rickair7777

It is true that single conviction might not disqualify you, but they are likely to drag you through the wringer in the process of making that determination if you have a serious misdemeanor or felony.

Rebuilt

Interesting information. Thanks for the link.

Lab Rat

With regards to legalities, and I'm not a lawyer, it appears as if the term is subjective in nature. i.e., there is no clear-cut, black-and-white definition of what constitutes "good morale character" with regards to the ATP.

AirbusA320

I heard Sen. Wellstone's pilot had a felony conviction and he held an ATP.

Thedude

Perhaps you missed my point. I was commenting on the TSA and pulling tickets. Which is a direct violation of due process.

rickair7777

Ooops, I quoted the wrong post. I was talking about the one before yours.

There are a few national-security situations which override normal due process considerations. The usual circumstance involves the need to keep national intelligence means and sources classified. The defendant and his lawyer are probably not cleared to even know the details of where the info came from, and in most cases could not be trusted.

Of course this should be limited only to those cases in which there are actual classified sources at stake, and not be carte-blanche for government agencies to do whatever they like with no accountability.

In the case of TSA revoking certs with limited appeal, I don't agree with that. There should be an independent review body to at least take a second look, even if you cannot give the defendant all the details.

Ultimately piloting is a privilege, not a right, so our certs do not enjoy the same protections as our life, liberty, etc.

USMCFLYR

If flying "is my life" and provides me the "pursuit of happiness" then maybe IT IS a right! Hummmmm.......makes one think..........Hummmmm.

USMCFLYR

NoyGonnaDoIt

Even if it's not, "it's a privilege, not a right" is a bit of a platitude. "Due process" also means fair treatment. That something is a governmental license does not mean that there is no due process protection, just somewhat less and based on differing standards.

Besides, "pursuit of happiness" is not a constitutional right. It comes from that anti-government document written by revolutionaries based on the teachings of liberal radicals – the Declaration of Independence. Never made it way into the Constitution.

USMCFLYR

I think you may have missed the intended **humorous** side of the post. (still can't find those icons on this computer - hmmmm again)

USMCFLYR

NoyGonnaDoIt

And you think that the reference to "anti-government document written by revolutionaries based on the teachings of liberal radicals" wasn't? (although it is accurate)