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Posting the following from FFDOA, since ALPA Security has become a joke...and takes forever to put out any word.



A MESSAGE FROM FFDOA PRESIDENT MARCUS FLAGG:

FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO KNOW SOMEONE INTERESTED IN THE FFDO PROGRAM:

Great News! FFDO training funding still exists for Fiscal Year (FY) 2012. The FFDO program has a large number of initial training slots to fill prior to September 30, 2012 (the end of FY2012.) and the Federal Air Marshal Service (FAMS) has requested our assistance to recruit candidates to fill these available slots. This is a fast track opportunity for anyone interested in becoming an FFDO. Three initial training classes are scheduled for September, 2012. Each class will be held at the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center (FLETC) in Artesia, NM and is one week in duration (Sunday through Saturday). Prior to applying you must be certain that you will be able to attend at least one of the classes prior to submitting your name.

Specific class dates are:
September 9-15, 2012
September 16-22, 2012
September 23-29, 2012

If you have the availability and desire to attend one of the classes in September please send an email to Marcus Flagg at mflagg@ffdoa.org with the following information: Name, Pilot Certificate number, E-mail address, contact phone number, Airline employer, current A/C type and desired class dates in order of preference.

All names will be forwarded to the FAMS in the order they are received, and a return email will be sent confirming your request has been forwarded. After interim background checks, the FAMS will select eligible candidates to participate in the September classes. There are no guarantees as to selection. Upon successful completion of a full background check you’ll be finalized into the FFDO program. Candidates are responsible for their own transportation to/from Artesia, and must also cover the cost of meals and lodging at FLETC (approximately $34 per day.) The FFDO Program covers the cost of training and equipment.

The FFDO Website “Dashboard” is a secure web based scheduling and communication tool used by the FAMS to oversee the FFDO program. Since successful FFDO program trainees cannot be issued credentials, weapons or function as an active FFDO until the revised Dashboard is up and running, in order to take advantage of currently available slots the plan is to have participants complete the initial training at Artesia and then go to a requalification site of their choice to be issued credentials and weapon when the new Dashboard is complete. The FAMS will be working the Dashboard with a new contractor in August, and this is a top priority.

This information is being promulgated simultaneously by CAPA, ALPA and FFDOA to their respective members and these classes represent the only remaining FFDO initial training opportunities for FY2012. Slots are limited and we do not know when this opportunity will come again. If you are serious about becoming an FFDO we suggest you apply ASAP as applications will likely fill up quickly and the application window closes August 14th.

Great, more gun toters. Guys at my airline have trouble staying awake. That age 65 thing.

Has anyone heard anything from this opportunity?

Classes filled almost immediately.

And yet they want to cut funding to the program...

Anyone know if the selected applicants have been notified yet? A friend said they got in on this, but only got an acknowledgement email...

Incorrect they actually gave it more funding. Originally it was to be cut but the reverse happened. Surprised many of us.

Soooooo, these clowns had a message posted for over a year that last year's classes were full BUT if you were interested you could leave your information and they would get hold of you. Did they dump the database of those interested?

Great, more gun toters. Guys at my airline have trouble staying awake. That age 65 thing.

Are you serious? What does one have to do with the other for starters?

And yet they want to cut funding to the program...

I don't know if you are aware, but our government is about 13 trillion dollars in debt and this program adds no value to airline security. As far as I am concerned, it should be the first thing to be cut.

I don't know if you are aware, but our government is about 13 trillion dollars in debt and this program adds no value to airline security. As far as I am concerned, it should be the first thing to be cut.

What if the crews that died on 9/11 had guns?

No one will take my aircraft from me.

I don't know if you are aware, but our government is about 13 trillion dollars in debt and this program adds no value to airline security. As far as I am concerned, it should be the first thing to be cut.


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BINGO!!! Some folks are just wired that way. Fortunately for them there are sheep dogs about.

I don't know if you are aware, but our government is about 13 trillion dollars in debt and this program adds no value to airline security. As far as I am concerned, it should be the first thing to be cut.

Ok. This $20 million program is 1st on your list to be cut? Out of all the programs, pork and waste this is number one on your list? #1? Really? I have an idea to help you....come back and say you were guilty of drinking and posting or you left your computer unattended. Anything. #1? Wow.

