Commitment to Stay
02-25-2013, 10:30 AM
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Commitment to Stay
Hi all,
A friend of mine who flies for a European airline was asking me if I had ever heard of something called "Commitment to Stay" in the United States regarding continuing a hold for the destination airport even when you go below minimum diversion fuel (but still staying above reserve fuel), and if there are any FAA regulations regarding the matter. I'm just a lowly PPL, so I thought I'd ask you guys.
Here's an explanation of Commitment to Stay:
I looked at the FARs (briefly) and couldn't find anything on the matter. Thanks!
A friend of mine who flies for a European airline was asking me if I had ever heard of something called "Commitment to Stay" in the United States regarding continuing a hold for the destination airport even when you go below minimum diversion fuel (but still staying above reserve fuel), and if there are any FAA regulations regarding the matter. I'm just a lowly PPL, so I thought I'd ask you guys.
Here's an explanation of Commitment to Stay:
Commitment to stay:
(1) In case of arriving at the destination airport and commencing an approach or a holding
pattern, if the fuel remaining is estimated to decrease below the minimum diversion fuel, at
the discretion of the commander a “Commitment to stay” decision may be taken. The
requirements for the commitment to stay are:
(a) the EAT (Expected Approach Time) should be received from ATC so that after landing
remaining fuel will not be less than the final reserve fuel,
(b) two separate (not intersecting) runways are available,
(c) the weather conditions at EAT (Expected Approach Time) will be at or above the
applicable minima for the intended approach,
(1) In case of arriving at the destination airport and commencing an approach or a holding
pattern, if the fuel remaining is estimated to decrease below the minimum diversion fuel, at
the discretion of the commander a “Commitment to stay” decision may be taken. The
requirements for the commitment to stay are:
(a) the EAT (Expected Approach Time) should be received from ATC so that after landing
remaining fuel will not be less than the final reserve fuel,
(b) two separate (not intersecting) runways are available,
(c) the weather conditions at EAT (Expected Approach Time) will be at or above the
applicable minima for the intended approach,
02-25-2013, 06:22 PM
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No, I don't think we have anything like that in the regs. In the US it would be PIC discretion, but essentially all of us would bug out at bingo fuel (ie proceed to the alternate.
Only exception in my mind might be if ATC articulated the reason for the delay, and the reason was such that there was zero chance of it running longer than planned (ex. airport ops doing FOD sweep of runway).
Only exception in my mind might be if ATC articulated the reason for the delay, and the reason was such that there was zero chance of it running longer than planned (ex. airport ops doing FOD sweep of runway).
02-26-2013, 05:25 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
No, I don't think we have anything like that in the regs. In the US it would be PIC discretion, but essentially all of us would bug out at bingo fuel (ie proceed to the alternate.
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