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Originally Posted by rickt86
Ok BUT, say tomorrow my owner lets me fly the twin otter all day, I have a comm/multi, its under 12.5, if I can fly it, I am PIC, lets say the owner sits in the right seat all day, because the insurance company requires someone with over 100hrs in an otter hrs in the cockpit, but he does not fly once, I am the PIC and I can log it, NOW when I get over 100 hours of PIC in the otter with the owner in the right seat, then I can fly the otter alone....now I dont see what reg I broke...........
Now to take that further, what if the owner goes home and logs the time PIC as well, and never tells me, how am I suppose to know that, all I know is I only flew the plane all day he just ate food and read a book
Now lets take it further, since its 91 and with jumpers, say the owner has a CFI Multi, why cant it be duel instruction given, logged in both our booked as such?
For example when I started flying for this place, we farryed the plane alot. the 182, which required 25 in type for the insurance, which i did not have.........SO I would fly the farrys, and the other guy who was on the insurance would sit right seat to cover the insurance, but I would do all the flying and I got my 25 hours, no I was def PIC since I flew these legs,
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No, you were entitled to =log= PIC because you flew those legs. Whether you were in fact the pilot in command of the flight is a totally different question. If you "were" the pilot in charge of that flight, you probably violated the insurance contract and, if there was an accident, the insurance company would have been entitled to deny coverage. Don't confuse logging PIC time under 61.51(e) with being PIC as defined by FAR 1.1. That way lies madness (arguable the FAA's madness, but madness nonetheless :D ).
As Internet Pilot said, the legality of a flight doesn't have that much to do with the logging question. Neither does the insurance question.
In terms of =your= logging of PIC time in this scenario, we''re talking straight 61.51(e)(1)(iii) sole manipulator time (this is the rewritten version that goes into effect next Tuesday:
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61.51(e) (1) A sport, recreational, private, commercial, or airline transport pilot may log pilot in command flight time for flights-
(i) When the pilot is the sole manipulator of the controls of an aircraft for which the pilot is rated, or has sport pilot privileges for that category and class of aircraft, if the aircraft class rating is appropriate;
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You meet that and you log PIC time. Nothing else matters.
As for your friend,
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Now to take that further, what if the owner goes home and logs the time PIC as well, and never tells me, how am I suppose to know that, all I know is I only flew the plane all day he just ate food and read a book
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that's his problem. You won't find anything in 61.51 that allows him to log PIC time in your scenario (unless it is instruction) and if he wants to falsify his logbook, that's his perrogative and has nothing to do with you.
But to get back to the point. Separate legality of flight issues from logging issues. Mix the two together and you're bound to be confused.
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