I don't know if you are aware, but our government is about 13 trillion dollars in debt and this program adds no value to airline security. As far as I am concerned, it should be the first thing to be cut.

Yes because multipile trillion dollar wars over monkey bar training camps and non existant WMD's is way cheaper.

If anything, take it out of the bloated congress medical plans and put them on the "affordable health care" bill, you know, the very same one they exempted themselves from as they passed it just to see what was in it for the rest of us.

Wow... didn't mean for this to get political, just checking on time lines and updates for these training events. It seems like a 6 week time line to training is significantly compressed to the normal 6-9 months.

How many Comair guys will be losing their equipment? Maybe FAMS are looking to reallocate those weapons, Announcement and training time frame seem to mesh.

What if the crews that died on 9/11 had guns?

No one will take my aircraft from me.

They'd have to get through the beefed up door (that wasn't there pre 9/11 either) and the only way that could be done is if the door procedures are not followed. Those that can't follow these simple procedures should not have guns anyway.....especially in an airplane.

I'm with emma on this one. With tsa manning our maignot line, I'm not worried at all.

Rolf

BINGO!!! Some folks are just wired that way. Fortunately for them there are sheep dogs about.

Thank you, sheepdogs:)

They'd have to get through the beefed up door (that wasn't there pre 9/11 either) and the only way that could be done is if the door procedures are not followed.

From the mouths of babes.....

Kind of reminds me of the "duck and cover" drills of the cold war. Those folks felt safe and secure too I'm sure.

They'd have to get through the beefed up door (that wasn't there pre 9/11 either) and the only way that could be done is if the door procedures are not followed.

That's funny, I don't care who you are!

BTW you forgot the winky face to indicate your blatant sarcasm. I picked up on it, but not everyone may.

How many Comair guys will be losing their equipment? Maybe FAMS are looking to reallocate those weapons, Announcement and training time frame seem to mesh.

That would make sense if the FAMs collected used gear and reissued it to recruits. But... they don't. :D

I'm with emma on this one. With tsa manning our maignot line, I'm not worried at all.

Rolf

I never said anything about the TSA. Besides, I trust the door way more than the TSA.

That's funny, I don't care who you are!

BTW you forgot the winky face to indicate your blatant sarcasm. I picked up on it, but not everyone may.

I had no intention of sarcasm or humor.

Emma Goldman should have been hung by the neck until dead, if not by the State of New York, certainly by the Soviets in 1922. Why on earth would you pick such a filthy, contemptible human being for this web site?

Emma Goldman should have been hung by the neck until dead, if not by the State of New York, certainly by the Soviets in 1922. Why on earth would you pick such a filthy, contemptible human being for this web site?

Perhaps he or she doesn't share your opinion? Ya think?:rolleyes:
Nice thread hijack (no pun intended) attempt.

Anyway, back to FFDO's

Perhaps he or she doesn't share your opinion? Ya think?:rolleyes:
Nice thread hijack (no pun intended) attempt.

Anyway, back to FFDO's
Class of 2006. I never leave home w/out my HK.

They'd have to get through the beefed up door (that wasn't there pre 9/11 either) and the only way that could be done is if the door procedures are not followed. Those that can't follow these simple procedures should not have guns anyway.....especially in an airplane.

This is a poor excuse for complacency.

I had no intention of sarcasm or humor.

So the new door is so awesome we can scuttle the FFDO program. Got it. The door. Man is that thing awesome and invincible. Even when its open, those airtight procedures guarantee a well trained team can't possibly get past someone reading magazines in front of a 3 foot cart. Let's direct that tiny budget to other vital things, like 15 minutes of foreign aid to some tinpot despot or the second engine program for the F35 that even the bloated pentagon says is a waste (and they never say anything is a waste). Maybe we can create a shovel ready job with it, or cover 5% of the investment in Solyndra! Weeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

So the new door is so awesome we can scuttle the FFDO program. Got it. The door. Man is that thing awesome and invincible. Even when its open, those airtight procedures guarantee a well trained team can't possibly get past someone reading magazines in front of a 3 foot cart. Let's direct that tiny budget to other vital things, like 15 minutes of foreign aid to some tinpot despot or the second engine program for the F35 that even the bloated pentagon says is a waste (and they never say anything is a waste). Maybe we can create a shovel ready job with it, or cover 5% of the investment in Solyndra! Weeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

...I have to agree. But, the TSA isn't bloated? Puh-leeze.

