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Cockpit View Of Idaho Plane Crash *Video (http://www.break.com/index/cockpit-view-of-idaho-plane-crash-2356527)

He still did a better job then shuttle america crash in CLE, at least he asked if everyone was ok

I don't think that was the pilot who said that - he looked a little beaten up.

Now I only watched once, but this is what I remember ...

It won't lift off, settles, finally gets off into ground effect but won't climb out of it.

Ham-handing out of ground effect doesn't work either. Hmmm.

Plenty of places to set down, but no, lets hold it here a little while and see if we can climb. (He tried ham-handing it a couple of times more, I think).

Hmmm, still no climb - and here is a stand of trees. I'll just start a turn back.

Oh, yeah, I'm really low with no reserve performance. BANG.

I just can't believe (actually, I can :rolleyes:) just how many safe landing areas (plus a really long runway) he overflew with a known performance problem.

Methinks he got away with this before. This day he was just a bit heavier and/or it was a bit hotter.

Had this been me, heaven forbid, I would have staggered back to the wreck, drained some fuel, lit it off, and tossed both of those cameras into the flames. Along with my license. :eek:

Wow. What a moron pilot. Lucky to be alive.

6400' field elevation, late June in a Stinson with 4 adults... hmm

here's another 108 that came close to the same fate

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoiPpDeQ2mQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDu0jYiz-v8&feature=plcp

Hope the pilot and pax have a speedy recovery. Not going to comment about the pilots decision to continue the flight but maybe he learned something from this.

Quote from their youtube video - "Due to warming temperatures there was an increase in density altitude and we had a hard time getting adequate lift. After taking off we hit an air pocket that made us rapidly loose altitude, pushing us down into the trees." :eek:

And you thank idiots like this pilot for insurance prices. This video literally made me mad. What a jerk.

Scary moments...

Wow, that was bad. I may not have the rule quite right, but isn't it something like have 90% of your rotate speed by 50% of the field length?

The problem is his mixture was full-rich (visible around 0:15 in the video).

At that Density Altitude, I think the mixture should've been pulled out more than 2".

Well, the flight didn't go exactly as planned, but you have to admire their adherence to sterile cockpit. I think I would have been chatting up a storm - all words that can't be posted here.....

The problem is his mixture was full-rich (visible around 0:15 in the video).

At that Density Altitude, I think the mixture should've been pulled out more than 2".

I saw this too, but wasn't sure if he adjusted it. Wonder if it would have made any difference.

Flaps to one notch?

Rejecting after that really long, long take-off roll?

PPPPP.

This guy deserves lots of criticism, but give him credit for one thing: He kept the plane flying. Most of these accidents end in a stall and/or spin close to the ground, and are usually fatal. The fact that the plane was under control right up until it hit the trees is probably what saved their lives.

This guy deserves lots of criticism, but give him credit for one thing: He kept the plane flying. Most of these accidents end in a stall and/or spin close to the ground, and are usually fatal. The fact that the plane was under control right up until it hit the trees is probably what saved their lives.

Random chance is what saved their lives once they were going for the trees. Yes, he could have made it worse by attempting to turn, but consider a hot-running engine during a crash, pour some fuel on there and it ignites and people die fast as the avgas explodes. What if they did die, would we still say the same thing? I think it was just random chance at that point, so much had already gone wrong. Despite what I just said, "flying all the way down" is obviously critical.