Position: Piston/Turbine Props....not just for boats!
Posts: 2,398
There's plenty of threads about it on here. What exactly do you need to know? I flew unscheduled 135 for over a year and a half(2000hrs), so hopefully I can help you out a little.
Pilots must have 10hrs of rest within the previous 24hrs, so essentially the "duty" day is 14hrs
Also there's the 8hrs of flight in a 24hr period. I always interpreted this as a rolling 24hrs to cover my rear.
Now, the kicker is you do a live leg of say 6hrs, and you're 4-6hrs from home, you can elect to fly home at that time, because it's Part 91. The next day at the end of your rest you get a 3hr trip, can you fly it?
__________________
Come to KMIE and eat at Kacy J's(PM me for hours)
There's plenty of threads about it on here. What exactly do you need to know? I flew unscheduled 135 for over a year and a half(2000hrs), so hopefully I can help you out a little.
Pilots must have 10hrs of rest within the previous 24hrs, so essentially the "duty" day is 14hrs
Also there's the 8hrs of flight in a 24hr period. I always interpreted this as a rolling 24hrs to cover my rear.
Now, the kicker is you do a live leg of say 6hrs, and you're 4-6hrs from home, you can elect to fly home at that time, because it's Part 91. The next day at the end of your rest you get a 3hr trip, can you fly it?
I would answer YES; since the 4-6hrs home is Part 91; so it doesn't apply to 135.267 next day after the required consecutive 10hr rest, and it's also a seperated assignment, not as one. Correct me if I m wrong, please.
I m also working on the 135.265 scheduled; 2 areas I have trouble understanding are (b) & (d).
"10hrs consec. rest for more than 8hr but less then 9hrs scheduled "flight time."
Could I accept schedule flight time more than 8hrs?
About reduced rest: can u give me an example in scenario?
Thank you so much for helping me; i m preparing for interview.
Last edited by pilotinsky : 01-30-2009 at 06:36 AM.
Reason: unnecessary info
In calculating whether or not you are legal with respect to 8 in 24, for a 135 leg, you must include all of your commercial flight time, not just your 135 flight time. Part 91 time is commercial if it's your job, or if you get paid or should be getting paid for it. If you are flying your bosses airplane, it is assumed that it is your job.
If you chose to go up in your very own Pitts Special and do some aerobatics for fun, this would not be commercial and would not count against the Part 135 8 in 24 limit.
Military flight time, such as Air Force reserve or ANG also does not count as commercial flight time.
Position: Piston/Turbine Props....not just for boats!
Posts: 2,398
Quote:
Originally Posted by pilotinsky
I would answer YES; since the 4-6hrs home is Part 91; so it doesn't apply to 135.267 next day after the required consecutive 10hr rest, and it's also a seperated assignment, not as one. Correct me if I m wrong, please.
I m also working on the 135.265 scheduled; 2 areas I have trouble understanding are (b) & (d).
"10hrs consec. rest for more than 8hr but less then 9hrs scheduled "flight time."
Could I accept schedule flight time more than 8hrs?
About reduced rest: can u give me an example in scenario?
Thank you so much for helping me; i m preparing for interview w/Cape Air and I really like make sure I can cover the 135 as I didn't have 135 exp. (CFI-willing to learn background)
Answer is NO, even thought it's a Part 91 leg, it is a return leg and you are still being paid to bring that aircraft in position or yourself home, so it does count against your 8 in 24(consecutive hours) as per Part 135.267 (B)(1)
So I read the whole paragraph, and I'll say my previous statement seems valid. In subpart (A)(4) 8 for one pilot in any 24 consecutive hours, or (5) 8 for 2 pilots between required rest periods.
So I'd say No, you cannot accept more than 8 hrs of flight time per given rest period(and of course how you fly the 8 is whether you're single or two crewed)
If you hit 8hrs up to 9, you have to get 10hrs of rest. This as I mentioned above is for unforeseen circumstances only that your flight times were longer than predicted.
Now usually the calculated flight times aren't the problem, it's usually your duty day that becomes an issue for at least the unscheduled guys. Your freight/pax are late, weather holds you on the ground longer, etc.. If you're going to knowingly fly out of your duty period, that's a big no-no! Flying over 8 is harder to do, because the planning software etc.. today is good enough to hit times within .1 over a whole night(at least for my profiles).
I don't have any experience with reduced rest operations, I'm going to defer that one to someone who has.
__________________
Come to KMIE and eat at Kacy J's(PM me for hours)
Answer is NO, even thought it's a Part 91 leg, it is a return leg and you are still being paid to bring that aircraft in position or yourself home, so it does count against your 8 in 24(consecutive hours) as per Part 135.267 (B)(1)
So I read the whole paragraph, and I'll say my previous statement seems valid. In subpart (A)(4) 8 for one pilot in any 24 consecutive hours, or (5) 8 for 2 pilots between required rest periods.
So I'd say No, you cannot accept more than 8 hrs of flight time per given rest period(and of course how you fly the 8 is whether you're single or two crewed)
If you hit 8hrs up to 9, you have to get 10hrs of rest. This as I mentioned above is for unforeseen circumstances only that your flight times were longer than predicted.
Now usually the calculated flight times aren't the problem, it's usually your duty day that becomes an issue for at least the unscheduled guys. Your freight/pax are late, weather holds you on the ground longer, etc.. If you're going to knowingly fly out of your duty period, that's a big no-no! Flying over 8 is harder to do, because the planning software etc.. today is good enough to hit times within .1 over a whole night(at least for my profiles).
I don't have any experience with reduced rest operations, I'm going to defer that one to someone who has.
If that last 91 leg home is not included in duty assigment of the day; it's volunteer (without paid); in other word, the company didn't ask me to fly home for repoistioning. Would the answer be yes?
If that last 91 leg home is not included in duty assigment of the day; it's volunteer (without paid); in other word, the company didn't ask me to fly home for repoistioning. Would the answer be yes?
I'd rather be stuck somewhere than get into a situation where "I can get home if I repo for free".
It's actually pretty simple, the company will always tell you that you've had a legal rest and should move the airplane whenever they say.
Then they realize that the've made a mistake, forgot to carry a 2, didn't realize that the plane couldn't exceed the speed of sound, etc. And, they self report YOU to the FARs for illegally accepting the assignment.
__________________
The will to be stupid is a very powerful force, but there are always alternatives. (LMB)
It's actually pretty simple, the company will always tell you that you've had a legal rest and should move the airplane whenever they say.
Then they realize that the've made a mistake, forgot to carry a 2, didn't realize that the plane couldn't exceed the speed of sound, etc. And, they self report YOU to the FARs for illegally accepting the assignment.
Position: Piston/Turbine Props....not just for boats!
Posts: 2,398
Quote:
Originally Posted by pilotinsky
If that last 91 leg home is not included in duty assigment of the day; it's volunteer (without paid); in other word, the company didn't ask me to fly home for repoistioning. Would the answer be yes?
Then you're nuts for qualifying it that way. As I mentioned before, CYA, that's the most important. It isn't free for you to move that plane, it's paid as part of what you do. DO NOT DO IT FOR FREE and not count that time against your Commercial time!!!
__________________
Come to KMIE and eat at Kacy J's(PM me for hours)
Similar Threads
135 Flight/Rest Time explaination
Linear Mode