So the new door is so awesome we can scuttle the FFDO program. Got it. The door. Man is that thing awesome and invincible. Even when its open, those airtight procedures guarantee a well trained team can't possibly get past someone reading magazines in front of a 3 foot cart. Let's direct that tiny budget to other vital things, like 15 minutes of foreign aid to some tinpot despot or the second engine program for the F35 that even the bloated pentagon says is a waste (and they never say anything is a waste). Maybe we can create a shovel ready job with it, or cover 5% of the investment in Solyndra! Weeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

You nailed it!

...I have to agree. But, the TSA isn't bloated? Puh-leeze.

Most would say it is. But the answer isn't to cut one of, if not the, most cost effective programs within it (or in government history for that matter). I honestly thought that guy was just trolling, but he might actually believe what he's advocating, which is hillarious on one hand but sad in the other.

Most would say it is. But the answer isn't to cut one of, if not the, most cost effective programs within it (or in government history for that matter). I honestly thought that guy was just trolling, but he might actually believe what he's advocating, which is hillarious on one hand but sad in the other.

I'd call it fatally flawed ignorance with a healthy dose of innocence. But as long as Emma feels safe it's all good.

I don't know if you are aware, but our government is about 13 trillion dollars in debt and this program adds no value to airline security. As far as I am concerned, it should be the first thing to be cut.

Because you have a close eye on every dime that they spend and EXACTLY what they spend it on. And I'm not talking about what you have heard on the news.

I think that people think every aircraft and procedure is the same out there. I can't tell you how many time I was just tooling along and my flightdeck door just popped open. Was coming into OKC one day and I noticed the flight attendant was standing behind me. She game a little ehh hem.... I was like what they heck are you doing in here. Oh wait, the door just came open again. And yes it was properly latched. Just a cheap / poor design.

Useless CRJ flight deck doors.

They sent out emails today for those that applied for the Sept classes. They will be evaluating them and then making phone screenings. This all to be done for the Sept classes. Talk about a fast track.

Baja.

I don't know if you are aware, but our government is about 13 trillion dollars in debt and this program adds no value to airline security. As far as I am concerned, it should be the first thing to be cut.

Hey, iahflyr. There's a Tool of the Day thread going on. Have you seen it?

Did it ever occur to you that, while they replaced the door, they didn't replace the bulkhead on either side of the door? Wonder how strong it is?

Great, more gun toters. Guys at my airline have trouble staying awake. That age 65 thing.

Are you serious? What does one have to do with the other for starters?

For starters.

Did you not read about the Canadian who put his plane into a nose dive after waking up and thinking Uranus was a plane. He injured people in the back.

Flying west coast to east coast 20% of the guys I fly with nod off. One of the last guys was out at the 30 minute mark on a 5.5 hour flight.

The last thing I need is some cowboy gun toter waking up from a nightmare thinking one of his four ex wives is trying to kill him.

S h i t, we had a guy put one in the side of an airplane.

Anybody with a plane nose diving into their anus could get hurt. What's that got to do with the FFDO program?

Anybody with a plane nose diving into their anus could get hurt. What's that got to do with the FFDO program?

Well if he has a gun, maybe he wakes up and starts shooting. Who knows.

There was a C-17 1000 feet below him.

Well if he has a gun, maybe he wakes up and starts shooting. Who knows.

There was a C-17 1000 feet below him.

Maybe you wake up and freak out, roll the airplane on it's back and snap off the wings killing everyone on board. I mean if we are going to pull hypotheticals from Uranus why not? I guess it's time to pull you out of the cockpit because there is a chance you could do harm to other people and we just can't have that.

I think I'd take evasive action too if I woke up and had your anus in my face.

I think I'd take evasive action too if I woke up and had your anus in my face.


