrated that we had a lot of work to do.

The company then repaid our efforts by threatening to directly file an 1113 motion with a term sheet that regressed dramatically from their last offer.

The MEC subsequently authorized Tony to put a little more of your money on the table. It wasn't enough. Tony wants to bring Herb and I to DC on Monday to decide on your behalf how much more we will give up to get a "deal". The plan is to keep the MEC there until we decide what to do. It has become a "race for the deal".

Most of you have reached out to us and have made it crystal clear which direction you want us to go. Herb and I are committed to following that direction. Please continue to provide your perspective.

Stay tuned.


TheFly
07-31-2012, 08:38 AM
Might want to remove their personal information at the bottom of your post. Just sayin'.

ERJ135
07-31-2012, 08:52 AM
Yikes!! thanks, wasn't suppose to be on there!!


ERJ135
07-31-2012, 08:58 AM
Any mods out there, I'd like to get those phone numbers deleted ASAP, sent a msg already but, I can't figure out how to do it??

RJtrashPilot
07-31-2012, 09:12 AM
Any mods out there, I'd like to get those phone numbers deleted ASAP, sent a msg already but, I can't figure out how to do it??

Look in the bottom right corner of your post. There should be an "edit" key there. Just hit "edit" and remove the numbers.

Nevermind. Mods beat me to the punch.
Former Comair guys are quick on the draw.

ERJ135
07-31-2012, 09:22 AM
Thank you.. I was looking for the edit button but, couldn't see it. I made a post n dash.. Got back to it few hours later and edit button was gone..

rickair7777
07-31-2012, 09:57 AM
Thank you.. I was looking for the edit button but, couldn't see it. I made a post n dash.. Got back to it few hours later and edit button was gone..

Edit button only exists for a short time, to allow you to polish/correct your post. Then it goes away to prevent people from changing their tune after healthy discussion is generated. Mods can make edits if there's a good reason.

samballs
07-31-2012, 10:20 AM
Lets all hope Cory from comair (he's Been at Natl. since Oh bk) is not helping them. Cory makes tony look good.

samballs
07-31-2012, 10:24 AM
Anyone that willingly votes yes for a paycut is crazy.

The Chow
07-31-2012, 12:26 PM
Anyone that willingly votes yes for a paycut is crazy.

But Sam,

If we don't vote for these concessions them other regionals will end up getting the new planes. :rolleyes:

Same 'ol tune keeps getting played

samballs
07-31-2012, 12:33 PM
But Sam,

If we don't vote for these concessions them other regionals will end up getting the new planes. :rolleyes:

Same 'ol tune keeps getting played

I hear ya. We could vote to work for free, and they still would get them.

DashDriverYV
07-31-2012, 02:06 PM
Thanks for the post. Be sure of it, eagle is headed down the path of comair. Sorry guys. I would rather vote no and have the doors eventually close and investments from all lost, than continue taking concessions to keep the flying. As you all can see from my avatar, I've seen first hand what concessions get you; a bankrupt company that still loses flying. The course is set for eagle, we might as well go down fighting instead of on our backs. God willing there will be hiring at a better level soon and we can show our management some appreciation with our feet.

CrustyFE
07-31-2012, 02:07 PM
With Comair now shutting down and 654 pilots hitting the street it appears the pilot shortage that always seems to be just around the corner may be put off yet again for another year or so. That could give Eagle management the idea that pilots are in abundance and they really don't need to give us very much at all.

Also, it's possible that Comair may be the first of several regional airlines to be liquidated. It's been a possibility for us for some time, albeit an unlikely one, but a possibility just the same.

Thoughts?

Stryker
07-31-2012, 04:42 PM
IF more regionals are liquidated, its still going to be quite some time... The amount of flying any of the larger regionals cover would be VERY hard to replace quickly. We are talking several years folks...

TBucket
07-31-2012, 05:44 PM
IF more regionals are liquidated, its still going to be quite some time... The amount of flying any of the larger regionals cover would be VERY hard to replace quickly. We are talking several years folks...


Gojets is ready and willing to replace pretty much anyone at a tiny percentage of what they're working for now.

bidnez
07-31-2012, 06:17 PM
Gojets is ready and willing to replace pretty much
anyone at a tiny percentage of what they're working for now.

And... so will Transsssstates!

SnoJet440
07-31-2012, 07:53 PM
To the op, your entire post is rumor, inuendo and speculation. Do you have sources/facts to support any of your claims? ALPA National is denying this and blocking that. Honestly, prove it. Things at Eagle are uncertain and frustrating, but keep your emotions in check and look at management/union tactics as what they are.

Stryker
07-31-2012, 08:03 PM
It has nothing to do with a company that is WILLING to do it, but rather a matter of logistics. It's very time consuming and requires a lot of resources to absorb a large amount of flying. Even IF it were possible it will take a long time to do.

lolwut
08-01-2012, 02:26 PM
I think theres one thing everyone at American Eagle can agree to vote yes on, and thats mullets.

http://oi49.tinypic.com/k4jqbq.jpg

FLowpayFO
08-01-2012, 03:19 PM
I think theres one thing everyone at American Eagle can agree to vote yes on, and thats mullets.

http://oi49.tinypic.com/k4jqbq.jpg

Holy hell this made me laugh. That needs to be posted in the crewroom in ORD and DFW...haha

Tsuda
08-01-2012, 06:44 PM
http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/files/2012/07/ALPA-Final-Term-Sheet-July-13-2012.pdf

Paid2fly
08-01-2012, 09:41 PM
http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/files/2012/07/ALPA-Final-Term-Sheet-July-13-2012.pdf








You guys should tell management to "pound sand"!

samballs
08-02-2012, 07:36 AM
You guys should tell management to "pound sand"!

We try to, but our MEC is currently under the bosses desk making the slurp sounds, so I'm not sure if they hear us.

buddies8
08-02-2012, 07:44 AM
We try to, but our MEC is currently under the bosses desk making the slurp sounds, so I'm not sure if they hear us.



so true. maybe that is why the mec grew gotee's (spg).

skippy
08-02-2012, 07:55 AM
Wowwhata bunch or crap. I would vote no just based onnthem takingna quarter from me per duty hour. Screw that. Has the cost of stuff gone fown by 12%? no, only the cost of a pilot's worth. Pathetic