atpwannabe;682484]...while going through the process and thereafter, he or she shouldn't have a problem with being certified. However, the issue isn't dead. When this person goes to apply for a job, they will have to re-live this over and over again just as it was stated in a previous post.
America loves to give second chances. It seems to be something in our psyche. On the other hand - when competition comes into play - those chances for a second try get harder and harder to give when people with **clean** records are also in line. The only difference between a clean record and a dirty record might be who got caught and who didn't - and that is something to remember when a person decides to roll the dice - in whatever manner.
I'd guess that about 50% of civilian aviators have smoked pot at one point in life, the vast majority at a young age before they became involved in aviation.
Military guys...maybe 40%? Back in the day, if you self-reported pre-military pot use it was not held against you in any way...except that you could not be the CMS custodian! All of us dope smokers thought it was pretty funny when our unit's one wholier-than-thou junior officer became the comms officer by default after they disqualified the rest of us. His virtue was rewarded with the crappy job that nobody else wanted anyway...
Military guys...maybe 40%? Back in the day, if you self-reported pre-military pot use it was not held against you in any way...except that you could not be the CMS custodian!
Sorry Rickair - maybe this was true in the military of the 60s and 70s. I can't say for sure because I haven't walked my spaces asking the question so I'll have to go with my gut.......40% of my peers HAVE NOT used illegal drugs.
America loves to give second chances. It seems to be something in our psyche. On the other hand - when competition comes into play - those chances for a second try get harder and harder to give when people with **clean** records are also in line. The only difference between a clean record and a dirty record might be who got caught and who didn't - and that is something to remember when a person decides to roll the dice - in whatever manner.
USMCFLYR
We do like to give second chances, but just like you said....when it comes to competition, things change....and that's ok. That's just the way it is.
I follow the logic in that the **clean** record person may have no issues that are visible at the surface and is therefore viewed as a "no risk" or "minimal risk" applicant and can get on with company business as oppose to someone having issues and thus requirng additional company resources to address those issues.
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I follow the logic in that the **clean** record person may have no issues that are visible at the surface and is therefore viewed as a "no risk" or "minimal risk" applicant and can get on with company business as oppose to someone having issues and thus requirng additional company resources to address those issues.
atp
I've always sorta thought that people with a "clean" record are kinda like church girls who still have their v-cards - who knows what can happen given the opportunity
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Sorry Rickair - maybe this was true in the military of the 60s and 70s. I can't say for sure because I haven't walked my spaces asking the question so I'll have to go with my gut.......40% of my peers HAVE NOT used illegal drugs.
USMCFLYR
I'm your age...maybe it's a navy thing?
I'm talking about tried it at least once, probably in junior high. Nobody I know does any of that while actually in the service. Well there is this one guy I used to wonder about, but he keeps passing the whiz quiz.
Sorry Rickair - maybe this was true in the military of the 60s and 70s. I can't say for sure because I haven't walked my spaces asking the question so I'll have to go with my gut.......40% of my peers HAVE NOT used illegal drugs.
USMCFLYR
I would guess those who are aviators and those attached to an aviation unit haven't used illegal drugs and that's a good thing. My experience was a little different with me being in the Army. These were your regular 11B & secondary MOS guys.
There were a few people in my unit (US Army) that smoked pot on a regular basis. The NCO who was in charge of our unit's drug testing would inform all his buddies as to when the test would be. Some would stop and drink plenty of water, vinegar and cranberry juice while others still swallowed Golden Seal tablets like chicklets!!!
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All things being equal, can you name an employer that would like to have to defend their crews after an accident knowing that someone in the cockpit had a record of drug use? All aviation employers that I have ever known would not want anything like this.
I believe that even those that think this was just some college kid trying weed would not like to be asked to defend it on TV or NTSB hearing after your company was involved in an accident.
BTW. If you get the record expunged it is only for the courts, so that should you be in the "wrong place at the wrong time" again it would not show as a prior conviction. This does not remove it from your NCIC record kept by the FBI. If it gets reported to them it is there forever.
I would guess those who are aviators and those attached to an aviation unit haven't used illegal drugs and that's a good thing. My experience was a little different with me being in the Army. These were your regular 11B & secondary MOS guys.
There were a few people in my unit (US Army) that smoked pot on a regular basis. The NCO who was in charge of our unit's drug testing would inform all his buddies as to when the test would be. Some would stop and drink plenty of water, vinegar and cranberry juice while others still swallowed Golden Seal tablets like chicklets!!!
...and others allowed this to go on, looked the other way, turned a blind eye, ignored the problem because it wasn't there concern?
Shameful.
...and others allowed this to go on, looked the other way, turned a blind eye, ignored the problem because it wasn't there concern?
Shameful.
USMCFLYR
I agree. Sad, shameful, but true. Kinda makes me angry too, because in a combat situation, I would have had to depend on these guys. This was back in 1992, just after GW-1.
atp
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