Coffee everywhere! LMFAO!!!
:D

The last thing I need is some cowboy gun toter waking up from a nightmare thinking one of his four ex wives is trying to kill him.
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I wonder -- is there a limit in the Army on how many ex-wives you can have and still serve in the infantry?

Too many people wasting too much effort on getting past the super duper door. In reality all you have to do is get past the latch.

TC

The last thing I need is some cowboy gun toter waking up from a nightmare thinking one of his four ex wives is trying to kill him.

DCA makes a great point.

Roughly 70% of our losses on Iwo Jima were guys shooting their fellow soldiers during nightmares. The other 30% were from cholera.

:confused:

Fun fact: Roughly 78% of all statistics are made up (65% of the time).

News flash!

72% of today's college freshmen women are sexually active. The other 18% just lay there and don't move.

News flash!

72% of today's college freshmen women are sexually active. The other 18% just lay there and don't move.. What about the other other 10%??

Great, more gun toters. Guys at my airline have trouble staying awake. That age 65 thing.



For starters.

Did you not read about the Canadian who put his plane into a nose dive after waking up and thinking Uranus was a plane. He injured people in the back.

Flying west coast to east coast 20% of the guys I fly with nod off. One of the last guys was out at the 30 minute mark on a 5.5 hour flight.

The last thing I need is some cowboy gun toter waking up from a nightmare thinking one of his four ex wives is trying to kill him.

S h i t, we had a guy put one in the side of an airplane.

You're right. If we get rid of pilots with guns we will have peace in our time. 9-11 can't happen again anyway, because of the door. It is better to risk another 9-11 than to carry the risk of a pilot falling asleep and then waking up and shooting in a post nightmare trance thing or something.

That about right?

Originally Posted by DCA A321 FO View Post
Great, more gun toters. Guys at my airline have trouble staying awake. That age 65 thing.



For starters.

Did you not read about the Canadian who put his plane into a nose dive after waking up and thinking Uranus was a plane. He injured people in the back.

Flying west coast to east coast 20% of the guys I fly with nod off. One of the last guys was out at the 30 minute mark on a 5.5 hour flight.

The last thing I need is some cowboy gun toter waking up from a nightmare thinking one of his four ex wives is trying to kill him.

S h i t, we had a guy put one in the side of an airplane.


What if he wakes up and the airplane is being attacked by a giant squid? You wouldn't be so quick to condemn his actions then would you?:rolleyes:

Maybe they flew through a time zone and wake up in prehistoric times? And huge flying dinosaurs are attacking them? Then what?

DUDE you need to get a life....

What if he wakes up and the airplane is being attacked by a giant squid?

One of these days Dumbo will go rogue and terrorize the airways. Then we'll regret our lack of a ball turret gun and defensive peanut dispensers. :(

This is so much better than real life! LMAO!

Any word.....

What happens when Zombies grow wings? Then we will all regret not carrying our hand cannons, just a thought!!

. What about the other other 10%??

Sorry, didn't even proof it before I sent it. Should be 28%. That's what I get for doing math in public.

Training dates are being assigned.

Training dates are being assigned.

Anyone going the week of the 17th? If so PM me.

Baja.

Anybody with a plane nose diving into their anus could get hurt. What's that got to do with the FFDO program?

I certainly would start shooting if there was a plane diving into my anus!:D

Does anyone know if there will be funding for 2013 classes?

The program is fully funded.

The program is fully funded.
That's about as credible as when the chief pilot says, "We are fully staffed."

Roughly 70% of our losses on Iwo Jima were guys shooting their fellow soldiers during nightmares. The other 30% were from cholera.

:confused:

Sorry Boomer I am a little sensitive about this one, had a great Uncle there who was blown up by something the Japanese lobbed his way, could not find enough of him to bring back.

Sorry Boomer I am a little sensitive about this one, had a great Uncle there who was blown up by something the Japanese lobbed his way, could not find enough of him to bring back.

Sorry about your uncle, Rudder. I had recently seen the NCIS episode with Charles Durning so Iwo Jima was on the tip of my tongue.

I guess I could have said Antietam or Valley Forge. The point I was trying to make was that our soldiers sleep next to guns and don't wake up killing the guys around them.

Oh crud - I just googled him to make sure I was spelling Durning correctly, and found out he died this week. He was one of the few Hollywood guys I looked up to. Age 89, Silver Star, Bronze Star, three Purple Hearts. Wounded in Normandy and during the Bulge.

Gun in the flight deck.. what could go wrong with putting a gun on an airplane... what if they get a hold of the gun somehow? What about this kind of situation?
Federal Express Flight 705 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Express_Flight_705)

Gun in the flight deck.. what could go wrong with putting a gun on an airplane... what if they get a hold of the gun somehow? What about this kind of situation?
Federal Express Flight 705 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Express_Flight_705)

Are you as afraid of guns as you are of boogy man in the closet?

Anybody gone back to being an FFDO after a furlough? Do you start all over again and get in line or is there an expedited process?

Anybody gone back to being an FFDO after a furlough? Do you start all over again and get in line or is there an expedited process?

For me it was an expedited process. Send an email out and tell them your situation and they should be able to get you set back up.

Gun in the flight deck.. what could go wrong with putting a gun on an airplane... what if they get a hold of the gun somehow? What about this kind of situation?
Federal Express Flight 705 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Express_Flight_705)

Once again a perfect example of total and complete ignorance mixed with a healthy dose of hoplophobia.

....blah bla blah..... with a healthy dose of hoplophobia.

Is that a fear of bitter beers?:D

Gun in the flight deck.. what could go wrong with putting a gun on an airplane... what if they get a hold of the gun somehow? What about this kind of situation?
Federal Express Flight 705 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Express_Flight_705)

What if one had been a FFDO and shot and killed Aurburn Callaway and saved the tax payers a lot of money. These 3 heroic men never allowed the Ahole to get command of the situation even after being horrifically wounded.

Is that a fear of bitter beers?:D

Actually it's an irrational fear of weapons and the belief that weapons are capable self animation and action without the intervention and use by humans. It is most often associated with retarded sexual development in those who suffer from it.

Sorry Boomer I am a little sensitive about this one, had a great Uncle there who was blown up by something the Japanese lobbed his way, could not find enough of him to bring back.
Hey Boomer...Happy New Year! Be well....H

Great, more gun toters. Guys at my airline have trouble staying awake. That age 65 thing.



For starters.

Did you not read about the Canadian who put his plane into a nose dive after waking up and thinking Uranus was a plane. He injured people in the back.

Flying west coast to east coast 20% of the guys I fly with nod off. One of the last guys was out at the 30 minute mark on a 5.5 hour flight.

The last thing I need is some cowboy gun toter waking up from a nightmare thinking one of his four ex wives is trying to kill him.

S h i t, we had a guy put one in the side of an airplane.

Nope, makes sense to me....On second thought, why don't we just get rid of pilots in the cockpit, just incase Uranus comes out again?...

The odds are far far greater we will be killed by some jackass on a roadway tailgating, speeding, cutting us off or driving drunk/drugged!

I have serious doubts about the true capabilities of most FFDO’s from my past experiences with them and knowing the inner workings of the program.

Not sure how the FFDO selection process is now but back in the early days, they took quite a few rejects from the law enforcement community (I knew 4 personally) that I would not trust with a squirt gun. They crowed about how they milked the system, rode in first class, ready to file a worker’s comp claim at the drop of a dime, did not have to do a damn thing. Their only complaint was they had to spend their days off at times away from their actual homes.

It was a fact that the four I knew could never be hired back by any legit law enforcement agency due to their being terminated and/or force retired. As I said, the FFDO was pretty much a joke in the early days within the law enforcement community. The caliber of people may have improved a lot but knowing the Federal Government, I doubt it!

Sorry as my last posting was aimed at the Federal Flight Marshals and not the FFDO's!

Though, I still have major reservations about this whole process. Just my two cents.

2013 has a decent amount of class dates!

Where did you see that?

Anyone from the accelerated September classes issued anything yet?

Anyone from the accelerated September classes issued anything yet?

Negative

Filler

Where did you see that?

Got in touch with FAMS to reschedule since I couldn't make the Oct. class.

Got in touch with FAMS to reschedule since I couldn't make the Oct. class.

Did they mention when the window would open once again?

I didn't ask but iirc they have a pool of applicants.